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[Guide] Success! Install 10.8 on old unsupported Mac
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Hi guys, newbie here so please forgive me for my stupidity.
Could someone please tell me the difference between the 32 bit and 64 bit installers referred to in this thread? Are you talking about ML installer or MLPF installer being 32/64 bit?
If I use this method will the version of ML installed on my 2006 Mac Pro be 32 bit or 64 bit?
I am just confused as I thought ML was always 64 bit
Thanks in advance
Hi guys, newbie here so please forgive me for my stupidity.
Could someone please tell me the difference between the 32 bit and 64 bit installers referred to in this thread? Are you talking about ML installer or MLPF installer being 32/64 bit?
If I use this method will the version of ML installed on my 2006 Mac Pro be 32 bit or 64 bit?
I am just confused as I thought ML was always 64 bit
Thanks in advance
Firstly I would like to state at the onset that I applaud anyone/everyone who has contributed and put forth there knowledge, time, and efforts into developing this project. Without any doubt whatsoever, there is most certainly a need for something like this and I commend those who have made this a reality. With that said, I think it important to put in perspective the present state of what this will actually accomplish for those attempting to install/use this on there unsupported Mac. And while admittedly I my perspective is limited to my own personal experience, I believe it important to mention that this method should not be used as one's exclusive operating system. Case in point: the very moment I installed little snitch 3.1 (and I mean the VERY moment) my 10.8.3 system using this method completely broke and became instantly unusable. That fact alone was enough for me to determine that for now on my wife's 2.0 GHz iMac (ATI Radeon x1600 graphics) OS X 10.7.5 will have to do.
For those with an unsupported Mac Pro, I can attest that there is a method out there that is full proof (google 10.8 Mac Pro 1,1). It is not as "user friendly" in simplicity as ML Post Factor though the method is accomplished with the boot loader and Operating system on separate boot drives. This allows for both a separate MBR partition for the boot loader and a GUID partition needed to install OS X operating system.
Just for kicks, yesterday I was briefly able to get OS X 10.8.3 booted on the previously mentioned iMac while partitioning the internal drive to two (2) separate MBR drives and installing Chameleon 2.1svn-r1921 on a BOOT partition and then cloning a base system OS X 10.8.3 over to the other large partition. I then edited both the smbios.plist and org.chameleon.Boot.plist files with the needed iMac spec information (I also created a dsdt.aml file with DSDT Editor from the earlier mentioned MLPostFactor install...I did it BEFORE the little snitch crash) and formulated an "Extra" folder which I placed in the Chameleon root, "blessed" the Chameleon BOOT partition with the following command in terminal (sudo bless --folder /Volumes/BOOT --file /Volumes/BOOT/boot --setBoot --legacy). At first I was getting the following error message during the Chameleon boot: Memory allocation error: addr=0x0, size=0x8002770, file=device_inject.c, line=246
This is a nonrecoverable error! System halted! I then changed the "Graphics Enabler" string from "Yes" to "No" and surprisingly, OS X 10.8.3 booted fine though the graphics where all out of whack. I tried copying over and installing the appropriate ATI/Apple graphic kexts from OS X 10.7.5 that were missing in OS X 10.8.3 with kext wizard but it did not make a difference. Unfortunately thinking that it might help, I tried resetting the PRAM and afterward I could no longer obtain a boot. After repeatedly getting the grey circle with the slash through it (no smoking sign minus the cigarette), I waved the proverbial white flag and put it to rest for now.
If I happen to succeed I will post my results or if anyone has any suggestions that might assist my attempt further please do let me know. The inherent problem as I see and have experienced is obtaining both a stable boot loader and operating system while containing them on the same hard drive which has to be the method on all unsupported Macs with the exception of course being the Mac Pro. My Mac Pro 2,1 (formerly 1,1) with upgraded Intel Xeon x5355's giving it eight cores, 16 GB's of RAM and a genuine (Not Flashed) Apple ATI 5770 graphics card boots, performs ALL apple system updates, all while running OS X 10.8.3 flawlessly.
