Other Has the throttling issue been blown out of proportion?

[LovingTeddy]

I’ll trust my chances.

Go ahead.

 

[DNichter]

If you load up your phone with apps that auto start on bootup or constantly run in the background, yeah it can slow down. Android doesn't limit apps to 10min of background time like iOS. That's why you can download large files without it stopping after 10 min.

Also, Android devices cover a large range of prices, are you talking about bargain bin phones or ones that cost over $600 or all of them?

All. Happens to the Note 8 also.

 

[LovingTeddy]

All. Happens to the Note 8 also.

So you have note 8?

Tell you what, my Huawei Honor 8 and P10 is just as fast as day 1. No slow down.

 

[nviz22]

Even if people are 'overstating battery-gate,' the original Reddit user helped out iOS users since Apple is working on newer software regarding battery stat transparency. If we can get an accessible battery health meter in the next few months prior to iOS 12? Talk about a major stepping stone. Plus, Apple will end up settling with people and possibly reimbursing those paying $79 or $29 for a battery replacement. This isn't an end user issue, it is an Apple issue. If they probably didn't skimp out on battery tech, then there wouldn't be a need for the 7/7+ to be in the conversation with software updates/throttling.

 

[rui no onna]

If you load up your phone with apps that auto start on bootup or constantly run in the background, yeah it can slow down. Android doesn't limit apps to 10min of background time like iOS. That's why you can download large files without it stopping after 10 min.

Also, Android devices cover a large range of prices, are you talking about bargain bin phones or ones that cost over $600 or all of them?

Interestingly enough, since low end Android devices tend to get fewer OS updates than iOS (sometimes never), they maintain their performance quite well assuming no rogue apps. Granted, they're obviously slower than new flagships to begin with.

 

[macfacts]

I think the people that voted "yes" did so because they didn't experience the throttling. If you look at the report by Geekbench, only a small portion of users got throttled.

"If it didn't happen to me it doesn't exist."

 

[boltjames]

I think the people that voted "yes" did so because they didn't experience the throttling. If you look at the report by Geekbench, only a small portion of users got throttled.

The vote is in, throttlegate is a fail.

 

[rui no onna]

The vote is in, throttlegate is a fail.

No: 51.6%
Yes: 48.4%

 

[deferredAnon]

Because they intentionally crippled older devices without informing customers? Please don't be so daft.

Yes, but I was asking the 'Apple did no wrong' crowd.

It will be a record quarter. iPhone X revenues off the charts.

I hope you doubled up on your position. Did you double up? AAPL to $200 and beyond!

 

[joeblow7777]

I think the people that voted "yes" did so because they didn't experience the throttling. If you look at the report by Geekbench, only a small portion of users got throttled.

"If it didn't happen to me it doesn't exist."

Saying that it’s been overblown is not at all the same as saying that it doesn’t exist.

 

[deferredAnon]

It's not actually the throttling that concerns me and I don't believe in the whole planned obsolescence conspiracy theory.

I believe in the 'planned obsolescence conspiracy'. Let's take the simple hypothesis that everyone's phone performed just as fast(not more, but not less) as it did when they first purchased it new. Would this factor into upgrading intentions for most? For every other technology, it does. So, I don't see how it won't factor into Apple products.

Sure, there can be improvements like better camera, wireless charging, etc, but these are mere gimmicks, not complete reasons/justifications to upgrade over for most. Because you certainly wouldn't purchase a phone that is slower than your current one, even if it comes with all the bells and whistles.

Apple has something to gain from circumstances of recent reveal, whether you agree with planned obsolescence or not. Apple makes a lot of money from those 'upgrading', and when majority of your phone activations for 2017 Christmas are still iPhone 6(see footnote), even three years after its release, I would be concerned if I were the CEO.

P.S.
Combined iPhone Models: in this segment, the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus took top spot with a combined total of 27.5% of activations followed by the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with a total of 25.5% of activations and the iPhone iPhone 8 and 8 Plus clocking in third with a combined total of 16.8% of activations.

