Wanting more from iPadOS isn’t the same as wanting MacOS on it. Telling someone to buy a mac because they want to see improvements with iPadOS is a lazy take.
iPadOS works for you. Congrats. Why is it such a problem for the rest of us to want to offer more than what it currently does?
I can’t really understand the argument for wanting iPadOS to not improve.
Don’t argue against strawmen and you may understand. I am not arguing against improving iPadOS. I’m arguing against adding complexity simply because some people want it to do everything. The simplicity you don’t like is a big bonus for me.
I think you’re talking about a very small amount of iPad Pro owners. And I don’t think those people represent the power users discussing their dissatisfaction with iPadOS in these forums.
Nowhere was I implying it was a majority. You ought to recognize that people here are a minority of Apple users, in turn, and strident calls for change aren’t reflective of the general userbase.
Yes, it doubled the price of the base MacBook and they never got around to actually selling the bloody things.
They sold some, just not enough, I’d bet in strong part because of the lack in demand.
It's a problem Apple is creating for everyone by not allowing devs to do more interesting things with their apps.
Somehow that doesn’t stop companies like Serif, Savage Interactive, or Shapr3D from doing interesting things with their programs.
That's cool that you don't have a need for those things (right now) because you also have other machines to fill in. Meanwhile anyone who can only afford an iPad is hamstrung to only what Apple has blessed this month.
I’ve had iPads for years and have yet to need them. If someone can only afford an iPad, they’re likely not looking at Apple devices at all, or even new devices. This is a strawman argument.
If I wanted a Windows machine I would buy one. However, the one thing I want, a Mac with a touch screen, happens to also be the one combination of hardware/software not being sold today. I've been using macOS since 10.4 Tiger in 2006 and don't want to give that up. If Apple were to sell macOS for installing on a Microsoft Surface Pro 9 I would go that route (given that they didn't hamstring it)
As the song goes, you can’t always get what you want. Hamstrung is solely your opinion and nothing more. For my purposes, a laptop would be hamstringing me, and require me to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars extra to get as good an experience. If you don’t want to give up macOS, great! There’s a whole range of products already available for you. I don’t want to give up iPadOS.
My bet is that a majority of the market have awkward conversations every so often about why they can't load their own music in to the music app, or reformat a USB drive, or why file management is... different... or why spotlight doesn't search the content of files and so on. None of that would be shoehorning anything, it would be adding requisite entries to the context menus and share sheets already present in the system.
I doubt it. Both iOS and iPadOS are fairly simple and intuitive. You’re shoehorning behaviors you’re used to from macOS into what you want in iPadOS.
The joy of macOS is wondering "can I do this" and finding there's multiple ways, most of them quite easy. The bummer of iPadOS is wondering "can I do this" and finding it's either literally impossible or takes many esoteric steps. Basically with macOS if it's in the commercial it can do that and much much more, just you need a platform big enough for a laptop. Meanwhile with iPadOS if it's in the commercial you can likely do that (with caveats) otherwise best of luck to you.
The joy of iPadOS is in its simplicity and ease of use. You don’t like that. I do. We’re not going to agree here.
Because Windows doesn't work for me and many of us for the same reasons why iPadOS is deficient. MacOS works the-way-I-think and serves all needs except for being in hardware that's truly flexible and portable. iPadOS is pinky out, monocle in, asking "why would you want to do that". Windows gets caught up in computer science technicalities too often to ask itself what it's doing.
iPadOS works the way I think (and before you bring up age or OS experience, I grew up using Macs with OSes as far back as System 7, back when Apple used 680x0). I don’t need or want it to serve all needs, any more than I want my car to also be a boat and an airplane.
The iPad is not a square peg in a round hole. It's a mostly round peg labeled "round peg" that's catching on one side of the round hole.
For people who insist on using it like a traditional computer. Once one stops that, we notice it was round from the start and we were trying to insert the peg at an angle.
The frustration comes from knowing that Apple is fully capable of producing a touchscreen Mac and they flip their should and say "meh".
They could also produce an iPadOS that could operate completely without life support from other operating systems and yet they flip their shoulder and say "make me".
If you want to persuade Apple, the two likeliest ways are: get a new CEO, or hit them in the pocketbook. So far as they’re concerned (there were interviews last year about this), they’re building interfaces optimized for the platforms they’re on, and they don’t see a real need to combine the two.
You may not find it a shame that Apple hasn't produced a touchscreen Mac. It very much is a shame as it means they're on the back foot on developing what the next generation of computer users will demand.
Probably not. That design is already here, and is being handily outsold at over 50-1 in total, and nearly twenty to one among tablet-style machines, in terms of devices consumers are using. The demand isn’t there.
Yes our opinions are diametrically opposite because you have real computers to use at work and whatever your desktop is meaning you treat your iPad as a temporary entertainment device. I'm advocating for people who cannot afford multiple computers or genuinely prefer a tablet form factor or don't want to drag around two separate devices and want the only limitation to be their own personal imagination.
I don’t treat my iPad as a temporary entertainment device. I use it considerably more than I do my Windows desktop. About the only thing I do with that is gaming. Your perception that iPads can only do entertainment unless they’re changed is only that, and nothing more. You can easily find stories of people running their businesses off iPads, making many thousands off their iPads, using them to educate, to create, to do much more than just consume. I’m not advocating against those groups, and at least when you’ve replied to me, they only recently emerged; before, it was all about your specific desires. Other people are a fig leaf for your argument. That‘s an unworkable dream, in any event - there will always be limitations, no matter what platform or device one uses.
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Sorry, don't mean to attack you its really disheartening to be saying "Apple should be making this better" and while others say "they should leave it just as it is"
What’s better for you isn’t what’s better for me, and I’m not arguing against making the iPad better. I’m arguing against adding complexity. I believe you similarly would not want me to argue for making macOS more simple just because some people don’t use all the features it provides.
This discussion won’t go anywhere, and I have no desire to add to your frustration, so I’ll stop responding here. You two can argue against someone else.