For those with an unsupported Mac Pro, I can attest that there is a method out there that is full proof (google 10.8 Mac Pro 1,1). It is not as "user friendly" in simplicity as ML Post Factor though the method is accomplished with the boot loader and Operating system on separate boot drives. This allows for both a separate MBR partition for the boot loader and a GUID partition needed to install OS X operating system.
Just for kicks, yesterday I was briefly able to get OS X 10.8.3 booted on the previously mentioned iMac while partitioning the internal drive to two (2) separate MBR drives and installing Chameleon 2.1svn-r1921 on a BOOT partition and then cloning a base system OS X 10.8.3 over to the other large partition. I then edited both the smbios.plist and org.chameleon.Boot.plist files with the needed iMac spec information (I also created a dsdt.aml file with DSDT Editor from the earlier mentioned MLPostFactor install...I did it BEFORE the little snitch crash) and formulated an "Extra" folder which I placed in the Chameleon root, "blessed" the Chameleon BOOT partition with the following command in terminal (sudo bless --folder /Volumes/BOOT --file /Volumes/BOOT/boot --setBoot --legacy). At first I was getting the following error message during the Chameleon boot: Memory allocation error: addr=0x0, size=0x8002770, file=device_inject.c, line=246
This is a nonrecoverable error! System halted! I then changed the "Graphics Enabler" string from "Yes" to "No" and surprisingly, OS X 10.8.3 booted fine though the graphics where all out of whack. I tried copying over and installing the appropriate ATI/Apple graphic kexts from OS X 10.7.5 that were missing in OS X 10.8.3 with kext wizard but it did not make a difference. Unfortunately thinking that it might help, I tried resetting the PRAM and afterward I could no longer obtain a boot. After repeatedly getting the grey circle with the slash through it (no smoking sign minus the cigarette), I waved the proverbial white flag and put it to rest for now.
If I happen to succeed I will post my results or if anyone has any suggestions that might assist my attempt further please do let me know. The inherent problem as I see and have experienced is obtaining both a stable boot loader and operating system while containing them on the same hard drive which has to be the method on all unsupported Macs with the exception of course being the Mac Pro. My Mac Pro 2,1 (formerly 1,1) with upgraded Intel Xeon x5355's giving it eight cores, 16 GB's of RAM and a genuine (Not Flashed) Apple ATI 5770 graphics card boots, performs ALL apple system updates, all while running OS X 10.8.3 flawlessly.
I think it more inportant to have a back up. I have two clones, have had for quite some time. 10.8 hacked has been my 'production' system since it was released by Wayne.
If I get a problem I boot from the clone, crisis over.
A bricked system can happen even on an offical system with an official update but a clone hugely mitigates the damage.
I've already made this question and searched the thread again but couldn't find the solution so here i am again...can somebody tell me how to make messages work,it's the only thing that's not working for me...
also i'm using 10.8.3 for over 1,5 month now and i'm completely satisfied with how it's working and as my mac has a small hd could i erase the lion partition,i'm sure i'll never return to lion again so i don't see the point in keeping it ... thank you
1) If you have just MLPF (v. 0.2.2) to install Mountain Lion iMessage (etc.) really should work. Else something went horribly wrong.
(If your using the 64bit version installed via the original guide there is currently no fix - if it works out of the box, it works - if not, not)
2) If you're fine with your Mountain Lion Installation and really want to get rid of Lion the best way to go is to reinstall using your install drive. When booted you can erase your HD and install !!!you will loose all your data!!!. After installing you can restore a backup or set up a new system and only restore private files.
