Right, and my Razr Maxx can open and download 3 sites over LTE before my 4s can even open ONE over pathetic 3G. End of story.
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Right, and my Razr Maxx can open and download 3 sites over LTE before my 4s can even open ONE over pathetic 3G. End of story.
Wait a minute. You're gonna slam the iPhone because it currently doesn't have LTE? That seems a bit ridiculous given that's it's all but certain coming to the next iPhone this fall. In additional who really needs to download more than one website at a time on a mobile?
I think his point is that the iPhone is an antiquated device. It's old...it's not fresh...it's slow by comparison to it's newer Android counterparts, i.e. the RAZR Maxx and HTC One X. By the way, the speed of LTE is amazing and I love having it.
My full quote was:
Is it your conclusion that the faster download speed of LTE vs HSDPA+ equates to the Razr Maxx having the more technically advanced software, or are you making a different point entirely?
And he's right. But given that we will most likely see an LTE iPhone in 5 months, I don't think you can knock it too harshly at this point.
Is it? I'm starting to believe its not. I've found many sources, including videos, that show the iPhone 4S processor to be on top.
The Android Linpack app used here computes at a 550 Problem Size. My iPhone 4S gets 80.86 Max Mflop/s without multithreading, and it stays consistent even when I choose a 2000 Problem Size.
Here is the competition:
This video shows the HTC One X Multi-threaded Linpack benchmark. The highest he got was 117, lowest 106.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jiw2kWSU9s4#t=236s
I ran it three times in Multi-threaded mode, for comparison's sake:
Again the iPhone 4S comes out on top.
The Anandtech numbers don't match up on any of these phones. It's possible they are using a lower Linpack problem set, which is not accurate. Today's processors are too fast to accurately judge with a small problem set. Maybe these incorrect settings are baked into an older version of the app, but they choose to keep using the old app to stay consistent.
I think there are enough people here with the HTC One X to confirm or deny this. Can someone put the latest Linpack on their phone and post a screenshot of the results? The YouTube video above is very convincing...
I wouldn't say this is true at all (I am going with the assumption that you are referring to iOS as being the platform with more technically advanced software). There are some wonderfully polished games on Android too. I don't have numbers (I am guessing you don't either) but I would bet that you can find just as high polygon counts, frame rates, etc. on Android devices. The kicker is you need to have a new, powerful phone. Tegra devices tend to have extra detail (some games even moreso than on iOS). The big difference is that there are so very many other hardware sets that Android is found on. To date there have only been essentially 5 variances in iphones, not counting storage capacity. I think most manufacturers, and there are a sizable handful of those as well, pump out about 5 varying devices per year.
Too bad, you're missing out on some great gaming experiences
Unless you play them on your iPad of course, but some games I prefer on the phone. Oh well, to each his/her own.
Don't get me wrong. I love gaming but on games that require both my thumbs on the screen I usually get frustrated looking at my knuckles. Also I'm not saying android is better because on my xoom the controls are just uncomfortable, iPad as well. However there is usually a controller option due to USB hosting of android.
On a tablet playing Mario (1,2,3, 64, etc) with any controller you plug in or Bluetooth is heaven compared to on screen controls.
The problem isn't unmeasurable milliseconds of whatever. The problem for me (Verizon) is the iPhone is infinity slower the any LTE device where it counts.
Oh boy the iPhone is going to get a something I've been using for over a year, 5 months from now!!!!
If I was on AT&T I probably wouldn't care but the fact I keep my iPhone tethered to an LTE android device all day just so it works is a different story.
Comparison
Verizon 3G
Immediately compared to Verizon LTE prior
If AT&T had service at my house I'd switch but they barely do. I don't care about a game loading 1 second faster I want the phone to WORK!!
First pic is single second is multi. Do I have to purchase the app to get access to the settings?
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Here's Multi
The single is the highest I got out of 5 and the highest I got out of 5 multi tries was a little over 207.
I think I figured out why Android linpack scores are lower than the ones for iPhone. Here is a quote from someone's post on anandtech.com:
Apple supplies all the Linpack routines in optimized NEON code as part of the OS (in the Accelerate framework). Intelligent apps that need them use those routines.
