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Has Apple lost their mind? March 8th Event Disappointment
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But... the Mac Mini was always that. At its inception, it was meant to be the cheapest entry point to the Mac ecosystem (thus no keyboard, mouse, nor screen). There was a brief moment in time where the fastest Mac Mini was almost on par with the fastest iMac, but IIRC that was only for one model (2012?) and then the next one didn't come close to the equivalent iMac. No dedicated graphics, either (dropped them at about the same time the 13" laptops did, while the 27" iMacs kept them), didn't ever get a G5 version (while the iMac did)... for most of its history, the Mini has been exactly that, a budget machine, roughly MacBook Air equivalent.
Fair point about the height adjustment, but spec wise , although spec list is a bit vague I'm assuming this is a 10 bit display with around 99 to100% P3 coverage (an maybe 97 to 98% Adobe RGB) making hard to find better value elsewhere.Even the likes of BenQ cost the same.LG had a similar speced offering offering with a 5k monitor they advertised as Mac compatible (whatever it means, think it was just TB conection) that wasn't far off this price.
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But you have to realise that this is always the case. Going from mid-tier to high end (within any given product stack), you have diminishing returns on what you get for your dollars. Take graphic cards for example, pretty much every nvidia/amd generation, going from an x70 to x80 to x80ti to titan will always have a diminishing return on what you get for your money. Same for intel/amd processors. High end is never the sweet spot for bang for buck. It will never be a linear graph. Nvidia is even more extreme in this, look at their 3090s, even when those cards were at msrp, you were paying 2x literally for 5-10% perf bump.
Well I was going to purchase a new imac 27 this year.
Given apple has dumped this product (with zero communication to customers) I guess thats not going to happen.
I am sure as **** not spending twice the money for a Studio set up.
Mac minis are unreliable and I wont be buying another ...every one I have had have problems....Problems starting up the attached screen and keeping keyboard and mouse attached. Just annoying every day.
I started using mac back in the days of windows vista (truely rubbish)...but now W10 is vastly better and reliable. My W10 pcs with fabulous 32 inch screens never miss a beat.
Guess Apple is telling me I am not their type of client and I should *** off.
This is a complete failure in understanding of economics, manufacturing, sales, and common sense.
Value is not about linear changes in specs vs price. It's getting what you need for what you're willing to pay. Many people (=professionals) will find this product well valued. You're not one of them, and that's fine.
If someone today can manufacture a machine from 40-core CPU with 96-core GPU and 64-core Neural Engine and 1600GB/s memory bandwidth, charging double (£14,000), it would be considered a steal. But that's not how it would work. And you should know this.
Nope. Reason is 99% will do just great with the M1 Max at $1999 ($1799 for Students. You can get this whole setup, inclusive of monitor, keyboard, mouse, for about the same as an Ultra. I've been using a 16" M1 Max, and can't begin to tap its potential.
Which also, for me, leaves me to the argument of whether I should just plug-in my laptop to the new display, which fully charges it. Yet I do like an always-on computer, so avoiding that hassle would be nice. Or I could go Ultra and toss on probably any Mac game and last many years.
Think of it this way- don't need to pack up a huge iMac every time you want to upgrade. Just a little box, shipped to the new owner.
Have you done a fresh install, or taken it to the Apple Store to get checked out? That sounds like something’s wrong with your OS install or your hardware, my ~8 year old iMac and 14” MBP are both butter-smooth running macOS unless under extremely heavy load (I’m talking scientific processing pipelines that take up ~20 GB RAM).
Granted I’ve mostly used it on VMs and older hardware (2010-2016), but I find the Windows 10 UI likewise stutters under load: especially jerkiness in the “start menu open” animation and the “new window fade-in” animation. I’ve never found it to be a particularly snappy OS, even with a decent SSD.
Don't be dramatic, discontinuing is not dumping and Apple is not telling you to f*** off. Just look at the common response to Apple updating the Intel Mac Pro as to why they discontinued the Intel iMac. Would you honestly buy an Intel iMac today if there was a possibility of a 27" M2 iMac this fall? And if you are willing to wait until this fall for that iMac, why does Apple discontinuing the Intel iMac now change that?
Side question, if your keyboard and mouse won't stay attached to a Mac mini, why do you think they will stay attached to a 27" iMac?