 

[joeblow7777]

I believe in the 'planned obsolescence conspiracy'. Let's take the simple hypothesis that everyone's phone performed just as fast(not more, but not less) as it did when they first purchased it new. Would this factor into upgrading intentions for most? For every other technology, it does. So, I don't see how it won't factor into Apple products.

Sure, there can be improvements like better camera, or wireless charging, etc, but these are mere gimmicks, not complete reasons to upgrade over for most. Because sure as hell you are not purchasing a phone that is slower than your current one, even if it comes with all the bells and whistles.

Apple has something to gain from circumstances of recent reveal.

That doesn't necessarily support the notion of "planned" obsolescence. The counter argument would be that it's an unavoidable consequence of phones being able to do more. People expect mobile OSs to run more complex and graphic intensive apps, allow for greater multitasking, and have more built-in functions, but unchanging hardware is supposed to manage all of this just as well as it ran the simpler software it was built for? It's like you keep adding water to the same sized cup. Eventually the cup overflows and you have to get a bigger cup. It's not planned obsolescence on the part of the cup maker if you want to keep adding more water and then you complain that it spills over when it didn't before.

 

[deferredAnon]

That doesn't necessarily support the notion of "planned" obsolescence. The counter argument would be that it's an unavoidable consequence of phones being able to do more. People expect mobile OSs to run more complex and graphic intensive apps, allow for greater multitasking, and have more built-in functions, but unchanging hardware is supposed to manage all of this just as well as it ran the simpler software it was built for? It's like you keep adding water to the same sized cup. Eventually the cup overflows and you have to get a bigger cup. It's not planned obsolescence on the part of the cup maker if you want to keep adding more water and then you complain that it spills over when it didn't before.

For the sake of argument, let's assume default apps.

Adding more water to the cup won't degrade the cup, nor reduce its original capacity to hold X amount of water.

 

[joeblow7777]

For the sake of argument, let's assume default apps.

Adding more water to the cup won't degrade the cup, nor reduce its original capacity to hold X amount of water.

Even stock apps now have more features, animations, etc. as the OS advances. To continue the metaphor, they contain more water and thus fill up more of the same sized cup.

 

[trigonometry]

That doesn't necessarily support the notion of "planned" obsolescence. The counter argument would be that it's an unavoidable consequence of phones being able to do more. People expect mobile OSs to run more complex and graphic intensive apps, allow for greater multitasking, and have more built-in functions, but unchanging hardware is supposed to manage all of this just as well as it ran the simpler software it was built for? It's like you keep adding water to the same sized cup. Eventually the cup overflows and you have to get a bigger cup. It's not planned obsolescence on the part of the cup maker if you want to keep adding more water and then you complain that it spills over when it didn't before.

So you’re saying Apple has oversold the capabilities of its custom A series chips? There is no way iOS 11 is taxing a iPhone 7. Jailbreak apps have been pushing iPhone hardware much harder and way longer than Apple has.

 

[joeblow7777]

So you’re saying Apple has oversold the capabilities of its custom A series chips? There is no way iOS 11 is taxing a iPhone 7. Jailbreak apps have been pushing iPhone hardware much harder and way longer than Apple has.

As far as I know, when not throttled, the iPhone 7 still runs the latest OS/software very smoothly.

I’m not saying that the throttling isn’t happening. I’m talking about planned obsolescence in general. The idea that OS updates slow down devices for the sole purpose of making them slower than new models.

 

[deferredAnon]

Even stock apps now have more features, animations, etc. as the OS advances. To continue the metaphor, they contain more water and thus fill up more of the same sized cup.

More features, but are they necessary? I mean, sure I love attaching silly gifs to Messages, but if they are impacting my performance negatively, I would rather turn them off. My original point was how many would upgrade as fast IF their phone remained and functioned in its original state.

