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walie

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If someone can confirm this that would be great. Also I'm curious if apps simply are stored by default on the phone storage after the internal storage is full.

I have to think that if any Android device was limited to 2 GB for apps then I would have heard about this before.

2 Gigs is dedicated for apps. Apps that have a lot of supplementary data (ie graphics and music in games) generally allocate those to the storage memory (the other partition) when downloaded, meaning the fundamental data (user info, the app itself) acutally takes up very little space, so the 2 gigs is actually a lot. Now, if you find yourself downloading tons of apps and approaching the 2 gig limit, you also have the option of moving the ENTIRE app to the storage partition, with the side effect of making the app completely unaccessible when the storage partition is mounted (connected to computer)
 

fertilized-egg

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If someone can confirm this that would be great.

Here's the HTC site that confirms it:
http://www.htc.com/help/www/howto_iframe.aspx?id=141907&type=1&p_id=440

I have to think that if any Android device was limited to 2 GB for apps then I would have heard about this before.

Actually earlier Android devices had much less space for apps and it was more difficult to move apps around which made it a real problem for many users. When I got my first Android I was pretty surprised that it didn't get much attention in discussion of different OSes.

Well if its anything like my Galaxy Nexus - 16GB in total, 13.3 GB available for apps (and photos and audio etc). Guess the 16GB One X would be the same.

Starting with Galaxy Nexus, ICS uses a different configuration. Apparently HTC doesn't use that with One X and it's more of the old school Android repartitioning.
 

aerok

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Oct 29, 2011
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I would actually prefer getting the One S.

4.3 inches was actually a bit too big for my hands, can't even imagine 4.7. But both phones are amazing, I believe a fix will come out to make the One X battery 15-20% better, a bug that was found by someone in XDA.

I like my 4S but I wish battery life was better.
 

blairh

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2 Gigs is dedicated for apps. Apps that have a lot of supplementary data (ie graphics and music in games) generally allocate those to the storage memory (the other partition) when downloaded, meaning the fundamental data (user info, the app itself) acutally takes up very little space, so the 2 gigs is actually a lot. Now, if you find yourself downloading tons of apps and approaching the 2 gig limit, you also have the option of moving the ENTIRE app to the storage partition, with the side effect of making the app completely unaccessible when the storage partition is mounted (connected to computer)

So if you approach your 2 GB limit with respect to the internal storage then you have to manually move some of your apps to the phone storage? This sounds like a nightmare, no?
 

mrbutters

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Apr 12, 2012
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So if you approach your 2 GB limit with respect to the internal storage then you have to manually move some of your apps to the phone storage? This sounds like a nightmare, no?

No, it has 16GB of internal storage and if you do need to move apps, it's as simple as selecting one and choosing "move to SD card"
 

blairh

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I think I copy and pasted that link earlier in this thread. So what you are saying is that you are limited to 2 GB of apps on your One X? (Unless the One X downloads most of your apps to the 'phone storage'?)

This is the video that raised my concerns. The video author was bitching that down the road he would have to keep a close eye on the space he had left for apps.
 

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blairh

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No, it has 16GB of internal storage and if you do need to move apps, it's as simple as selecting one and choosing "move to SD card"

Okay. It would still be better if there was no need to manually move apps in the first place.

By SD card you mean the non-removable micro SD card, correct?
 

aerok

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So if you approach your 2 GB limit with respect to the internal storage then you have to manually move some of your apps to the phone storage? This sounds like a nightmare, no?

It's usually games that take up a lot of space, most games that do automatically moves the larger files to the external memory.
 

fertilized-egg

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I think I copy and pasted that link earlier in this thread. So what you are saying is that you are limited to 2 GB of apps on your One X? (Unless the One X downloads most of your apps to the 'phone storage'?)

No no, here's the quote from the page:

On the Application storage screen:
Tap Move apps to phone storage if there are apps that you can transfer to the phone storage. ... Free up more space in the internal storage by moving apps to the phone storage.

You can move apps around to make room.

