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Has anybody received a truly silent nMP?
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This is very good to know.
You received a computer as advertised and that is very positive.
Thank you very much for sharing your info in this thread with all the readers and have a lot of pleasure and productive work with your nMP!
Thanks!
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This is very good to know.
You received a computer as advertised and that is very positive.
Thank you very much for sharing your info in this thread with all the readers and have a lot of pleasure and productive work with your nMP!
Thanks!
I got my 6-core D700 yesterday and it has the coil wine as well i think. I hear a rather high pitched but not very steady noise when i get close to it with my ears.
I'm 24 years old and i hear rather well.
How do you guys handle this situation? It's not really disturbing me, since i have to be pretty close to hear it, but nevertheless i want a perfect product, since i payed a lot of money. What would you do?
I'm 24 years old and i hear rather well.
How do you guys handle this situation? It's not really disturbing me, since i have to be pretty close to hear it, but nevertheless i want a perfect product, since i payed a lot of money. What would you do?
Indeed, this thread is insane.
I have had this coil-whine issue with the last 2-3 PCs (3-4 years) that i have had, all top of the line specs, sure its annoying but its a issue that most computer components can have, either PSU, Motherboard, GPU.
I had a motherboard that was making really high pitched coil whine during gaming, replaced it 2 times then i got a board that didnt make THAT high sound and i was happy with it.
If you go now and buy all components for a PC and build it together, i can seriously assure you that some component will have some sort of coil-whine low/high pitch sound under really high pressure, like 3dmark, pcmark, prime95 or some sort of test.
This issue will be really hard for Apple to solve completely for EVERYONE with a nMP.
Yes, i have ordered a 6-core, d700 nMP and i wont care if it has coil whine or not, i would be suprised if it doesnt. 98% of the time at the computer i have music on, either with headphones or speakers so i will never hear it.
Yes, you pay a lot of money for a nMP and if you got a really high pitched sound, surely you should replace it if you cant live with it but the next one might have the same or less whine, so you might waste a lot of time shipping machines
And if you got a machine with coil whine that you ONLY can hear if you put your EAR on top of the machine, is that a issue? will you be sitting like that during the time you use the nMP?
I have had this coil-whine issue with the last 2-3 PCs (3-4 years) that i have had, all top of the line specs, sure its annoying but its a issue that most computer components can have, either PSU, Motherboard, GPU.
I had a motherboard that was making really high pitched coil whine during gaming, replaced it 2 times then i got a board that didnt make THAT high sound and i was happy with it.
If you go now and buy all components for a PC and build it together, i can seriously assure you that some component will have some sort of coil-whine low/high pitch sound under really high pressure, like 3dmark, pcmark, prime95 or some sort of test.
This issue will be really hard for Apple to solve completely for EVERYONE with a nMP.
Yes, i have ordered a 6-core, d700 nMP and i wont care if it has coil whine or not, i would be suprised if it doesnt. 98% of the time at the computer i have music on, either with headphones or speakers so i will never hear it.
Yes, you pay a lot of money for a nMP and if you got a really high pitched sound, surely you should replace it if you cant live with it but the next one might have the same or less whine, so you might waste a lot of time shipping machines
And if you got a machine with coil whine that you ONLY can hear if you put your EAR on top of the machine, is that a issue? will you be sitting like that during the time you use the nMP?
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This is very good to know.
You received a computer as advertised and that is very positive.
Thank you very much for sharing your info in this thread with all the readers and have a lot of pleasure and productive work with your nMP!
Thanks!
Not sure if you're sarcastic or foreign...but anywho, no problem man. Apple has really delivered. I could understand if there was a really loud coil whine but people complaining about sounds that can only be heard when their ear is placed next to the machine in a dead silent room seems unreasonable.
It seems rather obvious that some systems have a louder "whine" than others.
I agree that if you have to try hard to hear it, you should probably ignore it.
Some systems, though, seem to have a much louder whine, that is troubling to the user at normal distances. Apple has "not delivered" to those people, and those systems should be replaced by Apple without any static.
I entirely agree with you
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Whoever wrote that this thread is "insane" (xlp) is either insane himself (no offense meant)...or deaf. I do not know what is worse...
Every thread dealing with an irrelevant or non existing problem disappears after a couple of days since nobody is concerned about it.
This thread has shown so far not only that people's sensitivity to sound is for every person and at every age different, a matter of fact not needing any thread about it in MacForums.
It also showed that as much as we have no reason to doubt what owners of nMP experience, some nMP do not keep the promise of Apple to deliver the quietest MP they ever built and (probably) the quietest desktop (with a fan inside) ever built.
However a certain number of users have obviously received a truly quiet computer. Good for them! and this proves that not all nMPs have problems. Good for Apple's quality tests!
