Here's why I can not adjust to android

[Wildo6882]

Your website states for March that Lexus outsold bmw. That was the first month I checked. So how exactly is it saying otherwise?

So let me get some clarification.

1. You're saying Lexus did not take a lot of sales from BMW and Mercedes right? Hence if Lexus did not exist BMW and Mercedes would remain constant right?

2. Hyundai is 7th on your website list. But you're saying they didn't take sales from Toyota, Honda, ford, etc? They weren't in the top 10 a 15 years ago.

I honestly am not sure what you're trying to say, you're making no sense.

You're not going to win with him. Because you're right. Look at a Hyundai from 2001. Piece of junk. No one in their right mind looking at a Honda or a Toyota would have even considered one. Now they're a top seller. I have a 2013 Santa Fe Turbo that I absolutely love. It feels as premium as anything in its class and runs like a dream. People who are looking at BMW are now looking at lesser priced luxury sedans that offer the same or similar quality and options at a lesser price. You're paying a premium for the BMW name, kind of like we do with Apple. Like no one in here has ever heard the phrase "Apple Tax"?

I can compare this to the players from China making an impact in the Android space now. Would you have considered Huwaei or ZTE a few years ago? No. I wouldn't have. And I definitely wouldn't have put them at the top of the list of premium devices that I want to look at. But look at the new Huawei devices and the new Axon Pro 7. Incredible devices.

People are cost conscious. Yes Apple is still kicking butt, but it's more ecosystem based than value based. The phone they put out is not worth $400 more than a comparable Android device. But the ecosystem, if you're invested in it, might be. This is my problem with Apple right now. I can get a great Android device and a great Chromebook (which will have Android apps) for less than the price of one iPhone 6s Plus. The value isn't there for me, although I love my iPhone.

 

[Blaze4G]

No doubt! That new Genesis is a hot looking car. Really commanding stance on the road, if I do say so myself.

I love them! Always do a double take when I see one. Reliability is the only thing that would hold me back. So hopefully this isn't an issue.

 

[I7guy]

And you're implying that Lexus does not take away sales from BMW. Lexus had zero sales in 1989. Now they have 125k per month as you highlighted. So none of those 125k consumers were potential BMW owners right?

Correlation does not imply causation.
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You're not going to win with him. Because you're right. Look at a Hyundai from 2001. Piece of junk. No one in their right mind looking at a Honda or a Toyota would have even considered one. Now they're a top seller. I have a 2013 Santa Fe Turbo that I absolutely love. It feels as premium as anything in its class and runs like a dream. People who are looking at BMW are now looking at lesser priced luxury sedans that offer the same or similar quality and options at a lesser price. You're paying a premium for the BMW name, kind of like we do with Apple. Like no one in here has ever heard the phrase "Apple Tax"?

I can compare this to the players from China making an impact in the Android space now. Would you have considered Huwaei or ZTE a few years ago? No. I wouldn't have. And I definitely wouldn't have put them at the top of the list of premium devices that I want to look at. But look at the new Huawei devices and the new Axon Pro 7. Incredible devices.

People are cost conscious. Yes Apple is still kicking butt, but it's more ecosystem based than value based. The phone they put out is not worth $400 more than a comparable Android device. But the ecosystem, if you're invested in it, might be. This is my problem with Apple right now. I can get a great Android device and a great Chromebook (which will have Android apps) for less than the price of one iPhone 6s Plus. The value isn't there for me, although I love my iPhone.

And you know any of the generalities how? You only know it from your point of view, not the people who go out and get these vehicles or phones or whatever. very convenient sounding argument that's all an opinion piece.

 

[Blaze4G]

Correlation does not imply causation.
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And you know any of the generalities how? You only know it from your point of view, not the people who go out and get these vehicles or phones or whatever. very convenient sounding argument that's all an opinion piece.

Lol as per usual you're trying to be stubborn just to disagree with others. You do it in every thread. You can't use simple logic. Too bad.
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You're not going to win with him. Because you're right. Look at a Hyundai from 2001. Piece of junk. No one in their right mind looking at a Honda or a Toyota would have even considered one. Now they're a top seller. I have a 2013 Santa Fe Turbo that I absolutely love. It feels as premium as anything in its class and runs like a dream. People who are looking at BMW are now looking at lesser priced luxury sedans that offer the same or similar quality and options at a lesser price. You're paying a premium for the BMW name, kind of like we do with Apple. Like no one in here has ever heard the phrase "Apple Tax"?