You are using an incorrect axiom. A cup is designed to hold X amount of water. Of course, if you are subjecting it to more through force, then you would need a bigger cup... planned/forced obsolescence.

 

[joeblow7777]

More features, but are they necessary? I mean, sure I love attaching silly gifs to Messages, but if they are impacting my performance negatively, I would rather turn them off. My original point was how many would upgrade as fast IF their phone remained and functioned in its original state.

You are using an incorrect axiom. A cup is designed to hold X amount of water. Of course, if you are subjecting it to more through force, then you would need a bigger cup... planned/forced obsolescence.

If you don’t want the new features then you don’t update your OS, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t say you want your device to have the latest and best software and features and not accept that it’s going to be more taxing on the hardware.

 

[deferredAnon]

If you don’t want the new features then you don’t update your OS, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t say you want your device to have the latest and best software and features and not accept that it’s going to be more taxing on the hardware.

Upgrading is not done for new features, but rather for security/bug fixes which is even more prevalent now when Apple is melding payment/banking information with the phone. Apple does not implement separate update for those who are just interested in security/bug fix updates, providing no choice for the end user, so accusing users of updating solely for new features is simply incorrect... like your water and cup axiom.

Of course, if you are following the 'planned obsolescence' scheme, you wouldn't provide a choice.

 

[joeblow7777]

Upgrading is not done for new features, but rather for security/bug fixes which is even more prevalent now when Apple is melding payment/banking information with the phone. Apple does not implement separate update for those who just are interested in security/bug fix updates, providing no choice for the end user, so accusing users of updating solely for new features is simply incorrect... like your water and cup axiom.

Of course, if you are following the 'planned obsolescence' scheme, you wouldn't provide a choice.

Which boils back down to (no water pun intended) the idea that Apple should offer choices, which we all knew, even before this, that they prefer not to.

 

[bushman4]

Apple should have informed users of the slower performance caused by the update
On the other hand what do people expect To get out of the lawsuit $30 ?
let this all play out and it will take years to resolve as Apple will appeal any settlement as they offered $29 battery replacement in good faith

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

The throttling starts well above 80% battery health where Apple considers the battery "Healthy" so saying "old batteries" is wrong and misleading.

Prove it.
[doublepost=1515237195][/doublepost]

My own testing I’ve been doing over the last week. As my battery drops in charge so does the estimated quality and the throttling gets more and more aggressive, it’s supposed to run at 1850, the max it gets is 1511 and it drops to between 600 and 933 MHz when the battery is at 60 to 70% charge and stays there.
I bought my 6S in November 2016 brand new.

If what you say is true, then you have a DEFECTIVE battery, and are due a FREE battery replacement by Apple's guidelines.

So go and get it.
[doublepost=1515237455][/doublepost]

sorry dude but if a phone with 90% battery health gets throttled it has nothing to do with extending the phones life that's just screwing with people. especially since those batteries will still be good according to apple's diagnosis which is a joke because why throttle a phone cause of bad battery if the battery is still good. easy way for apple to decrease warranty battery replacements that they'd have to do if phones kept shutting off because the batteries are just badly designed or faulty.

Ever thought that maybe Apple simply needs to adjust the thresholds on the throttling a bit. Sometimes people make mistakes, even ones that work for big, evil corporations like Apple.
[doublepost=1515238679][/doublepost]

Apple need to learn that they need be more transparent. They need give consumer choices. You don't act like big brother and decide everything for your consumer.

In a device as complex as a smartphone, the OEM actually DOES "decide" upon a zillion things you have absolutely NO IDEA about, but which are "decided" so you don't have to do things like:

1. Optimize Timer Coalesence. Makes a BIG difference in the overall performance of your smartphone.

2. Nice/Re-Nice Task Prioritization. Be it "Does the WiFi get a higher priority than the Audio playback?" or "Does a Display Tap get a higher priority than a Display Update?", etc, etc. Happens ALL the time, and can make a SIGNIFICANT difference in the moment-to-moment performance of your phone.