The reasonable way to behave is not to put one's ear over the case or try to introduce a microphone inside (should that be possible...) but to check for noise heard at a normal working distance of the machine.
As long as no huge grown up gorilla operates such a computer, that distance will not be more than about 1 meter.
So, if the user at 1 meter from it (without the need of turn on his HiFi or have shouting children play in his working room to kill any possible computer noise) is still annoyed but clearly heard sounds coming from his nMP, then something is wrong with it.
After paying so much money, waiting so long until delivery(!) and reading so many positive comments about this unique computer, the only truly "insane" behavior would be to accept any annoying noise and resign, instead of getting in touch with the Apple technicians.
Whoever does not do it is a masochist and enjoys being annoyed. Should that be called "insanity"?
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Whoever wrote that this thread is "insane" (xlp) is either insane himself (no offense meant)...or deaf. I do not know what is worse...
Every thread dealing with an irrelevant or non existing problem disappears after a couple of days since nobody is concerned about it.
This thread has shown so far not only that people's sensitivity to sound is for every person and at every age different, a matter of fact not needing any thread about it in MacForums.
It also showed that as much as we have no reason to doubt what owners of nMP experience, some nMP do not keep the promise of Apple to deliver the quietest MP they ever built and (probably) the quietest desktop (with a fan inside) ever built.
However a certain number of users have obviously received a truly quiet computer. Good for them! and this proves that not all nMPs have problems. Good for Apple's quality tests!
The reasonable way to behave is not to put one's ear over the case or try to introduce a microphone inside (should that be possible...) but to check for noise heard at a normal working distance of the machine.
As long as no huge grown up gorilla operates such a computer, that distance will not be more than about 1 meter.
So, if the user at 1 meter from it (without the need of turn on his HiFi or have shouting children play in his working room to kill any possible computer noise) is still annoyed but clearly heard sounds coming from his nMP, then something is wrong with it.
After paying so much money, waiting so long until delivery(!) and reading so many positive comments about this unique computer, the only truly "insane" behavior would be to accept any annoying noise and resign, instead of getting in touch with the Apple technicians.
Whoever does not do it is a masochist and enjoys being annoyed. Should that be called "insanity"?
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I'm the one who called this thread insane. I said that in reply to a poster whom:
- Is 24
- Was unsure if their nMP had the coil whine.
- Can only hear a sound when they put their ears right next to the machine
This person was wondering how they should handle the situation.
They stated they paid a lot of money and in turn want a perfect product.....but they can only hear a sound if they put their ears right next to the machine.So yes, in response I told them to handle the situation by not putting their ears next to the machine and called this thread insane. Because this thread is insane.
Perhaps some people do have defective machines that are making audible, annoying noises. They should call Apple. But then came the bandwagoneers looking for a problem. A "problem" they could only find by putting their ears next to the machine. ****ing insanity.
No need to stress yourself, calm down buddy.
Are you really that OCD that you cant handle little coil-whine that MOST computers has under a stress test / full load? Just sayin from my experience, you can always find some coil-whine if you run heavy stress tests and put your head inside the computer, common issue with PSUs,GPUs,Motherboards.
But if it makes loud coil-whine during idle / no load - then surely you should call Apple.
I agree, seems to be plenty of them around here. "Trying to find a problem by any means"
Not really convinced that it is as you think...
if you TRULY believe it, then why post in this thread any comment since it is all made up to find inexistent problems?
Post your comments in threads which are NOT made up to find problems where there are none, in those dealing with TRUE problems and it will be a wiser use of your time and of the one of the readers.
I can only repeat again and again that any thread about any irrelevant or non existing problem (what someone may believe to be "made up") disappears within a day or two since nobody is concerned about it!
The relatively long existence of this thread is the best evidence that this matter of noise is not at all "made up" although I would certainly prefer if it was!
NOT ALL users of a nMP are affected by noise problems but SOME are and to close one's eyes (or rather one's ears) to it won't help in any way...
..................................................No need to stress yourself, calm down buddy.
Are you really that OCD that you cant handle little coil-whine that MOST computers has under a stress test / full load? Just sayin from my experience, you can always find some coil-whine if you run heavy stress tests and put your head inside the computer, common issue with PSUs,GPUs,Motherboards.
But if it makes loud coil-whine during idle / no load - then surely you should call Apple.
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My experience with noise in MacPros is a totally different one,
I used a MacPro Mid 2010 8 core for 2 1/2 years almost every day in the week.
The only noise I heard was the fans just at starting, which is the way it cleans dust and it stopped immediately.
Of course the DVD made noise when a disk was inside and depending on the quality of the conventional HDs I had inside the MacPro, some were slightly more noisy than others, which is normal.
Besides that I never heard any kind of "coil whine" or whatever people might call it.