I can compare this to the players from China making an impact in the Android space now. Would you have considered Huwaei or ZTE a few years ago? No. I wouldn't have. And I definitely wouldn't have put them at the top of the list of premium devices that I want to look at. But look at the new Huawei devices and the new Axon Pro 7. Incredible devices.

People are cost conscious. Yes Apple is still kicking butt, but it's more ecosystem based than value based. The phone they put out is not worth $400 more than a comparable Android device. But the ecosystem, if you're invested in it, might be. This is my problem with Apple right now. I can get a great Android device and a great Chromebook (which will have Android apps) for less than the price of one iPhone 6s Plus. The value isn't there for me, although I love my iPhone.

Agree with every single word you said! Right on point! Especially about huawei. I own a huawei phone now. 3 yes ago I would go near one with a 10 foot pole.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

touchwiz icons are from like year 2000.

Care to share some examples?

 

[Wildo6882]

Correlation does not imply causation.
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And you know any of the generalities how? You only know it from your point of view, not the people who go out and get these vehicles or phones or whatever. very convenient sounding argument that's all an opinion piece.

Somebody makes a very logical and fair argument, and doesn't even bash your precious, and you have to argue just for the sake of argument? You have provided nothing that backs up anything you have said. You just argue with people for the sake of argument, just like in every thread you're in.

 

[Wildo6882]

Lol as per usual you're trying to be stubborn just to disagree with others. You do it in every thread. You can't use simple logic. Too bad.
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Agree with every single word you said! Right on point! Especially about huawei. I own a huawei phone now. 3 yes ago I would go near one with a 10 foot pole.

I even have a personal example. And while this doesn't mean everyone does this, but I think it does show what goes into the mind of a cost conscious person. A co-worker of mine was looking at a new car. He was originally looking at a Mercedes (I'm unsure of the model). You know what he ended up with? A loaded Chrysler C200! He told me it was because he got everything he needed and wanted in the Chrysler. It would have cost him $20k for the comparable Mercedes.

But to ignore that people are cost conscious because BMW still sells well and Apple still sells well, is ignorant at best.

 

[I7guy]

Somebody makes a very logical and fair argument, and doesn't even bash your precious, and you have to argue just for the sake of argument? You have provided nothing that backs up anything you have said. You just argue with people for the sake of argument, just like in every thread you're in.

talk about arguing for the sake of, you cannot prove anything you postulated. Proof is not the same as logical and fair.

The only "fact" I can agree on, is more competition, better for the customer, not so much for the manufacturer as there is usually less to go around except in a highly growing market place.

Finally, What's ignorant is wet finger in the air opinions, stereotypes and generalizations.

 

[martint235]

As I've said I'm new to this and obviously this website has a bias. Someone a few posts back said he liked Android cos of the geek factor and someone replied that yes that's their market.

Someone also said that as soon as someone could afford to, they bought an iPhone. Let's put that to rest. I spent over £500 on a phone long before the iPhone was out there (Sony Ericsson P990i if you want to know) so cost isn't the issue. As also pointed out, your flagship models are now pretty much the same price.

To provide an answer to the geek bit, here's the elephant in the room: OS in general. How many iPhone users have a Mac, 20%? 30% why is that? Is it because Windows is so easy to use? How many geeks run Linux? Again 20%. In OS Windows owns the middle ground, in mobile iOS appears to hold the middle ground. Windows Mobile or whatever it's called is quite a good system, it works well, it's quick, it's stable but no one is buying. The Mac is similar in the desktop world but it just doesn't match Windows.

So as I said before (and it applies to OS too) there is no "better", there's different.

And I'm a cyclist so can we stop talking about cars.

 

[Wildo6882]

talk about arguing for the sake of, you cannot prove anything you postulated. Proof is not the same as logical and fair.

The only "fact" I can agree on, is more competition, better for the customer, not so much for the manufacturer as there is usually less to go around except in a highly growing market place.

Dude, everything you have said is been argument. Nothing has been backed up. Even when people put logical and fair arguments in your face. I wasn't even arguing against you, all I was saying was that these little players do make a difference. If they didn't, then why would they sell? Obviously car makers like Hyundai and Lexus have to be doing something right with lower priced vehicles in their own segment. Not bashing Apple. But what does an iPhone do as a smartphone that's worth more than $400 than a comparable Android phone? Very little, aside from the ecosystem. I'm not firmly lodged up Apple's butt and ecosystem to be blind to that. And I'm typing this from my iPhone 6s Plus.

You constantly skate around every counter argument to yours in these threads. Don't act like this is something new.