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Thanks, but I think right now I found any guide available and still ran into problems, but know I found the problem. Even when booted using clover the system is not capable of running the nvram command (may be due to the fact that I still use the hacked boot efi) and without this command clover is not capable to write to the ~/nvram.plist (which is still empty) so there is no chance for iMessage to work.
as soon as possible I'll try to install and boot WITHOUT ANY modification using clover to see what I can do about this. Else I'll create the nvram plist on an offically supported mac to see wether it helps.
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Mountain Lion (as provided by apple; 64bit only) is not capable of running on old macs, as there are no 64 drivers for the "old" hardware.
There are 2 solutions: enabling the old macs to support 64bit or transform Mountain Lion to boot in 32bit mode.
As 32 bit requieres more hacking there are more issues, too, but this is the only method currently being supported by MLPF (what will change with the next release). If you have the know-how and find the files needed/extract them from MLPF you probably can go with the 64bit version. BUT! Be sure that your graphic-card works in 64bit OS X.
--> this means the easy way is to go with the 32bit Version, or wait for the release of the next version, although it's not for sure that it will work with your graphic-card.
I wholeheartedly agree...hence my being able to return my wife's iMac back to a fully installed OS X 10.7.5 system in one fell swoop. The real crux of the matter and the point I am trying to make is that the inability to have both an MBR and a GUID partition on the same hard drive at this juncture will always result in a very unstable system that easily broken by a full assortment of possibilities. If someone created a boot loader that will boot from a GUID partition with both assured stability and reliability that would be a real "game changer" as they say.
What your doing is actually quiet similar to what I'm trying to achieve.
Instead of Chameleon I'm using Clover which seem's to me the better option. Booting the system actually does not require anything to be changed but "dressing" the Mac to mime a Mac model which is actually supported.
For the graphics you still need to install 10.7 kext and using the frameworks hackerwayne and MLforAll provide with MLPF. Additionally there is no need for MBR and no need to emulate the legacy mode, which is a pretty slow thing.
Although I ran into some problems this way (see my last post) I think I'm pretty close now. (Don't expect to much - there's quiet a bit left to provide a consumer friendly method; if this is even possible at all, as you might need a valid mac serial number which I won't provide, of course).
On topic
Maybe I'm just narrow-minded, but there seems to be a lot of hackintosh discussion in this MAC thread.
Maybe I'm just narrow-minded, but there seems to be a lot of hackintosh discussion in this MAC thread.
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"Maybe I'm just narrow-minded, but there seems to be a lot of hackintosh discussion in this MAC thread."
The true irony of this statement is that I had VERY little difficulty at all installing OS X 10.6.8 on a little HP Compaq notebook and the set-up is close to 99% vanilla with absolutely EVERYTHING working save wireless (a $3 mini wireless adapter with Snow Leopard drivers solved that issue without breaking a sweat)
"if this is even possible at all, as you might need a valid mac serial number which I won't provide, of course"
...I am not quite certain what you are referring to "valid mac serial number" wise
The true irony of this statement is that I had VERY little difficulty at all installing OS X 10.6.8 on a little HP Compaq notebook and the set-up is close to 99% vanilla with absolutely EVERYTHING working save wireless (a $3 mini wireless adapter with Snow Leopard drivers solved that issue without breaking a sweat)
"if this is even possible at all, as you might need a valid mac serial number which I won't provide, of course"
...I am not quite certain what you are referring to "valid mac serial number" wise
Yeah, VLC does work properly. Its just Quicktime, iTunes, and anything else that uses the Quicktime playback engine like the Instacast beta that flicker/pulse.
On topic
so how does this help me get 10.8xx working on my 2007 MacBook? I don't care about your compaq, we're talking MACS here.
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Can I ask you why you want guid and mbr in the same drive
I have a hackintosh with runs windows and osc in a guid partion and other one with mbr runs also osx and window....
For the second one i installed osx in a guid usb disk then restoredto my laptop wirh carbon copy cloner
It told me i could not restore to mbr you ignore and go ahead and place bootloader after
In my case chameleon if you have a real mach clover
Job is done
Since no one answered me I'll ask again. That is... if anyone actually got it working on their Macbook. Lion is really slow for me on my black Macbook and I'm considering going back to Snow Leopard if Mountain Lion offers even worse performance.
