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I have one group chat that we’re forced to use WhatsApp and another group chat where we have to use Telegram.

All because one of the group chat members refuses to use an iPhone.

It’s really annoying with group text messaging without the use of one of those apps otherwise.

I wish we could just use iMessage.
There is nothing wrong imo with not wanting to buy an iPhone. Who wants planned obsolecence?
 
A particular point that is interesting to me as well is this. Some people use iPhones and iCloud but either switch iMessage off or never login to use it. Every message they send is SMS.

I'm no iMessage fanatic, but I do find that curious. Buying your mom an iPhone will never end green bubbles unless Apple goes scorched earth and forces every iPhone user to use only iMessage.
I'm one of those. One of very many. I had an iPhone from iP4 to iP8S and still retain the latter as a spare after switching to Android. Even when I used an iPhone as my primary phone I always used Whatsapp going back to the days before you had to pay to use it and way before Meta. I think I have sent one iMessage in my entire life and that was by accident. I just don't see the point of it. Those stupid animojis were the final turnoff for me.

I still see a lot of iPhones here, particularly at the gym. The UK phone market share isn't far behind that of the US when it comes to iPhones (51% vs 57%) but what I do see on every one of those is Whatsapp opened up. It does seem to be the primary app for everyone.
 
Planned obsolescence is literally not an iPhone thing. That's an Android thing. iPhones get 6-7 years of support. It's a perk of the iPhone. You can prefer Android all you want and that's fine. But that is definitely not one of the reasons.
I was just in another thread talking about the pros and cons of each platform. While I think there are fewer pros, in honesty, to an iPhone, the longevity of support is an absolutely massive and important one. 100% an iphone will last longer than any android (except maybe Fairphone? I think they have a pretty solid update schedule iirc)
 
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Planned obsolescence is literally not an iPhone thing. That's an Android thing. iPhones get 6-7 years of support. It's a perk of the iPhone. You can prefer Android all you want and that's fine. But that is definitely not one of the reasons.
I'd further argue that updates on iOS are in general less important stability-wise too. I did five years on iOS 9.0.2 on my 6s+ and had no problems. I wanted to keep my jailbreak. I updated because the phone was no longer my primary and because most of the JB tweaks had broken, not iOS.

On Android, updates seem to be needed more, at least from my experience.
 
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Planned obsolescence is literally not an iPhone thing. That's an Android thing. iPhones get 6-7 years of support. It's a perk of the iPhone. You can prefer Android all you want and that's fine. But that is definitely not one of the reasons.
what about the deliberate software slow-down of perfectly fine iPhones? Besides, on Android you can install a third party OS and never run out of support:p
 
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what about the deliberate software slow-down of perfectly fine iPhones? Besides, on Android you can install a third party OS and never run out of support:p
I have an iPhone 6s+. Got it launch weekend in 2015. It's going strong on iOS 15.7.8. It was only last year (2022) that it hit the wall on iOS updates.

Keeps doing everything I normally did with it and as far as I can tell hasn't slowed down. It has an active SIM and I use it on walks in the morning to stream much. Email, text, calls, I'm never out of touch.

My Pixel 3a XL? That's a 3+ year old phone. Guess which Android version it's stuck on?
 
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what about the deliberate software slow-down of perfectly fine iPhones? Besides, on Android you can install a third party OS and never run out of support:p
Having done both, I would still rather use a 4 year old iphone than an 18 month old android. And if you're installing third party OSs, not only are you part of an incredibly small portion of people, but you're also... still not getting support for the version your phone came with. Having to swap to some third party OS is not "continued support" it's a band-aid.
 
what about the deliberate software slow-down of perfectly fine iPhones? Besides, on Android you can install a third party OS and never run out of support:p
They've stopped doing that, but only after getting caught red-handed. Apple isn't perfect, but I have very old iPhones that run perfectly.

As for third-party operating systems on Android, that is certainly a fun aspect of them. My first smartphone was an Android and when I stopped getting updates, I ran custom ROMs on that thing until it literally died and wouldn't turn on anymore.


I'd further argue that updates on iOS are in general less important stability-wise too. I did five years on iOS 9.0.2 on my 6s+ and had no problems. I wanted to keep my jailbreak. I updated because the phone was no longer my primary and because most of the JB tweaks had broken, not iOS.
Stability-wise, not really. iPhones are very stable. Feature-wise? Yes.


On Android, updates seem to be needed more, at least from my experience.
On top of that, every app can receive its own update outside of big operating system updates on iOS, which to me is a massive advantage. Apple really needs to start doing that.
 
They've stopped doing that, but only after getting caught red-handed. Apple isn't perfect, but I have very old iPhones that run perfectly.

As for third-party operating systems on Android, that is certainly a fun aspect of them. My first smartphone was an Android and when I stopped getting updates, I ran custom ROMs on that thing until it literally died and wouldn't turn on anymore.



Stability-wise, not really. iPhones are very stable. Feature-wise? Yes.



On top of that, every app can receive its own update outside of big operating system updates on iOS, which to me is a massive advantage. Apple really needs to start doing that.
There are advantages and disadvantages to every OS. IMO Android is more fun because i can look at the code and can run custom ROMs. On the other hand, ios is more stable, though oddly i havent had a single issue with Android in 5 years...
 
Stability-wise, not really. iPhones are very stable. Feature-wise? Yes.
That's actually what I meant. I was able to stay on iOS 9.0.2 because it was stable. And it would have continued to stay stable, but I updated because non-Apple stuff broke over those five years - not iOS.

But feature-wise, yes. You gotta update if you want new features on iOS.
 
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There are advantages and disadvantages to every OS. IMO Android is more fun because i can look at the code and can run custom ROMs. On the other hand, ios is more stable, though oddly i havent had a single issue with Android in 5 years...
That's a perfectly reasonable reason to prefer android. Do understand, though, that the vast, vast majority of people are not loading custom ROMs onto their device.
 
There are advantages and disadvantages to every OS. IMO Android is more fun because i can look at the code and can run custom ROMs. On the other hand, ios is more stable, though oddly i havent had a single issue with Android in 5 years...
Yes, that is a very fun aspect of Android. But I just want my phone to work these days. There's too much fiddling around with Android to get it the way I want. I do love Samsung phones, though.
 
There are advantages and disadvantages to every OS. IMO Android is more fun because i can look at the code and can run custom ROMs. On the other hand, ios is more stable, though oddly i havent had a single issue with Android in 5 years...
There was a time when iOS was fun with a jailbreak. :)

I had dark mode, call blocking, do not disturb, pictures in contacts, texts and emails, colored email inboxes, live weather on my lockscreen, widgets on my lock and homescreen, the ability to put any icon where I wanted it on the homescreen (and however many rows/columns I wanted (in folders too). On and on…

Then JB devs started leaving and things broke slowly over time…
 
Yes, that is a very fun aspect of Android. But I just want my phone to work these days. There's too much fiddling around with Android to get it the way I want. I do love Samsung phones, though.
I am using a Samsung Tab S2, from 2016. Still going strong, never had any issues. Its been dropped, sprayed water on, never skipped a beat. Samsung is BOSS
 
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