Android, as far as I know, does not provide an equivalent.
You can use apps that deliberately bypass these iOS routines if you wish to get a handle on the raw FP performance of the hardware, but
(a) it doesn't give actual linear algebra performance, if that is something your app or algorithm really cares about AND
(b) it's kinda dumb because if you care about fp performance in any way, you'll be using NEON, so what's the value in a benchmark that doesn't exercise NEON?
NEON is an optional ARM component. Some ARM chips have it (like Apple's A4 and A5, TI's OMAP 4430, Samsung Exynos 4210), some don't (NVIDIA Tegra 2). More about this - here. According to this post, Linpack test for Android does not make use of the NEON engine whereas Linpack for iPhone does. This makes comparison of Linpack scores between the two platforms pointless.
Makes perfect sense, thanks for that! I'm still wondering why the sources and video I posted had different results, but this is the best explanation I've seen on why these stats don't matter.
Dang DodgeV83 what the heck's your problem?
People are posting their OPINIONS on here with their experience of the one x and you keep shooting them down with retarded graphics performance scores. Who gives a crap! They obviously didn't buy the phone for just games and video editing, they like the one x and thinks it is superior to iphone for their personal needs in a smartphone.
People are posting their OPINIONS on here with their experience of the one x and you keep shooting them down with retarded graphics performance scores. Who gives a crap! They obviously didn't buy the phone for just games and video editing, they like the one x and thinks it is superior to iphone for their personal needs in a smartphone.
I would really like to get this phone but it isnt worth switching to AT&T and paying more for their service.
Longtime iPhone user, had every model except the 4S since the original was released. I decided to use my upgrade to purchase the One X since I have a new iPad and could still run all of my iOS apps. I have to tell you, the two things I wanted from a new phone was a larger screen and LTE and this device delivers. I especially like the sync between Chrome on my Mac and my phone, syncing pages, bookmarks and allowing me to push links between devices.
Do I wish Android had the spit and polish of iOS? Sure. But, I am really liking being able to customize things like my keyboard and email/sms clients. I think the next iPhone is going to need to incorporate a 4"+screen + LTE to consider going back.
Do I wish Android had the spit and polish of iOS? Sure. But, I am really liking being able to customize things like my keyboard and email/sms clients. I think the next iPhone is going to need to incorporate a 4"+screen + LTE to consider going back.
If you look back on my posts, you will see I always replied to someone making definitive statements. If someone makes a definitive statement (Faster/Slower/worse graphics..etc), which the numbers do not support, it is completely fair to respond with the relevant numbers.
For example, cardinalryan said the iPhone 4S vs the HTC One X is like the Atari vs the PS3. It would be completely fair for me to post screenshots I just took from my iPhone 4S, and ask him to post something that looks better on his HTC One X:
It would also be fair if I posted some screenshots from the iPhone 4 as well (released mid 2010), and asked him to post something that looks better:
Afterall, this is the iPhone forum
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So you hope to put people in check with your greater opinion.
While this is an iPhone forum, a lot of us enjoy all different kinds of technology. One thing I can definitively say is that there is no one sole phone on top right now.
While this is an iPhone forum, a lot of us enjoy all different kinds of technology. One thing I can definitively say is that there is no one sole phone on top right now.
Thanks for the dose of commen sense. Who gives a crap if one phone performs a percent faster under specific conditions than another. And the quality of a specific game has no bearing on the phone it's run on: Just that they've put more resources into developing the game for the iPhone.
In the past several years I've been following the iPhone (and Androids), I've never seen such excitement (particularly on this forum) for another phone (the One X). It says a lot about the 2 year old stale design of the iPhone and also how truly innovative and gorgeous the One X is. The constant iPhone-is-better trolling in this thread can't change that.
I swapped my 4s for s HTC One X on Monday and yesterday went out and purchased another 4s because it was driving me mad!
Why?
