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thadoggfather

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Oct 1, 2007
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Yeah.

And I just tried looking at yet another iPad4 display model while I was out to pick up a Logitech ultraslim keyboard for iPad, and ran a grey background and very easily saw IR.

Seems like they all do it or very near all.
 

richard371

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Feb 1, 2008
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I'm still covinced all 4s do this. Some get a 4 and at first don't notice it but eventually they do. It took me awhile but once i saw it I can now replicate it every time. I don't watch movies on my ipad often but I still hope they fix it. It will probably be the ipad 5 but then there will be some other issue lol.
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
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Mar 29, 2008
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I'm still covinced all 4s do this. Some get a 4 and at first don't notice it but eventually they do. It took me awhile but once i saw it I can now replicate it every time. I don't watch movies on my ipad often but I still hope they fix it. It will probably be the ipad 5 but then there will be some other issue lol.

I agree with you. Until someone swears they don't see the problem and mails me their iPad to confirm, I remain skeptical. :eek:
 

thadoggfather

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Oct 1, 2007
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I think this as well.

Do you guys wish you had held onto the iPad 3/ are you considering getting that or might as well just wait for the iPad5 at this point, right?

How bothersome is it to you on a scale from 1-10?

It just doesn't seem like something with an issue as such I'd want to hold onto for years on end. It becomes much more 'disposable' to me because of this.
 

Han Solo 1

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Mar 12, 2013
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I think this as well.

Do you guys wish you had held onto the iPad 3/ are you considering getting that or might as well just wait for the iPad5 at this point, right?

How bothersome is it to you on a scale from 1-10?

It just doesn't seem like something with an issue as such I'd want to hold onto for years on end. It becomes much more 'disposable' to me because of this.

Since I don’t use the stock Videos app or any other video player from the App Store (I use rushplayer+ from Cydia), it doesn’t bother me at all.

I briefly considered going back to the 3 only because of financial cost issues, but I figure the 4 has so much more raw power that it’s worth it in case I want to hold onto it for a few years.
 

ToomeyND

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Sep 14, 2011
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I do notice this issue on the iPad4. It bugs me a little bit. But I watch a bunch of movies with my wife on it, and she's yet to point it out. It isn't all that noticeable. Definitely not worth returning the device, in my opinion, when factoring in all of the things the iPad delivers.
 

AppleRobert

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Nov 12, 2012
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I do notice this issue on the iPad4. It bugs me a little bit. But I watch a bunch of movies with my wife on it, and she's yet to point it out. It isn't all that noticeable. Definitely not worth returning the device, in my opinion, when factoring in all of the things the iPad delivers.

I returned one back when but not this time. I tried flixster for the u/v videos I obtained from blurays I bought, watched Netflix, AVOD and nothing earth shattering.
 

Samtb

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Jan 6, 2013
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I do notice this issue on the iPad4. It bugs me a little bit. But I watch a bunch of movies with my wife on it, and she's yet to point it out. It isn't all that noticeable. Definitely not worth returning the device, in my opinion, when factoring in all of the things the iPad delivers.

Depends what kind of films you watch on it, the environment you watch it in and how sensitive you are to things like this.
 

WilliamG

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Depends what kind of films you watch on it, the environment you watch it in and how sensitive you are to things like this.

+1000000. No question. Some material it's not at all bothersome (because it never happens). Other material is unwatchably bad.
 

Han Solo 1

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Mar 12, 2013
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It's insane this sort of thing slipped past their radar before launching iPad4.

I doubt it "slipped" past the radar. Like they didn't notice the 3 was just a 2 with a different screen?

Or that the mini had a substandard screen?

No, they know exactly what they're putting into the market. They just know that they will make a boatload of money regardless, and that the ones who are unhappy will just be even more eager to upgrade when the newest thing comes out.

A major corporation, as an entity, has all the identifying marks of a sociopath.
 

thadoggfather

macrumors P6
Oct 1, 2007
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That's what I mean. This is frustrating though.

The media doesn't talk about this one at all when they nitpick other things like antennagate.

It instantly makes the iPad4 not a long-term keeper imo.
 

Medic311

macrumors 68000
Jul 30, 2011
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Like they didn't notice the 3 was just a 2 with a different screen?

when dealing with a tablet where the screen essentially is the device, upgrading the screen is a HUGE update. by adding a Retina screen they had to add the A5X with quad-core graphics to handle it along with a larger battery to maintain comparable battery life. not having to pinch/zoom on the iPad 3 to read websites completely changes the experience of the tablet IMO. it's so much easier to use

introducing the iPad 4 at ~6 months after the iPad 3 launch was a giant kick to the balls though. but having owned both (decided to keep my iPad 3 refurb) the performance difference was negligible (currently, but that might change with future iOS versions)
 

Han Solo 1

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Mar 12, 2013
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when dealing with a tablet where the screen essentially is the device, upgrading the screen is a HUGE update. by adding a Retina screen they had to add the A5X with quad-core graphics to handle it along with a larger battery to maintain comparable battery life. not having to pinch/zoom on the iPad 3 to read websites completely changes the experience of the tablet IMO. it's so much easier to use

introducing the iPad 4 at ~6 months after the iPad 3 launch was a giant kick to the balls though. but having owned both (decided to keep my iPad 3 refurb) the performance difference was negligible (currently, but that might change with future iOS versions)

I agree with the points you made. But when we look at Apple's recent history, it's pretty obvious that they wanted a retina screen out there to make a splash, but they weren't ready to pack the internals that they really wanted out there. Once they were ready to do that, they gave us the iPad 4 and pretended that the 3 never existed.