This is the video that raised my concerns. The video author was bitching that down the road he would have to keep a close eye on the space he had left for apps.

Because you have to actively manage apps by moving them around, clearing the cache, etc, if you're running out of room. It's so much easier on mind if you just have one single space for everything and let the system manage the details. The stock ICS does that but then you lose the mass storage device access.

But at least the HTC One X has ample built-in space. Some of older Android phones such as HTC EVO, Desire, etc all had very limited amount of built-in memory and had to use SD card for storage, which introduced all sorts of problems. This is the kind of small implementation detail and usability issues that never came up when Macrumors had all those "HTC EVO will kill iPhone!" discussions back in 2010, and why I personally still prefer iOS over Android.
 

blairh

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No no, here's the quote from the page:



You can move apps around to make room.



Because you have to actively manage apps by moving them around, clearing the cache, etc, if you're running out of room. It's so much easier on mind if you just have one single space for everything and let the system manage the details. The stock ICS does that but then you lose the mass storage device access.

But at least the HTC One X has ample built-in space. Some of older Android phones such as HTC EVO, Desire, etc all had very limited amount of built-in memory and had to use SD card for storage, which introduced all sorts of problems. This is the kind of small implementation detail and usability issues that never came up when Macrumors had all those "HTC EVO will kill iPhone!" discussions back in 2010, and why I personally still prefer iOS over Android.

As long as you can manually transfer any apps to the phone storage, then I guess there is no issue, but that is still a slightly annoying requirement (if you run out of space in the first place).


Tap Move apps to phone storage if there are apps that you can transfer to the phone storage


Am I wrong to find this wordage a bit troubling? It seems like they are implying that not all apps can be transfered to phone storage?
 

mrbutters

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Apr 12, 2012
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As long as you can manually transfer any apps to the phone storage, then I guess there is no issue, but that is still a slightly annoying requirement (if you run out of space in the first place).


Tap Move apps to phone storage if there are apps that you can transfer to the phone storage


Am I wrong to find this wordage a bit troubling? It seems like they are implying that not all apps can be transfered to phone storage?

How many apps would you be planning to use? I have had several Android phones with well over 70 apps and never had an issue with space. Android apps tend to be much smaller than iOS apps but at least you can always swap in a new card and get more storage space.
 

naths

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If you were to fill 2gb with apps you would have 100s!!!!, and trust me its no trouble at all, takes about 10secs, iv got every app i'll ever need and i'v well over 1.5gb left!!....
 

blairh

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How many apps would you be planning to use? I have had several Android phones with well over 70 apps and never had an issue with space. Android apps tend to be much smaller than iOS apps but at least you can always swap in a new card and get more storage space.

I think I currently have 85 apps on my iPhone. All ones that I use too (yes, seriously).

I don't believe you can swap any cards with the One X. You are stuck with the onboard storage space (a touch less than 16 GB for the US model).

As long as it moves apps to the phone storage or I can manually do it, then it's a non issue at the end of the day. The only red flag is if someone tells me I can't have more than 2 GB of apps on my (potential) One XL.
 

aerok

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I think I currently have 85 apps on my iPhone. All ones that I use too (yes, seriously).

I don't believe you can swap any cards with the One X. You are stuck with the onboard storage space (a touch less than 16 GB for the US model).

As long as it moves apps to the phone storage or I can manually do it, then it's a non issue at the end of the day. The only red flag is if someone tells me I can't have more than 2 GB of apps on my (potential) One XL.

Unless you plan on having many games, 2GBs of apps won't be much of an issue.

and like I previously said, big games usually installs on the sd card by itself.

I owned 4 Android phones in the past, I only ahd issues with space with the HTC Dream because it had something like 20 mb for apps.
 

Eddie Bombay

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Aug 27, 2011
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I have the HTC ONE X but went back to my Galaxy Note after a while. Stay with the 4S if you have to choose between those two. Horrible battery life, screen is too small lol (once you go Note, anything under 5" is a joke).

IMO: Galaxy Note > iPhone 4S > HTC ONE X
 

fertilized-egg

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Horrible battery life, screen is too small lol (once you go Note, anything under 5" is a joke).

