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M3 looks really amazing. Pretty wild that some reviews showed that it will be around as fast as the M1 pro in multicore!

Disappointed that the new 15" air model coming out won't be using it. Would be such a good machine. Might have to wait until 2024 to make that jump. The M2 was underwhelming and just a slightly overclocked M1 for the most part.
Thats his belief, not some geekbench measurements. We had no such article stating results.

 
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Can we also get the iconic glowing Apple logo back, please? I wish Apple had never eliminated it from the Mac's. 💻

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Only if you can turn it off!!!! Trying to use a mac in a quiet, dark room with other people trying to sleep in it, made two things from the past rather annoying: the glowing logo; the obligatory BONG on restart.
 
I wonder why the "odd" size of 36GB of RAM. We know that RAM tends to revolve around eights or sixteens and neither of those goes smoothly into 36. I would assume 8-16-24-32 (as we have seen) 40-48-56-64, etc. options vs. an oddball like 36GB.

This is not a complaint- just noticing that "one of these is not like the others" and wondering why. Is this basically 5K (monitor) vs. 4K (or 8K) because... well... it's Apple?
24GB is the odd one out there too, Darryl. Traditionally, it's always a power of 2. But there's no particular necessity for it, the biggest downfall of strange sizes is messing with one's CDO (OCD, but in correct alphabetical order). If they came out with 37GB, that would make a lot of people twitch.
 
Here's hoping for the long awaited baseline RAM bump. It's insane to me that such a capable chip as the M2 is paired with 8GB and that I had to pay through the nose for a mere 24GB.

I can still run out of memory if I spend a day in photoshop. It's not the CPU or GPU that sets the limit for my experience.
Same goes for 256GB base SSD quite frankly. The upgrade prices Apple Taxes I paid for 32GB/2TB gets my blood boiling.
 
I’m curious, does @leman, @ian87w or others know how this rumored 36G M3 Pro with 12 CPU cores / 18 GPU cores might stack up against a 32G M1 Max with 10 core CPU / 32 core GPU?

I’m just curious about informed speculation on whether if could possibly match, exceed or fall behind the M1 Max CPU / GPU performance with clock speeds, memory bandwidth, power and other factors considered.

Thoughts?
I’ll share mine.

If we assume that the cores have similar performance (which won’t probably be the case), then sure, it will have more CPU power but significantly less GPU raw power.

However, if they indeed improve the performance per core, especially in the GPU side, we could be seeing a far superior CPU with a similar GPU performance (or close), in a much more efficient enclosure, which makes sense for a jump in transistor size.
 
I find it kinda funny that Gurman's info basically is just

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...but he doesn't bother filling in all the other likely details:
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I have many questions about the rumoured memory configurations
 
Memory leaks is the number one issue I have with macOS. Even with 64 GB of memory after a day or so the memory is eaten up and virtual memory is in the GBs. It seems worse with Venture compared to my old Big Sur machine but I haven’t done any real world testing to verify.
 
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I’ve read the other comments but I’m still confused. How is it that some RAM modules are not powers of 2?

I know it’s been done by others in the past — iPhones with 3GB of RAM, nVidia GPU with 12GB VRAM, M2 with 24GB of RAM.

How? Or should I ask: Why?
 
I’m curious, does @leman, @ian87w or others know how this rumored 36G M3 Pro with 12 CPU cores / 18 GPU cores might stack up against a 32G M1 Max with 10 core CPU / 32 core GPU?

I’m just curious about informed speculation on whether if could possibly match, exceed or fall behind the M1 Max CPU / GPU performance with clock speeds, memory bandwidth, power and other factors considered.

Thoughts?

To start with, we don’t know the M3’s performance. Nor do we know if the M3 will derive from the A16, or the A17.

We do know the A16 is about 21% faster per core than the A14. The e-cores in the A15 were also a big improvement over the A14’s. OTOH, it will likely have just 6 p-cores vs. the M1 Max’s 8. So it’ll probably depend a lot on the kind of task.

For the GPU, the A16’s is 41% faster than the A14’s. That’s probably enough to compensate for the M1 Max’s 78% more cores.

This will be easier once the regular M3 comes out. If it’s A17-based, which is looking more and more likely by the month, all of those numbers will go further up.
 
Only 2 cores more?? for both the CPU and GPU?
The M3 should have been a 16 core chip.
Both Intel i9 and AMD 7000 series chips are already 16 core. Have been for a while.

My Guess is they will milk us Apple Boys for money to jump on the 3nm bandwagon.

Then release the M4. A 3nm chip with just more than 12 cores. 14 or 16.

They can't crank up the clock speed. That little 3nm chip will overheat and burn out . unlike 5nm.

Software Development is going to come to a crawl by the end of this year. No major changes in the new macOS 14.

Just bug fixes. And no new cutting edge hardware. just a shrink of the die to 3nm and 2 more CPU and GPU cores.
 
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Thank
I’ll share mine.

If we assume that the cores have similar performance (which won’t probably be the case), then sure, it will have more CPU power but significantly less GPU raw power.

However, if they indeed improve the performance per core, especially in the GPU side, we could be seeing a far superior CPU with a similar GPU performance (or close), in a much more efficient enclosure, which makes sense for a jump in transistor size.
Thank you @Populus 🙏🏽
 
To start with, we don’t know the M3’s performance. Nor do we know if the M3 will derive from the A16, or the A17.

We do know the A16 is about 21% faster per core than the A14. The e-cores in the A15 were also a big improvement over the A14’s. OTOH, it will likely have just 6 p-cores vs. the M1 Max’s 8. So it’ll probably depend a lot on the kind of task.

For the GPU, the A16’s is 41% faster than the A14’s. That’s probably enough to compensate for the M1 Max’s 78% more cores.

This will be easier once the regular M3 comes out. If it’s A17-based, which is looking more and more likely by the month, all of those numbers will go further up.
Thanks @chucker23n1. I know there are still many unknowns, but I’m intensely curious to see if the M3 might allow the rumored 15” Air to come close to the performance the M1 Max — hence the question. Thanks for sharing your perspective. 🙏🏽
 
I’m curious, does @leman, @ian87w or others know how this rumored 36G M3 Pro with 12 CPU cores / 18 GPU cores might stack up against a 32G M1 Max with 10 core CPU / 32 core GPU?

I’m just curious about informed speculation on whether if could possibly match, exceed or fall behind the M1 Max CPU / GPU performance with clock speeds, memory bandwidth, power and other factors considered.

Thoughts?
As @chucker23n1 said, there's a ton of unknowns, but I'd say the back-of-the-napkin is that an M3 w/ 18 GPUs should be similar to an M1 Max w/ 32 GPUs (though I think the M1 Max's memory bandwidth and core count would generally give it a slight lead). Given it being 2-3 generations newer and on a smaller process node, that wouldn't be to surprising.

For CPU performance, I would expect an M3 6:6 (p:e) cores to easily be faster than an M1 8:2 cores, in almost every task.
 
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Thanks @chucker23n1. I know there are still many unknowns, but I’m intensely curious to see if the M3 might allow the rumored 15” Air to come close to the performance the M1 Max — hence the question. Thanks for sharing your perspective. 🙏🏽
The 15" Air is a far more specific question that will get a different answer.

The thermal limits of the 15" Air will almost certainly mean that the better binned Mac Studio or MacBook Pro M1 Max will always be notably faster after a short amount of time.
 
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