Without any DVD disk and with quiet HD operation I had to look at the lamps to know the computer was On and not Off.
Apple promised when they launched their new wonder machine the quietest MacPro ever made and that seems to be the case with many but unfortunately not with all of them.
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I agree, seems to be plenty of them around here. "Trying to find a problem by any means"
if you TRULY believe it, then why post in this thread any comment since it is all made up to find inexistent problems?
Post your comments in threads which are NOT made up to find problems where there are none, in those dealing with TRUE problems and it will be a wiser use of your time and of the one of the readers.
I can only repeat again and again that any thread about any irrelevant or non existing problem (what someone may believe to be "made up") disappears within a day or two since nobody is concerned about it!
The relatively long existence of this thread is the best evidence that this matter of noise is not at all "made up" although I would certainly prefer if it was!
NOT ALL users of a nMP are affected by noise problems but SOME are and to close one's eyes (or rather one's ears) to it won't help in any way...
6-core with dual D700s. I'm a very light sleeper. The computer sits 8 feet from my bed. I regularly forget to turn it off at night if the monitors have gone to sleep before I do - its that silent.
Good That your new computer is as silent as you report
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Happy that your Computer is that silent. Good News!
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Happy that your Computer is that silent. Good News!
No need of mockery
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Since you belong to the owners of a silent nMP you are not concerned about that kind of noise problem mentioned by other users.
There isn't any need to call "whining" a thread in which people report a problem.
Why laugh at others people's sorrows?
Unfortunately some people are not as lucky as you are and they deserve to be taken seriously instead of with mockery!
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Since you belong to the owners of a silent nMP you are not concerned about that kind of noise problem mentioned by other users.
There isn't any need to call "whining" a thread in which people report a problem.
Why laugh at others people's sorrows?
Unfortunately some people are not as lucky as you are and they deserve to be taken seriously instead of with mockery!
I suffer from tinnitus and Ménière's. There are certain pitched tones that will cause me to get dizzy at times
8 core, 1TB, D700, after 8 days up and as silent as a church mouse. The fans on my 2 external drive enclosures is all I can hear now. Everything sits on an open shelf above my work surface.
4 am this morning walking into my home office and a high pitched whine coming from my asleep nMP that was irritating as all get out. Wake it up, whine stopped. Into the shower later after working for 2 hours, nMP back to sleep, no whine. Wake it up and then off to work. Home for lunch, no whine.
The whine was not subtle or something you had to get close to the machine to hear and not something I hope to ever experience again.
8 core, 1TB, D700, after 8 days up and as silent as a church mouse. The fans on my 2 external drive enclosures is all I can hear now. Everything sits on an open shelf above my work surface.
4 am this morning walking into my home office and a high pitched whine coming from my asleep nMP that was irritating as all get out. Wake it up, whine stopped. Into the shower later after working for 2 hours, nMP back to sleep, no whine. Wake it up and then off to work. Home for lunch, no whine.
The whine was not subtle or something you had to get close to the machine to hear and not something I hope to ever experience again.
Yes, different people reacted to a fault and asked for help or replacement
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Hello Mina and sorry for your problem.
Yes,if you read other threads in this forum, there has been many reports of different and serious bugs concerning new MacPros.
One user writes the computer causes a flickering display, other users say the computer shuts down by itself, in another case it stops entirely working and so on...
Those people concerned contacted Apple and had their computer replaced.
In one case the user complains in a post in this forum in another thread that even his SECOND machine must now be replaced!
As far as one can judge from what users write, they DO get in touch with Apple and take effective measures when their computer does not work properly or does not work at all.
Unfortunately it seems to happen in many cases, although only Apple knows the percentage of faulty new Mac Pros and at least until now, they keep that info (as well as the causes) for themselves.
In you case with the clicking drawing Wacom tablet, maybe you can borrow from someone a Wacom tablet which is linked with the computer by a USB cable instead of (I believe) by bluetooth, just to be sure it is not a kind of interference for instance with your wifi network.
Maybe ask Wacom if they know such problems...if their customer service is worth that name...
I am strongly for NOT accepting any bug at all, but getting in touch with Apple's Techs and if they do not provide for a solution for the bug concerned, to ask for a COMPUTER REPLACEMENT, even REPEAT that request if the replaced computer shows the same fault (or a different one)!
This machine is just too expensive to resign and accept any kind of fault!
At least that is what I believe and obviously, according to what other users report, I am not alone...
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Hello Mina and sorry for your problem.
Yes,if you read other threads in this forum, there has been many reports of different and serious bugs concerning new MacPros.
One user writes the computer causes a flickering display, other users say the computer shuts down by itself, in another case it stops entirely working and so on...
Those people concerned contacted Apple and had their computer replaced.
