Here's why I can not adjust to android

[apolloa]

I think we got it, you don't care about it.

Along with thousands of others, perhaps millions of other Mac users. Why don't you tell me why you like the 'feature' specifically, what do you like about it over every other method of having a floating window that plays a video? Because you must like it to defend it.

 

[C DM]

Along with thousands of others, perhaps millions of other Mac users. Why don't you tell me why you like the 'feature' specifically, what do you like about it over every other method of having a floating window that plays a video? Because you must like it to defend it.

Are you saying there's something not to like about a native simple method of PiP that works in different circumstances even in full-screen? Simply not to like it because there are other 3rd party alternatives out there that do similar kinds of things but perhaps not in all the same circumstances or in the same way? Doesn't quite feel like there's much rationale in there aside from some sort of principled stance on something or something else along those lines. And there are thousands or possibly millions of other users who don't like it either somehow? Where does that information even come from?

 

[apolloa]

Are you saying there's something not to like about a native simple method of PiP that works in different circumstances even in full-screen? Simply not to like it because there are other 3rd party alternatives out there that do similar kinds of things but perhaps not in all the same circumstances or in the same way? Doesn't quite feel like there's much rationale in there aside from some sort of principled stance on something or something else along those lines. And there are thousands or possibly millions of other users who don't like it either somehow? Where does that information even come from?

So I take it that's your answer? It's not much of a reason to like it over every other way to do the same thing. But hey your entitled to your opinion. I'll ignore the rest of your post as that's just basically picking on my argument without actually putting forward any real reason for a counter argument.

 

[C DM]

So I take it that's your answer? It's not much of a reason to like it over every other way to do the same thing. But hey your entitled to your opinion. I'll ignore the rest of your post as that's just basically picking on my argument without actually putting forward any real reason for a counter argument.

Liking something isn't some sort of a sacred thing reserved for the most amazing things out there, it's just a fairly basic thing that applies to many everyday things in life. As you said yourself, you simply don't care about/for it, which basically doesn't mean much one way or another.

 

[apolloa]

Liking something isn't some sort of a sacred thing reserved for the most amazing things out there, it's just a fairly basic thing that applies to many everyday things in life. As you said yourself, you simply don't care about/for it, which basically doesn't mean much one way or another.

You must have a reason to like something though, a way it does something, it's layout even, I also never said I don't care about it, that makes no sense, if I didn't care about it I wouldn't come here claiming how useless a feature it is would I?

I simply asked you to provide in a comment why you thought the opposite, what is it about this feature that in your opinion makes it better then any other solution out there that does the same thing. Because you must know these things in order to pick on someones comment and start arguing the alternative.

 

[C DM]

You must have a reason to like something though, a way it does something, it's layout even, I also never said I don't care about it, that makes no sense, if I didn't care about it I wouldn't come here claiming how useless a feature it is would I?

I simply asked you to provide in a comment why you thought the opposite, what is it about this feature that in your opinion makes it better then any other solution out there that does the same thing. Because you must know these things in order to pick on someones comment and start arguing the alternative.

Liking something doesn't necessarily have to mean it's the best or even better, as people like things that are similar or even different as well, without necessrily being better or worse.

 

[Radon87000]

Don't be sorry, it's pretty funny.

How is giving the freedom to the user to do what they want on a device that paid for funny?I myself would love side loading apps because downloading a 2 gig file using a download manager is faster on a PC than on a phone.

 

[I7guy]

How is giving the freedom to the user to do what they want on a device that paid for funny?I myself would love side loading apps because downloading a 2 gig file using a download manager is faster on a PC than on a phone.

Because that not apples philosophy. They sandbox the environment. You paid for something you know won't do what you want because the company that manufactures the hardware and software doesn't allow that. That's what's funny. You bought into a closed ecosystem and now you're complaining about it? After the fact?

 

[Radon87000]

Because that not apples philosophy. They sandbox the environment. You paid for something you know won't do what you want because the company that manufactures the hardware and software doesn't allow that. That's what's funny. You bought into a closed ecosystem and now you're complaining about it? After the fact?

They are opening up the OS to devs more than ever before.Its possible that eventually these things will make their way to iOS as Apple finds it harder and harder to find more features to incorporate into new releases.

Just look at the amount of features iOS 10 ripped off from Android

 

[I7guy]

They are opening up the OS to devs more than ever before.Its possible that eventually these things will make their way to iOS as Apple finds it harder and harder to find more features to incorporate into new releases.