3. Background-App time-slicer. How much time each background task gets (and there are MANY background tasks), GREATLY affects not only your phone's moment-to-moment performance; but also battery-life.

ALL of these things (and many, MANY more!) are CONSTANTLY shuffled and re-shuffled, based on design-decisions by the manufacturer of the hardware and OS.

This was just another one of those things. Unfortunately, it was developed and released "under-the-gun" (iPhone 6 and 6s randomly shutting-down), and so was probably not tested and tweaked as much as Apple normally would. The consequence being that some people experienced enough of a performance-hit that it was no-longer the "transparent timing fix" they had hoped-for.

And the rest is history...
[doublepost=1515238784][/doublepost]

I did. I don't purchase anything from App Store, iTunes store. I don't use iCloud. I use Google everything. Works for all devices.

Google.

Now THERE's a reputable, transparent company...
[doublepost=1515239009][/doublepost]

I think they should bring out the option where you can choose to have cpu throttled or crap battery life. It should be the users choice not apples.

And you think people wouldn't STILL bitch?

HOW long have you been on the internet?
[doublepost=1515239731][/doublepost]

I guess all these reactions are not typical Apple users right?

I think Apple though same as you. But the reactions are completely suprise to you and Apple right?

Because you and Apple don't get is, people aren't stupid and people aren't happy when someone made a decision to slow down their phone and then tell you it is for your seek. No, it doesn't work that way. The reactions shows.

I guess people get upset when someone makes decision on their behave, this is very hard for Apple fan understand

By the way, Android took more than 80% of smartphone market. Lots of Android users are just like average iPhone users.

Actually, if even a small fraction of the nearly 829 MILLION NEW iPhone purchasers since 2014 (when the iPhone 6 came out) posted their displeasure regarding the iPhone 6 through iPhone 7 models' battery or performance, THE INTERNET WOULD BREAK! Each and every article regarding this issue on forums like MacRunors would have TENS or HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of UNIQUE POSTERS.

But it doesn't. From what I can tell, it's the same 100 people, whining, whining, whining.

Why?

Could it be because that, outside of these same, tired, Haters; this is a NON-ISSUE for the VAST majority of those 829 MEELION iPhone purchasers?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/276306/global-apple-iphone-sales-since-fiscal-year-2007/
[doublepost=1515240244][/doublepost]

Yes, that's right, 30 unhappy and repetitive posters in a niche tech forum do not represent the public at large or the typical Apple consumer. I feel fairly confident I am correct when I say that.

Exactly!
[doublepost=1515240329][/doublepost]

We want Apple to make decisions for us. It's what makes their products easy to use and less apt to be screwed up. It's the fundamental reason why Apple is one of the largest companies in the world.

PERFECTLY Stated!

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Which is probably what some Apple executive said in a meeting, but at some point people do have to take a shred of responsibility for their own property and investments. It’s actually not that complicated to have a notification that tells the user they can choose to have their phone continue operating at full speed/power but die sooner, or reduce its power and last longer. Is that really beyond the average person’s ability to comprehend? If so, I don’t know how people take care of themselves and function in society.

Which, after realizing that some people would like to have that decision for themselves, is EXACTLY what they are planning for in an iOS update.
[doublepost=1515241099][/doublepost]

Yes I do. Why not have it on a switch turn throttling on and off it’s not rocket science. But apple wont do that because a lot of people will buy a new phone when it’s slow

They are doing that. Look for it in an upcoming iOS Update
[doublepost=1515241555][/doublepost]

Then I don't think it's overblown at all, it seems a very real scenario to me that has surely been played out many times by the "genius" to an unsuspecting customer who only knows his iPhone has gotten laggy and what the "genius" is saying makes perfect sense to him.

Prove it.
[doublepost=1515242172][/doublepost]

And you can difinitively show that the reason it takes your phone “more than 3 seconds” to open the mail app is because Apple throttled it?