 

[Channan]

Ok that is a fair argument BUT 80% of those cheaper phones lag after a week or straight out the box compared to other mor expensive phones. So with iPhones they pay for the hardware/software seamless integration

A phone doesn't just start lagging on its own after a week. You either installed a bad app or an in-optimized software update was pushed to your phone. Many cheap Android phones, the Moto G in particular, run just fine months and even years later.

 

[I7guy]

Dude, everything you have said is been argument. Nothing has been backed up. Even when people put logical and fair arguments in your face. I wasn't even arguing against you, all I was saying was that these little players do make a difference. If they didn't, then why would they sell? Obviously car makers like Hyundai and Lexus have to be doing something right with lower priced vehicles in their own segment. Not bashing Apple. But what does an iPhone do as a smartphone that's worth more than $400 than a comparable Android phone? Very little, aside from the ecosystem. I'm not firmly lodged up Apple's butt and ecosystem to be blind to that. And I'm typing this from my iPhone 6s Plus.

You constantly skate around every counter argument to yours in these threads. Don't act like this is something new.

do you know what this discussion fork is about? It's started about Lexus stealing customers from BMW and Lexus selling more cars. A totally off topic unfortunate tangent based on the use of a car analogy.

In typing this from my 6s, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize there is competition. Just not for me. And for my money this device is worth the Apple tax.

 

[Wildo6882]

do you know what this discussion fork is about? It's started about Lexus stealing customers from BMW and Lexus selling more cars. A totally off topic unfortunate tangent based on the use of a car analogy.

In typing this from my 6s, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize there is competition. Just not for me. And for my money this device is worth the Apple tax.

Yes I do know that's where this fork came from. Hence my comments about Hyundai and BMW and Mercedes and Chrysler, etc.

And for some people, Apple is absolutely worth the extra money. And so is BMW. I get that. But to some, the extra money isn't. That's been my issue with Apple vs. Android all along. I love my iPhone but I'm not super invested in the ecosystem, so I'm not 100% that this is what I want. When I can sell my iPhone and get an Android phone and Chromebook for the same price.

 

[KillaMac]

No doubt! That new Genesis is a hot looking car. Really commanding stance on the road, if I do say so myself.

It does. I drove one and was very impressed. It's resale value is very bad though. It will drop $20k off the lot. I am thinking about picking up a CPO Lexus GS350 soon myself instead of the Genesis,.

 

[akash.nu]

That's the one thing that Apple needs to implement on the iPhone, but especially on the iPad, is a end-user accessible file system.

This sandboxed approach to everything really blows chunks.

The sandbox approach keeps it safe and its a lot harder to hack. That's why 98% mobile viruses are written for Android.

 

[v0lume4]

I love them! Always do a double take when I see one. Reliability is the only thing that would hold me back. So hopefully this isn't an issue.

I can't speak on that car in particular, but Hyundai generally makes pretty good cars these days. Not sure about the actual reliability stats, but that's just because I haven't looked.

It does. I drove one and was very impressed. It's resale value is very bad though. It will drop $20k off the lot. I am thinking about picking up a CPO Lexus GS350 soon myself instead of the Genesis,.

Dannnng. $20k off the lot? Ouch! I believe that Hyundai is marketing the new Genesis as a high-end luxury vehicle (because it pretty much is one), and therefore they are pricing it accordingly. However, it's still a Hyundai.

Reminds me of Land Rovers. BEAUTIFUL vehicles. Also incredibly expensive. Yet their value plummets so quickly it almost makes you sick for the ones that buy them.

 

[akash.nu]

I don't know why android using people automatically think people who use non jail broken iOS devices, ain't technologically literate enough. Maybe they have better things to do in life than wasting hours behind a damn phone.

 

[torana355]

I don't know why android using people automatically think people who use non jail broken iOS devices, ain't technologically literate enough. Maybe they have better things to do in life than wasting hours behind a damn phone.

I don't know why Apple using people assume we spend hours setting up our phones. It took me 10 mins to set my S7 up when i first got it and i have not touched the setup since. Very easy to customise it quickly. This "we have better things to do" line is a copout. The biggest reason people stay with Apple products is they get into the ecosystem and find it hard to get out due to Apple locking everything down. I went though the same struggle when i made the switch to Android, it was hard at first but im so glad i did it.

 

[Wildo6882]

I don't know why Apple using people assume we spend hours setting up our phones. It took me 10 mins to set my S7 up when i first got it and i have not touched the setup since. Very easy to customise it quickly. This "we have better things to do" line is a copout.

I agree with that completely. It probably took me longer to set up my iPhone. Putting each and every single app into folders and in just the right spot on my home screen. Where I just need like 6 folders in Android with my most needed apps and the rest get stuck into the app drawer.