Just look at the amount of features iOS 10 ripped off from Android

And look at what android ripped off from Apple...so what. That discussion is a tired, hyperboled talking point.

Do you understand why exposing core APIs leads to innovation?

 

[Klyster]

So I'm in Auckland doing a vehicle entry course, my sister lives here, my brother and his wife are over from Dubai so we all go our for dinner to this busy little Japanese restaurant.
Great times, food was okay.
We got one of the staff there to snap a few pics, brother has an old S4, it's so beaten up, he loves it.
Anyway, his photos turn out crap so sister gives her iPhone 6 to the staff, photos was better but still very noisy so I give my Note 5 to the staff and the photos looks great.
Brother wants the photos, we touch the phones together. "Doink", NFC transferred the photos easily. Sister has NFC but alas, doesn't work that way.....
So I emailed them to her, it didn't take long but the comparable amount of time and effort was greater, not to mention minor bandwidth use.

Will IOS 10 address this with its new file system?

It's only a small thing but android makes it effortless, even on a beaten up old S4.

Seems like a waste having NFC exclusively for Apple pay, which as far as I know, can't even be used here in NZ. (not that NZ matters on a global scale)

Totally off topic but Huawei P9 advertising here in NZ is ballistic, It's everywhere! They must be throwing money at marketing this device..... The last time I saw anything like this was HTC and Samsung advertising in Thailand years ago.

 

[I7guy]

So I'm in Auckland doing a vehicle entry course, my sister lives here, my brother and his wife are over from Dubai so we all go our for dinner to this busy little Japanese restaurant.
Great times, food was okay.
We got one of the staff there to snap a few pics, brother has an old S4, it's so beaten up, he loves it.
Anyway, his photos turn out crap so sister gives her iPhone 6 to the staff, photos was better but still very noisy so I give my Note 5 to the staff and the photos looks great.
Brother wants the photos, we touch the phones together. "Doink", NFC transferred the photos easily. Sister has NFC but alas, doesn't work that way.....
So I emailed them to her, it didn't take long but the comparable amount of time and effort was greater, not to mention minor bandwidth use.

Will IOS 10 address this with its new file system?

It's only a small thing but android makes it effortless, even on a beaten up old S4.

Seems like a waste having NFC exclusively for Apple pay, which as far as I know, can't even be used here in NZ. (not that NZ matters on a global scale)

Totally off topic but Huawei P9 advertising here in NZ is ballistic, It's everywhere! They must be throwing money at marketing this device..... The last time I saw anything like this was HTC and Samsung advertising in Thailand years ago.

AirDrop works like a champ but I doubt there will be interoperability. Of course Apple could surprise us.

 

[Klyster]

It would be great if that happened. I'd love to be able to swap photos with my iPhone friends using NFC. It's a shame bump is no longer, we used to use it quite a bit.

Files swapping in general would be brilliant but I can see and understand why Apple wouldn't allow that, security ingress and all that jazz.

 

[KillaMac]

It is UTTERLY pointless and to say anything else is frankly ridiculous, their is nothing special about it apart from Apple made it. I would much rather have them spend time of fixing bugs then pointless features I and many many others really don't need, because their are rather a lot of programmes out there that do the same 'feature'.

If it's so pointless, why did Samsung announce it on their phones as well recently? My S7 Edge does it. One window watching Youtube the other browsing. Also Apple has had multitasking on their Mac OS for a long time.

 

[Klyster]

Multi window on samsung isn't really recent.....

 

[martint235]

Multi window on samsung isn't really recent.....

Agreed. My Note 3 could do it which is 3 years old I think.

 

[KillaMac]

Multi window on samsung isn't really recent.....

True, not that recent. Forgot the Note 3 could do it. Either way, they still announced it as a feature.

 

[apolloa]

Liking something doesn't necessarily have to mean it's the best or even better, as people like things that are similar or even different as well, without necessrily being better or worse.

Your comment makes no sense what so ever and leads me to believe you just picked on someone's argument that was negative towards an Apple feature, simply because it was an Apple feature and for no other reason. Which also means you have no counter argument to make.
It is human nature to like something because of something, I've never liked something for no reason?
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If it's so pointless, why did Samsung announce it on their phones as well recently? My S7 Edge does it. One window watching Youtube the other browsing. Also Apple has had multitasking on their Mac OS for a long time.

That's an easy one, it's not a common feature on phones, Android has only just started to build it in and before that it seemed to be a manufacture specific feature.
A phone having the feature is a billion miles apart from a computer having the feature.