If it’s really taking you that long to open your mail app, it’s not throttling. It’s another issue.

My 6 Plus (received in November, 2014) opens Mail in less time than my finger takes to get out of the way of the screen. And that's with THREE mail accounts (two of them, Office365 and Gmail) are IMAP, which is far more "chatty" than POP3, and I NEVER delete incoming emails; so, I don't know what your problem is; but it doesn't comport to my experience.
[doublepost=1515242319][/doublepost]

Why is where the throttling begins a separate question when my iPhone is constantly throttled? You can’t separate the two, and it is not a fact that the battery doesn’t degrade to 80% in two years only.

FACT: Apple state the software throttles your iPhone due to battery wear.

FACT: My phone and many others throttle all the time.

FACT: My battery’s quality at full charge is at 92% and never runs at its full speed.

FACT: Until this week Apple would ONLY replace an iPhone battery, even if you paid them if their own diagnostics software stated your battery was below 80% quality.

The conflict is not from me or anyone else, it is from Apple because it’s they who say one thing in their stores and another in iOS, they throttle your iPhone, will not replace the battery, but happily advise you to buy a new iPhone....

The 20 Plus lawsuites are only the beginning on this one....

You have CONTINUOUSLY asserted these alleged "FACTS" in post after post, and yet, not ONE screenshot, not ONE scintilla of actual EVIDENCE to back up your claims.

Why?
[doublepost=1515242959][/doublepost]

Exactly. You are manipulating my hardware that I did not give you permission to.

So get out your copy of XCode and write your OWN OS.
[doublepost=1515243018][/doublepost]

As I said, no point in arguing with you......

Nor with you.

 

[DNichter]

So you have note 8?

Tell you what, my Huawei Honor 8 and P10 is just as fast as day 1. No slow down.

No, never. There’s a whole thread on the android forums about it. That’s cool, I have no experience with those but I’m assuming they are relatively new phones. Give it time.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Also, going forward, users should be able to replace their batteries through Apple whenever they want if they pay the cost. Apple shouldn't be able to say no based on their diagnostics. I also feel the battery replacement should permanently remain at $29, especially since the iPhone parts list shows the battery costs Apple $2-$6, but it'll likely go back up.

Have you ever stopped to think why Apple had that "Diagnostics Test" that required a certain level of "non-performance" before Apple would deign to replace the battery, even at $79?

If Apple was making a profit at $79, they would be FOOLS to NOT jump at the chance to replace ANY battery they could for $79.

But the truth is, it is NOT just the Battery cost (which is not EVEN close-to-correct at $2 to $6. That's RIDICULOUS!); but also the labor and logistics. It actually COSTS to have someone:

1. Log In the Repair

2. Test the Phone, and note any defects so they don't get blamed for everyone's tiny scratches and dents.

3. Take apart the phone

4. Replace the Battery

4. Reassemble the Phone

5. Re-Test the Phone and make sure it charges.

6. Inform the Customer their Repair is complete.

7. Log the phone out and process payment.


And that's if the phone never leaves the store. If it is sent-off for battery replacement, you have to add at least two more steps to receive and ship the phone.

Apple is LOSING MONEY on the $29 battery replacement; and given that they had certain CRITERIA for doing the battery replacement at $79, it sure sounds like they were even losing at least a LITTLE money at THAT price!

And yet, NO ONE has bothered to consider that. Why?
[doublepost=1515244472][/doublepost]

When a 2017 iPad 9.7 with Apple A9, 2GB RAM and 2048*1536 resolution handles iOS 11 just fine while an iPhone 6s with Apple A9, 2GB RAM and 1334*750 does not, then there's something fishy going on beyond the typical slowdown due to increasingly complex software.

Easily explained:

The iPhone's 6s battery is about 1715 mAh capacity when new.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-6s-battery-size-2015-9


The iPad's battery is about 32400 mAh capacity when new.

https://www.apple.com/ipad-9.7/specs/

Any questions?