You’re literally work to pay off that device though. Then when the Mac Pro comes out it even more? Saving an hour here or there is cool and all but unless your client is Disney, or similar, it makes little since to drop this amount of money when a newer MBP can save you thousands.
Like I said nobody needs these things and not a lot of corporations allow you to bring your own devices into work.
Yes, I am upset too. I´ve been a Apple fan a long time but now I don´t know where Apple is heading. Apple has a long way to go to get into enterprise market and has a strong hold on the consumer side as I get it. Now their products are becoming too expensive for consumers and it does not help to break through into the enterprise market either where so many people already before said that Macs are too expensive.
If you're a consumer you buy the Mac mini or the iMac.
How does pricing of the Studio and Pro affect you?
I think it's more because there is a huge gap of hardware and price between the M1 mac mini/iMac and the Mac Studio. Most people here probably was hoping for an M1 Pro version, more powerful than the base M1 (and comes with 16GB RAM standard).
Not upset at all. I’m a pro in that I use my Mac for a variety of design work. I’m just a contractor though, so can’t justify the cost of a Mac Pro. I had been holding out for a new 27” iMac. So for me, this will be perfect. A lot of money, yes. But for me affordable compared to a Mac Pro and XDR display.
I don’t think it’s that niche. I think it fills a very sizeable space between consumers and LucasArts.
I think you're the perfect target market for the Mac Studio. Someone that is looking for a Mac Pro but find the Mac Pro too expensive. The Mac Studio actually answered the questions of many people looking to get a Mac Pro.
The problem is, consumers looking for a 27" iMac (or upgrading from one) are being ignored. These consumers won't need the power of the Mac Studio, but they would want larger screen than the 24" iMac. In Apple's presentation, Apple basically told these people to spend even more money for a Mac Studio and Studio Display, which contradicts the whole point of an all-in-one iMac.
So Apple hits some and misses some.
I think a lot of the time, if you’re crying about the price of these macs it’s because you’re not the target audience, but are convinced you are, and like the idea of having the best/most powerful hardware. In reality, existing MBP’s or Mac Minis likely far exceed your needs anyway.
The display was always going to be “Apple priced”. Disappointing it’s not 120hz but still, it’s a great overall package that fills a long, long LONG empty space in the Apple eco system. I’m not in the market for one as I’ve moved away from desktops for various reasons, but otherwise I’d have already have got an order in. For what little I use a desktop, my crusty but trusty old Thunderbolt Display serves its purpose.
The display was always going to be “Apple priced”. Disappointing it’s not 120hz but still, it’s a great overall package that fills a long, long LONG empty space in the Apple eco system. I’m not in the market for one as I’ve moved away from desktops for various reasons, but otherwise I’d have already have got an order in. For what little I use a desktop, my crusty but trusty old Thunderbolt Display serves its purpose.
The Mini is the consumer-Mac, the Studio is the pro-Mac. If the M1 Mini isn't powerful enough for you, wait for the M2 Mini. The base MacStudio is cheaper than, and more powerful than any base MacPro has been; and only 100 more than the similarly specced, but much less powerful, IntelMini which Apple still sells.
I used to defend Apple too but it´s getting harder and harder to do that. What affordable display shall a consumer buy for the Mac mini? And for the enterprise market, they will not stop comparing to PC-crap. The lower price of the Studio Mac compared to Mac Pro is still a high price.
I'm a professional. I'm incredibly happy with my M1 iMac that replaced my old iMac Pro. The M1 is faster in daily use (for my purposes), and is a great machine. I don't feel the need to upgrade any time soon.
I simply don't need the additional cores + GPU power in the M1 Pro, Max, or Ultra. I care most about single core speeds, and the entire M1 family has the same awesome top-notch single-threaded performance. I'm so psyched that I can now get a computer that (again, for my purposes) is just as fast as the top-end apple silicon Mac, without the huge price tag. I never need to upgrade beyond the base models again!
Another option is to get a Mini and Luna Display dongle, which can connect via USB-C as well, and keep using that beautiful 5K display.
I think the Mac Studio is reasonable. What’s not reasonable is discontinuing the 27-inch iMac, selling its display for almost the same price as the old iMac, and having no option for something between the base M1 and the M1 Max.