- On my particular handset the mobile signal keeps dropping when connected to WiFi and doesn't automatically re-connect. Searching on XDA it seems that this isn't uncommon. I'm sure this will get fixed but I can't keep missing calls until it is.
- The battery life is shockingly bad! I easily get a full day from my 4s but with the same usage the One X was getting 6-7 hours, sometimes less.
- In my opinion the Camera on the 4s is far better. The One X photos even in perfect conditions have lots of noise compared to the 4s. The photos also seemed to be hit and miss...some great, others just really poor for no good reason. Don't get me wrong its a great camera with lots of settings but for me it just doesn't produce the same results.
Until October last year I was Android through and through but made the switch to the 4s for my first ever iOS experience. I keep switching back to Android phones because there are still lots of things I miss such as the better Google Maps and bigger displays but always find I return to the 4s just because it works and works well.
I used to find the iPhone and other non-Super AMOLED screens boring but now I can't go back to one because I much prefer the realistic colours.
This year I've had x3 4's, a Samsung Galaxy S2, a Google Nexus and now a HTC One X.
Why?
- On my particular handset the mobile signal keeps dropping when connected to WiFi and doesn't automatically re-connect. Searching on XDA it seems that this isn't uncommon. I'm sure this will get fixed but I can't keep missing calls until it is.
- The battery life is shockingly bad! I easily get a full day from my 4s but with the same usage the One X was getting 6-7 hours, sometimes less.
- In my opinion the Camera on the 4s is far better. The One X photos even in perfect conditions have lots of noise compared to the 4s. The photos also seemed to be hit and miss...some great, others just really poor for no good reason. Don't get me wrong its a great camera with lots of settings but for me it just doesn't produce the same results.
Until October last year I was Android through and through but made the switch to the 4s for my first ever iOS experience. I keep switching back to Android phones because there are still lots of things I miss such as the better Google Maps and bigger displays but always find I return to the 4s just because it works and works well.
I used to find the iPhone and other non-Super AMOLED screens boring but now I can't go back to one because I much prefer the realistic colours.
This year I've had x3 4's, a Samsung Galaxy S2, a Google Nexus and now a HTC One X.
To all the people who are thinking about switching to a One X, why did you even buy a 4S in the first place?
Even though the HTC One X has a beautiful large screen and is really fast, it's not better than the iPhone. The thing that makes the iPhone great is iOS. It's fast, it's stable, it's very functional and some of its core features like AirPlay, iCloud and iMessage are really useful and once you start using them, you can't really do without.
Yes, if you want a 'mini computer/tablet' in your pocket you should switch, but the thing that makes the iPhone so great is not the hardware, it's the software. For me personally, I couldn't stand a day without the iOS notifications or iOS music and mail app. These are things I use so regularly (10+ times a day), I could never switch to an inferior alternative. Even though some of the Android-devices have beautiful hardware, the software is always falls short in comparison with iOS.
Ditching your iPhone means ditching the best OS and that's a stupid thing to do. Really, think about what you do with your phone and think about how another phones can do it better... Most of the times, they just can't.
Even though the HTC One X has a beautiful large screen and is really fast, it's not better than the iPhone. The thing that makes the iPhone great is iOS. It's fast, it's stable, it's very functional and some of its core features like AirPlay, iCloud and iMessage are really useful and once you start using them, you can't really do without.
Yes, if you want a 'mini computer/tablet' in your pocket you should switch, but the thing that makes the iPhone so great is not the hardware, it's the software. For me personally, I couldn't stand a day without the iOS notifications or iOS music and mail app. These are things I use so regularly (10+ times a day), I could never switch to an inferior alternative. Even though some of the Android-devices have beautiful hardware, the software is always falls short in comparison with iOS.
Ditching your iPhone means ditching the best OS and that's a stupid thing to do. Really, think about what you do with your phone and think about how another phones can do it better... Most of the times, they just can't.
Another the thing, the iPhone 4S is from October 2011, the HTC One X is from April 2012. That's a 6 month-gap.
Usually, people use their phones for about 2 years. Why switch to another inferior ecosystem/OS when the new iPhone will be released in just a few months?