In one case the user complains in a post in this forum in another thread that even his SECOND machine must now be replaced!
As far as one can judge from what users write, they DO get in touch with Apple and take effective measures when their computer does not work properly or does not work at all.
Unfortunately it seems to happen in many cases, although only Apple knows the percentage of faulty new Mac Pros and at least until now, they keep that info (as well as the causes) for themselves.
In you case with the clicking drawing Wacom tablet, maybe you can borrow from someone a Wacom tablet which is linked with the computer by a USB cable instead of (I believe) by bluetooth, just to be sure it is not a kind of interference for instance with your wifi network.
Maybe ask Wacom if they know such problems...if their customer service is worth that name...
I am strongly for NOT accepting any bug at all, but getting in touch with Apple's Techs and if they do not provide for a solution for the bug concerned, to ask for a COMPUTER REPLACEMENT, even REPEAT that request if the replaced computer shows the same fault (or a different one)!
This machine is just too expensive to resign and accept any kind of fault!
At least that is what I believe and obviously, according to what other users report, I am not alone...
Hello!
Okay, I just wondered, because no one wrote in this thread how it developed after an exchange... (or I overread that).
Well, it's a Cintiq - so it is huge... -_- and I can not test ist with another one, because ... well.. I don't know someone with a Cintiq here... ;D
(Despite that it's very heavy...)
But I contacted the services.
As for the fan - they say it's normal, they have it as well at their machines at the Support-Center - and I can go to a store and let it check, but one would say that's normal, because it's flowing air - and therefore there'll always be a (slight) noise...
But however - I should observe the sound - and if anything changes I should go to AppleCare.
I showed them the recorded file of the noise and my "ticking" - problem - and I'll be contacted about the Ticking.
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Oh man... -_-
Greetings,
Mina
Okay, I just wondered, because no one wrote in this thread how it developed after an exchange... (or I overread that).
Well, it's a Cintiq - so it is huge... -_- and I can not test ist with another one, because ... well.. I don't know someone with a Cintiq here... ;D
(Despite that it's very heavy...)
But I contacted the services.
As for the fan - they say it's normal, they have it as well at their machines at the Support-Center - and I can go to a store and let it check, but one would say that's normal, because it's flowing air - and therefore there'll always be a (slight) noise...
But however - I should observe the sound - and if anything changes I should go to AppleCare.
I showed them the recorded file of the noise and my "ticking" - problem - and I'll be contacted about the Ticking.
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Oh man... -_-
Greetings,
Mina
The fan is supposed to work very very very silently!
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According to Apple the "noise" of the warm air expelled by the fan and the fan itself are supposed to be very silent.
Apple gives just 12dB noise when idle and about 17dB when the computer is stressed, as perceived from the operator's place which should be in most cases a distance of about 1 meter from the computer (to be able to "operate" it).
That is indeed truly quiet!
As others have written, instruments to measure the level of sound begin to register it from 30dB upwards, even very sensitive ones.
Accordingly any new MacPro keeping that noise threshold should be so quiet that the user is by no means annoyed by sounds caused by its operation.
Some people even add that they must check at certain moments if it is working, since from the noise level they cannot be sure!
If however any abnormal noise is clearly audible from the operators position, so loud that it disturbs him or her, then the computer does not keep its noise threshold and does not work properly.
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According to Apple the "noise" of the warm air expelled by the fan and the fan itself are supposed to be very silent.
Apple gives just 12dB noise when idle and about 17dB when the computer is stressed, as perceived from the operator's place which should be in most cases a distance of about 1 meter from the computer (to be able to "operate" it).
That is indeed truly quiet!
As others have written, instruments to measure the level of sound begin to register it from 30dB upwards, even very sensitive ones.
Accordingly any new MacPro keeping that noise threshold should be so quiet that the user is by no means annoyed by sounds caused by its operation.
Some people even add that they must check at certain moments if it is working, since from the noise level they cannot be sure!
If however any abnormal noise is clearly audible from the operators position, so loud that it disturbs him or her, then the computer does not keep its noise threshold and does not work properly.
If however any abnormal noise is clearly audible from the operators position, so loud that it disturbs him or her, then the computer does not keep its noise threshold and does not work properly.
Have you measured the dB level of a "noisy" nMP? Have you contacted apple for support? I am guessing no an no. What are you trying to accomplish with hand waving and hyperbole? Do you really think attempting work the crowd into a mob mentality is going to work? This thread is not only insane, it is pointless.
I'm going to get in trouble from the moderators (but don't care...) for doing this, but I think we have a new troll here. He's starting to spread his "knowledge" to other threads as well.
Folks need to stop replying to him so that he goes away.
If meant for the op. Agreed. Troll is a dangerous word in Internet forums.
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