 

[torana355]

I agree with that completely. It probably took me longer to set up my iPhone. Putting each and every single app into folders and in just the right spot on my home screen. Where I just need like 6 folders in Android with my most needed apps and the rest get stuck into the app drawer.

Not to mention with a Launcher like Nova you can save your setup and apply it to your next phone instantly.

 

[maxsix]

My Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro consistently has full screen popup ads in games that I play that my iPhone/iPad do not. One example: Celtic Tribes.

Misleading? No. Not really. I get a lot more ads on Android than I do on iOS.

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Having used both Android and iOS I agree with the OP. To each his/her own, there will be people that agree/disagree. Android is not as refined, it is more customizable, and yes, every Android phone I've had has nowhere near the standby battery life, the camera is nowhere near as good, and it requires a bit of work for it to get ... acceptable. Don't get me started on forced adware. That is why I rooted when I had Android. Forced Adware on a $700 device I paid for ? LOL.

Back when I was single, I had less money, a job that didn't demand as much effort - Android was perfect. Cheap, customizable, rootable, fun, ....

Now that I have less time to fiddle with my phone, I am very happy with iPhone.

It's OK to prefer iPhone.

However it's a sad day when you and others tell stories and makeup false claims about Android to justify why you own Apple.

Why spread lies... Apparently because that's what some iPhone devotees do.

 

[Savor]

I was thinking again today if this RAM swap is just some placebo effect like battery savers and CPU throttling which I tried and decided to give up on. But when I deleted the swap file, I notice my LG lagging. Roehsoft won't create miracles. I still only have 1.2 GHz CPU but that split second difference can make for a smoother experience. I was actually searching for an FM radio apk since I accidentally the one on my LG before stumbling onto KingRoot yesterday. And KingRoot led to Roehsoft and SDFix. A couple weeks ago, Textra solved my lagging problem with LG's default texting app.

KingRoot itself is a great app to keep and not solely for the phone maintaining its root access. I like how it can uninstall even system apps like Titianium and controlling app autostarting. My appreciation for Android runs deeper than what the OS offers. I learn something newer every few months. If you go back to my previous posts from 2013-2014, it still amazes me that Android can still amaze me after nearly FIVE YEARS with it. The older my phone gets, the more I find ways to make it smoother and faster. With iOS, people are just praying Apple gives them what they want like more RAM.

Anyone who uses iPhone and prefers it, that's fine. Nobody is telling you to change your preference. I was an iOS fanboy myself from 2008-2012. But I can point out the many flaws it has just like the OP did to Android. I think iPhones has never been a great media player since it lacks ability to play different video codecs except MP4, no torrent apps, TubeMate destroys MxTube, no ability to mass add or delete files on the phone, lack of better alternative apps as we are stuck with the default ones, no sideloading apps unless jailbreak, and reliance on iTunes. MX Player > VLC Player. MX can adjust for louder volume and background playback.

These are BASIC USES to handle media in different formats. I go on bookzz.org to get free books and my Moon+ Reader Pro can read all forms of e-books and pdf for my magazines and Daily Racing Form past performances of great Thoroughbred champions. Apple can't do none of that. I will give points to Apple for software updates. But remember this, Apple models the newer iOS on newer hardware which is why older iPhones slow down. Google should use a minimum baseline and not model newer software on newer Nexus devices. Which is why KitKat was so stable because the engineers worked with a Nexus 4 with only 512 MB RAM!

As for Apple having more security? Go ask Jennifer Lawrence if she wants her selfie nudes back. Nobody is safe.

 

[I7guy]

Nice deflection. Changing from iphone security to Apple icloud security. Riiiiight. Which if icloud users now has opted for 2FA, that type of thing would be virtually impossible.

 

[BigMcGuire]

It's OK to prefer iPhone.

However it's a sad day when you and others tell stories and makeup false claims about Android to justify why you own Apple.

Why spread lies... Apparently because that's what some iPhone devotees do.

I didn't... Open Celtic Tribes on your Android device, then do the same on iPhone. You'll get a full screen popup going from the map to your village every now and then - you will not on your iPhone.

It's a sad day when you have no clue what you're talking about and feel the need to bash others.

 

[iSheep5S]

"I like geek apps" and that is why Android works for you because of that exact reason. That's their main target market to be honest. Nothing wrong with it but majority of iPhone users would never care about stuff like that

I wonder where I sit finding the iPad as the ONLY tablet I'd ever be truly happy with? I have a nexus 7 2013 I bring to work for series catchup. iPad wins but I love android on a phone. Takes all sorts I guess.

Typed on an iPad Pro 12.9. ☺️