I really don't understand how easily people give up on iMessage, daily backups, excellent software support (3GS still gets all the updates!), the great camera, iCloud in general, photo stream, the notifications (stolen from Android, but better than Android), AirPlay, the tons of apps you must've already bought by now, the best music and mail app (really, Android doesn't come close), the multitasking, the AppStore, etc. All of that just because there is a new phone which has slightly better hardware (even though the camera still sucks).
Such a shame.
Usually, people use their phones for about 2 years. Why switch to another inferior ecosystem/OS when the new iPhone will be released in just a few months?
I really don't understand how easily people give up on iMessage, daily backups, excellent software support (3GS still gets all the updates!), the great camera, iCloud in general, photo stream, the notifications (stolen from Android, but better than Android), AirPlay, the tons of apps you must've already bought by now, the best music and mail app (really, Android doesn't come close), the multitasking, the AppStore, etc. All of that just because there is a new phone which has slightly better hardware (even though the camera still sucks).
Such a shame.
With your way of thinking that there isn't something just as good and you are not trying to try nothing else, how would you know?
AirPlay, iCloud and iMessage, well the One X can do all of that. Media Link HD, cloud storage take your pick(25GB free drop box), imessage, pick from literally hundreds of messaging apps on the Android Market.
I have used both and there is nothing the One X cannot do with ICS that the Iphone can.
Best OS for who? I love IOS too. But ICS is just as good and better in some respects. Now will I switch back to IOS when the iphone 5 comes out, maybe. If it is better than the One X yes. The difference between the two IOS and ICS is very little. Stability both are stable, easy to use and share most if not all the same functions. By going to ICS you are giving up nothing in comparison. Literally.
I love Apple and have all their products. Use a 4S for work since my business is ran on Apple literally. No one likes Apple more than me. But I know a good device when I see it. I will not buy a Apple product just because it says 'Apple'. The reason I buy their products in the first place is the quality of the product and the OS. The same reason I bought the One X. And the One X is a good device. Probably the best smartphone regardless of OS or price on the market right now.
I don't blindly buy a product because of a brand, I buy it because it's the best. And in this case the 4S is not the best in my opinion. I don't blindly buy any brand if I feel it is not the best in my opinion. Buy what you want and that you feel is the best device for you, not what the brand says on the box.
If the OS's are on equal footing, in my opinion, what is left? Yes the hardware. Open your mind to other alternatives, you will thank yourself that you did. Who doesn't like choice right?
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Who says people are switching ecosystems? ICS integrates as smoothly as my 4S with all my Apple hardware. It syncs with my Macbook as easily as my 4S.
http://www.sync-mac.com/android-sync.html?gclid=CNv5i82Y868CFYSR7QodP0vFVw
Need a remote for your Apple products. There is a app for that. Also controls Apple TV.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=hyperfine.hftunes.release&hl=en
What makes you think Android doesn't have the same apps. I put the same exact apps on my One X as I had on my 4S. Cloud storage, 25GB free drop box. Backups are better on my One X than my 4S. Faster over the Air backups.
How would you know how good the Camera is on the One X? Stop being a mindless drone. Apple doesn't make the best of everything. The hardware on the One X vs the 4S is laughable. Don't confuse yourself. The One X Camera is better than the 4S software wise and as good hardware wise. Better features. Like snapping a pic while shooting 1080P video. Can the iphone 4S do that, the answer is no.
Open your eyes. My One X can do all that you mentioned and more. Open your blinders.
I have a 4S an no interest in getting a One X. While I'll agree some will find music better with iOS depending how tied into iTunes you are. But notifications and mail I find to be seriously lacking with ios. I feel notifications are a crappy copy of androids especially since it covers functions at the top of the screen (yes you can swipe them away but it's another step). Email feels like menu diving vs a widget on one of the home pages.
AirPlay and iCloud have many alternatives that are arguably better. iMessage IS cool but only useful to other iPhones. That's like FaceTime, no 3G support without jailbreak. I'd just as soon use Skype or google+ for video calls.
I don't know. I'm happy with my 4S but I'm not under an illusion there aren't better things available.