I cannot really relpy 2 u as I have a hackintosh but for my personal experience lion is still a bit better than Mlion in one of my laptops
On the other as is fully compatible with Mlion I would rate both os as same it depends if you want icluod and imessasge
Why is lion slow for you???
What are you specs???
My fujitsu almost indentical in specs as macbook early 2008
ML speed
I've been using ML since September on my MacBooks and have found it to be fast and responsive. One of my computers has GMA 950 graphics, the other has GMA 3100 graphics.
I've been using ML since September on my MacBooks and have found it to be fast and responsive. One of my computers has GMA 950 graphics, the other has GMA 3100 graphics.
I've got it running on my '08 Black MB. Been stable for several weeks now, though it suffers from the standard woes (no mDNS name resolution, flickering video). I've been waiting for 0.3, rather than move files around myself, as this isn't terribly critical the only thing I really miss is my network-based Time Machine backup to my Mac Mini's Drobo.
Confused
Mac Pro 1.1 (upgraded & flashed to 2.1), 10.8.3 MLPF here with "About this Mac.." saying 12 GB RAM, as it is physically.
You're running 32-bit MLPF, that note is for 64-bit upcoming version.
Im extremely busy with work these few days. I've passed some stuffs to MLForAll, he might continue those work i did. I'll settle my work stuffs and will continue to deal with this.
1. And no more discussing about Hackintosh in this thread. Please go to other Hackintoshes forum for this. This is to keep the thread clean. I quite often missed out very important bugs report and questions because of these stuffs.
2. If possible, don't discuss anything other then MLPF 32-bit. You may post solutions, discuss about problems but not anything else.
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No more Hackintosh discussion please. This thread supports real Macs, and MLPF is recommended to run only on real Macs. You can discuss this on OSX86 or InsanelyMac.
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Its explained in Post #2.
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ok thanks wayne for answering me.
so according to your diagrams, the end result of installing either the 32bit or 64bit versions are the same. Which leads me to my next question:
What are the advantages of installing the 64bit version over the 32bit version?
so according to your diagrams, the end result of installing either the 32bit or 64bit versions are the same. Which leads me to my next question:
What are the advantages of installing the 64bit version over the 32bit version?
Umm.. ML is designed to run on 64-bit. MLPF 32 contains bugs because these kexts are from dp1 or Lion. But currently, MLPF64 contains more bugs then 32-bit counterpart due to system unable to communicate with NVRAM.
NVRAM on old Macs are 32-bit. The 64-bit kernel cannot talk to it. Results are no iMessage, FaceTime. iCloud can be done via Migration Assistant.
I see. Thanks for clearing that up. So why bother trying to do a 64bit version at all if the 32bit version works well?
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I have the Mountain Lion App (bought for a previous mac), dropped in Applications, i then restore InstallESD.dmg to a partition named install, then i run MLPostFactor but Im having absolutely no luck here, upon reboot I just get a circle with a line through it and it will just do a normal boot.
Any other recommendations?
Any other recommendations?
What? No. You don't need to restore InstallESD to Install. MLPF will do that for you. All you need to do is drop the app into Applications Folder and MLPF does the rest
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You can't update on 32-bit MLPF.
(Yes its official, we're disabling and blocking updates. 10.8.3 to 10.8.4 in the future will require a complete reinstall due to the amount of bugs after "updating")
Future 64-bit version will support update.
iSight problems is now fixed and will come with V0.3 together. (Thanks to MLForAll)
Im only seeing one file and four folders on the install partitions after erasing it and re running it
Only 363MBs used on install partition after running MLPostFactor, partition has 8GB limit so not sure why that's messing up
Only 363MBs used on install partition after running MLPostFactor, partition has 8GB limit so not sure why that's messing up
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