 

[Seiga]

And look at what android ripped off from Apple...so what. That discussion is a tired, hyperboled talking point.

Do you understand why exposing core APIs leads to innovation?

Apple has always been pioneers... but can never capitalize on innovations. Risk vs. Reward for them lately. Android continues to innovate. And forget Android, Google continues to innovate and continue to release API's for developers. I for one am so happy with developing Brillo and IoT components. Where has Apple been when IoT started becoming hot? Hell, one of the most fascinating things I saw was at E3 2015 where they debut Minecraft on the Hololens. IoT at its finest mixed in with Augmented Reality.

Apple needs to jump on this fast because industries like Medicine, Mechanical Engineering, and even Weather components will look at IoT big time in their respective fields.

I'm currently working on a project for surgical inventory in an OR based on surgical procedures using AR and IoT components. Live inventory which helps doctors with re-ordering or having an accurate count to perform and a whole lot more. And I can't do that with Homekit because the API's I need to utilize don't even exist, but they are in Brillo.

Point is, debate all you want, but Tim Cook dropped the ball on innovation and it's continuing a downward spiral.

 

[I7guy]

Apple has always been pioneers... but can never capitalize on innovations. Risk vs. Reward for them lately. Android continues to innovate. And forget Android, Google continues to innovate and continue to release API's for developers. I for one am so happy with developing Brillo and IoT components. Where has Apple been when IoT started becoming hot? Hell, one of the most fascinating things I saw was at E3 2015 where they debut Minecraft on the Hololens. IoT at its finest mixed in with Augmented Reality.

Apple needs to jump on this fast because industries like Medicine, Mechanical Engineering, and even Weather components will look at IoT big time in their respective fields.

I'm currently working on a project for surgical inventory in an OR based on surgical procedures using AR and IoT components. Live inventory which helps doctors with re-ordering or having an accurate count to perform and a whole lot more. And I can't do that with Homekit because the API's I need to utilize don't even exist, but they are in Brillo.

Point is, debate all you want, but Tim Cook dropped the ball on innovation and it's continuing a downward spiral.

apple and IBM focusing on iot and healthcare. Seems like a powerful innovative duo to me Along with a lot of action integrating medical devices into apps that can aggregate this data. So again, seems innovative to me.

 

[C DM]

Your comment makes no sense what so ever and leads me to believe you just picked on someone's argument that was negative towards an Apple feature, simply because it was an Apple feature and for no other reason. Which also means you have no counter argument to make.
It is human nature to like something because of something, I've never liked something for no reason?
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That's an easy one, it's not a common feature on phones, Android has only just started to build it in and before that it seemed to be a manufacture specific feature.
A phone having the feature is a billion miles apart from a computer having the feature.

That's actually the main point I was demonstrating, that something was picked on mainly because it was an Apple feature and nothing more.

 

[zone23]

True, not that recent. Forgot the Note 3 could do it. Either way, they still announced it as a feature.

I thought LG did it before Samsung. I'm sure someone did it before them.

 

[Zaft]

How is giving the freedom to the user to do what they want on a device that paid for funny?I myself would love side loading apps because downloading a 2 gig file using a download manager is faster on a PC than on a phone.

torrents and side loading apps? Your a 0.05% minority who wants to do that.

 

[Tsepz]

Bottom line: maybe I'm picky and I'm not considering bang for the buck that android provides. But what I totally did not realize is this about the galaxy s7 compared to the 6s:

Why I left (what I thought I was missing):
--better battery
--better camera
--better screen
--notification light
--more customization/hackability
--cheaper, way less expensive real world prices
--more "open"

What I think most people don't know or simply for some reason do not care about which is beyond me:

--the battery life is not much better, if at all a week or two later. Why? Because you will download apps that will somehow be leeching battery juice, yes, even after doze on android 6.0. All that backgrounding does take a toll, those android services. the standby time is way better than it used to be, but it still is not like the iphone, where fully loaded up with apps, the battery barely moves overnight.
--the camera on the s7 is NOT better than the 6s. The color balance matters, and it's yellow. The raw hardware is better, but the final result, is not. It's oversharpened, by a noticeable amount. And the pro mode is not that "pro" as there is no shutter priority. Get an app for that. I did. The apps don't support Android 6 yet, and the picture quality has dramatically worse quality than the Samsung camera app. There is some image processing that the apps do not have access to or whatever it is, the picture is terrible. So yes I can customize but the end result is worse than the Samsung default camera app. In the end the iphone camera is easily better to me and more reliable. But the Samsung focuses faster. Low light was not a night and day difference to me, especially since I didn't realize how much the yellow color cast would bother me. Yup it's brighter but everything looks yellow. Not a clear win to me, which surprised me.
--screen is not as peak bright as 6s, but it's not a bad screen, very good but the superhigh res did not matter to me. sunlight legibility was not better than the 6s, which many reviews said it was. It just makes the contrast very milky etc and it's not clear that this is more legible.
--notification light I thought would be great a la blackberry days . But oddly enough the notifications coming in bothered me (not the light), because I kept having to press "clear" "clear" "clear". Apps would install themselves with a ad banner type bar, or a weather app would install itself in the notification bar, and it was annoying to see these what I'd consider unwanted adware in the notiification bar.
--the amazing number of ads in apps. It's immediately noticeable. Ads everywhere and very reminiscent of windows laptops vs macs.
--the app quality, no matter what, is always always always always better on ios. I think it's not just as simple as the money trail. Have you tried to develop for android vs ios? ios is just so much faster. Android development is very bloated and the compatibility libraries and subtle differences between devices make for least common denominator apps with more bugs...or the devs just don't care as much. The app quality is easily poorer for all but the big huge billion dollar companies.
--UI lag. You've got 8 cores but it's immediately, patently obvious that the way android is designed just is not smooth in the way ios is. Chrome for crying out loud lags when scrolling, or it will after a week. Transitions are jerky at times, etc. Pulling up a context menu, etc. This is immediately apparent to any average ios user. It just doesn't feel "smooth".
--Unsensible defaults. When I press play on a video link, I get a small tiny window, rather than Safari giving you full attention and turning the video fullscreen. On a device this small, I'd think safari's fullscreen by default, give all your attention to the video, makes sense for most. And right now there's no way to turn this to the default option on my s7.
--The font system is also off: either too big or too small when adjusting font size in many apps such as chrome, gmail, etc. It seems odd but despite bigger screens, the information being presented is less than the iphone. Or if more than the iphone, the text is too small. Seems to be no middle ground here.
--Swipe from top of screen to toggle quick controls is not user friendly. Bottom would be better, but that may be for google now.
--Privacy. Wow. No idea what Google is tracking and why, there's just no confidence there. I think this is a huge bet that only Apple has wagered correctly on. I tried to get ad blocking to work and figured you can't on Chrome, makes sense....that's how Google makes money. But then it seemed odd to have to download an entire separate adblocker browser. Again the sensible default where you add a content filter to Safari. It was effortless.
--Lack of updates--I have no confidence these bugs will ever get fixed.
--Better headphone audio quality in iPhone. Music sounds better.
--there is no such thing as just use it out of the box and go with Android. No way. You've got to tinker and mess with settings and there's constant fiddling around to get the perfect setup. With iPhone it's all works sensibly with default options . I feel strongly that this is not just a familiarity bias. I was with the G1 at the very beginning and iphone was always better in this way.

I believe there are fundamental, deep problems with android that are not going to be solved unless there is a complete rewrite of the core and a rethinking of the philosophy. I'm really bullish on ios' future simply because the core features, like watching media, reading a website, listening to music, making phone calls, scrolling, etc are all highly intuitive and solid in a way that I do not believe android due to its fragmentation and mindset about the way apps are built are ever going to catch up to. It's open yes, but it's clear this openness is not the path towards quality. And if quality wins out in the end, ios is very safe. Android is simply not a quality product to the degree that ios is. Everyone knows this because as soon as people can afford one, they move to an iPhone. Rarely are there switchers to android.

Yep, switchers rarely ever to Android, hence Android continues to eat away at iOS and Windows Mobile share globally
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Kant...are-from-Apples-iOS-and-Windows-Phone_id82233.

Thanks for a good laugh.

You threw a lot of blank statements, none of them fact, all of them your opinion from the top to the bottom.

By the way, I can afford a iPhone 6S Plus 128GB many times over, yet I am typing this on a Galaxy Note 4, Android phone, there are millions like me, and believe it or not, not all of us want iPhones...... Yes I know! Shock, Horror!!!

 

[gotluck]

torrents and side loading apps? Your a 0.05% minority who wants to do that.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bittorrent.client&hl=en

10,000,000 - 50,000,000 installs

There are also many other torrent apps, and this is just google play, also have amazon and fdroid

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.utorrent.client&hl=en

50,000,000 - 100,000,000 installs

sideloading is freedom, I wager more people want freedom than you think