I'm not even sure if Galaxy Note is a true direct competitor to iPhone. Note is a very sleek device but if I were in the market for one and someone offered a 7" tablet with smaller bezel, I'll easily pick that over Note and the 7" tablet would probably be a lot cheaper to boot. There is a market for device like Note but I'm not sure if it's in Apple's best interest to spend energy on that market at this time.
 

blairh

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Unless you plan on having many games, 2GBs of apps won't be much of an issue.

and like I previously said, big games usually installs on the sd card by itself.

I owned 4 Android phones in the past, I only ahd issues with space with the HTC Dream because it had something like 20 mb for apps.

I don't want to be limited to 2 GB of apps. I don't think many others do too. As long as you can move the apps to the phone storage it's a non issue.

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I have the HTC ONE X but went back to my Galaxy Note after a while. Stay with the 4S if you have to choose between those two. Horrible battery life, screen is too small lol (once you go Note, anything under 5" is a joke).

IMO: Galaxy Note > iPhone 4S > HTC ONE X

I'm not too concerned about the battery talk because there are no official reviews of the US version of the One X. I would also read every single official review before seriously considering a purchase.

The Note is terrible IMO. If it works for you, cool, but it's impossible to use one handed and simply way too big for most consumers.
 

Dangerdog3000

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Aug 26, 2009
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I have the HTC ONE X but went back to my Galaxy Note after a while. Stay with the 4S if you have to choose between those two. Horrible battery life, screen is too small lol (once you go Note, anything under 5" is a joke).

IMO: Galaxy Note > iPhone 4S > HTC ONE X

SCREEN IS TOO SMALL?? The iPhone must feel like an iPod Nano to you then.
 

Invincibilizer

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Aug 18, 2011
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I have the HTC ONE X but went back to my Galaxy Note after a while. Stay with the 4S if you have to choose between those two. Horrible battery life, screen is too small lol (once you go Note, anything under 5" is a joke).

IMO: Galaxy Note > iPhone 4S > HTC ONE X

HTC One X > iPhone4S > Galaxy Note

iPhone4s is undersized now and galaxy note is just too large for a phone. Even the HTC One X is too large to be used one handed but it does have an HD display with ICS and Sense 4 which puts it over the iPhone.
 

walie

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Nov 15, 2010
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I don't want to be limited to 2 GB of apps. I don't think many others do too. As long as you can move the apps to the phone storage it's a non issue.

You will never reach the 2GB limit. Ever.

You seem to have a narrow view of this issue as you've glossed over the reality of this "limit" that myself and others have indicated. I propose trying to "think different" to understand.
 

surjavarman

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Nov 24, 2007
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I am sorry but the two best phones right now is the One S and the One X.

It goes like this

One S = One X > Note > Nexus > iphone 4s.

Since the HTC one S and X are on the market now, I really don't see any reason to get any of the other phones. You either wait for the SGS3 or iphone5 or get a S/X now.

Or if you fall into that niche go for the Note.
 

hawk1410

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Jul 5, 2011
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One X is good but i utterly hate HTCs Sense UI. I guees with all of android's flexibility there would be a a way to get stock Android 4.0 on there. If that can run stably then i guess it is the perfect phone currently on the market, atleast until the new iPhone comes out, then hopefully the iPhone is better. But if it isn't i guess I am getting this or the newer Google Nexus
 

mrbutters

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Apr 12, 2012
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Since the HTC one S and X are on the market now, I really don't see any reason to get any of the other phones. You either wait for the SGS3 or iphone5 or get a S/X

If someone (like me and many others) wants the best battery life of any phone on the market, they might opt for a phone like the Razr Maxx. I know I did. Also has arguably the best build quality of any phone on the market with its stainless steel sides, Kevlar backing and Gorilla Glass. Add in the fast dual core processor with dual channel RAM and Motorola's usual solid radios and call quality and you have a phone many will like. It's still making top Android phones lists, so I think there are more and better choices than the phones you mentioned.
 
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