When I went in to return my mini, I asked if I could buy a 3. They said that they don't sell the 3 anymore. I said, "But you sell the 2 and the 4?" He just nodded and shrugged.

And as far as the mini is concerned, putting out a screen that doesn't compete well with the Kindle Fire HD or the Nexus 7, and charging $130 more for the "Apple" logo, it just smacks of greed. I would say that it is an insult to the Apple consumer masses, but judging from sales, it appears that more people than not are content to buy whatever Apple throws out there simply because it's "new" and "apple".

It's ridiculous.

Woah, bit off topic. But I guess the mini has a serious display flaw, too. :p
 

AppleRobert

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Nov 12, 2012
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I agree with the points you made. But when we look at Apple's recent history, it's pretty obvious that they wanted a retina screen out there to make a splash, but they weren't ready to pack the internals that they really wanted out there. Once they were ready to do that, they gave us the iPad 4 and pretended that the 3 never existed.

When I went in to return my mini, I asked if I could buy a 3. They said that they don't sell the 3 anymore. I said, "But you sell the 2 and the 4?" He just nodded and shrugged.

And as far as the mini is concerned, putting out a screen that doesn't compete well with the Kindle Fire HD or the Nexus 7, and charging $130 more for the "Apple" logo, it just smacks of greed. I would say that it is an insult to the Apple consumer masses, but judging from sales, it appears that more people than not are content to buy whatever Apple throws out there simply because it's "new" and "apple".

It's ridiculous.

Woah, bit off topic. But I guess the mini has a serious display flaw, too. :p

You can get those android tablets and others cheaper over the mini BUT folks want IOS and now have light weight and compact size versus the larger iPads. Those factors in themselves aren't to be discounted obviously regardless of 163 ppi. You bought one yourself.
 

Han Solo 1

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Mar 12, 2013
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You bought one yourself.

That's true, but I did return it because of the lousy screen. So that tells you something.

However, it's also telling that I was willing to spend almost $200 more to stay with Apple and go for a full-sized iPad instead of actually gaining money and going with a different tablet.

So it looks like we are both right, lol.

:p
 

Han Solo 1

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Mar 12, 2013
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Not fixed in 6.1.3. I'm certain apple will not fix this.

If the iPad 3 doesn't have the same problem on 6.1.2 and the iPad 4 does have the same problem on 6.1.2, doesn't that point to it being a hardware issue rather than an iOS problem?

Like I said before, they're just going to pretend it doesn't exist and then expect you to pony up for the 5, where that issue will be fixed but another one will rear its ugly head.
 

Samtb

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Jan 6, 2013
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If the iPad 3 doesn't have the same problem on 6.1.2 and the iPad 4 does have the same problem on 6.1.2, doesn't that point to it being a hardware issue rather than an iOS problem?

Like I said before, they're just going to pretend it doesn't exist and then expect you to pony up for the 5, where that issue will be fixed but another one will rear its ugly head.

Well, there's no such thing as a perfect device to be fair.
 

AppleRobert

macrumors 603
Nov 12, 2012
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That's true, but I did return it because of the lousy screen. So that tells you something.

However, it's also telling that I was willing to spend almost $200 more to stay with Apple and go for a full-sized iPad instead of actually gaining money and going with a different tablet.

So it looks like we are both right, lol.

:p

Lots more folks do that percentage wise, stay with Apple and spend more for the better display, processor, etc. than going with an android tablet instead.

Apple knows what their doing, $329 for the first mini even though android tablets can be had cheaper. I say they would be crazy to sell the mini2 with retina for that price when folks will jump to buy it even if it costs more.
 

thadoggfather

macrumors P6
Oct 1, 2007
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If the iPad 3 doesn't have the same problem on 6.1.2 and the iPad 4 does have the same problem on 6.1.2, doesn't that point to it being a hardware issue rather than an iOS problem?

Like I said before, they're just going to pretend it doesn't exist and then expect you to pony up for the 5, where that issue will be fixed but another one will rear its ugly head.

It could be hardware inherent to all iPad 4's like all iPhone 4's have 'antennagate' -- this is what I'm beginning to suspect considering it's gone this long being noted and with no resolution. But it could also be software specific to the iPad 4, since each device has its own unique IPSW tailored to the hardware and vary a bit.

And that's why I find it frustrating. I could put up with this issue for a bit, but for years on end, to keep it in my collection I would be unsatisfied. Long-term it's a very annoying quirk imo.
 
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