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The release of the 8 and 8+ was a strange marketing decision. What was the point? For many 8 and 8+ owners, buyer’s remorse hasn’t kicked in yet. It will as soon as Apple drops the bezel/button for good-probably this fall.
It was released because Apples sales would have been dreadful this year if they hadn’t. The market couldn’t be satisfied with the X because the majority of iPhone users currently don’t want to spend £1k on a phone. The X is a niche product and Apple competes in the mainstream consumer market hence why one iPhone no longer fits all.
 
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I wouldnt say I love it but i definitely dont hate it as much as others do. However, after using the Galaxy S8 for a few months and now the X it would be hard for me to go back to a phone with big bezels.
 
Nothing wrong at all with the bezel/touchID platform. Very mature, and delivers the user experience very well.

I personally don't think Apple has nailed the bezel less device yet. Needs work but it's early days. I would bet it improves considerably in the next few iterations.
 
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Nobody should love bezels on a phone. The front part of your phone that isn’t bezels, should be what you love.

Geez. I don't think it's about loving bezels to anyone. But compared to the idea of a 100% bezel-less phone, a minimum of bezel serves the function of providing some area for a case but still allow swiping from off-screen, for those of us who wish to address the iPhone design flaw of fragility. A minimum of bezel allows you to firmly grip your phone while not noticeably covering up parts of the screen with your thumb. A minimum of bezel allows a pressable touch-ID button for those of us who prefer that functionality of being able to unlock by pressing while wearing gloves or lying on your desk face up or in your car mount and not easily opened via face-ID, etc. And a minimum of bezel around the screen provides some context/border of the screen area (black phone/bezel strongly preferred -- I truly dislike a white or non-black-faced iPhone). Imagine a 5x8 photograph print and your being limited to taping it to your wall or desk as-is, vs. at being able to at least put it in a frame, for context and protection, etc.
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Basically this thread is strictly preference of what somebody likes the iPhone 8 or iPhone X in terms of design. Naturally everybody will have their own preferences of what they prefer, there really is no right or wrong answer.

Exactly. Same for headphone jacks, usb ports, function keys, tolerance to dongles, hinged trackpads, etc., etc., etc. While apple at least still offers hardware with these types of flexibility of user interfaces, this conversation merely a discussion on preferences, where nobody is 100% correct. But it would take on an entirely new tone when if Apple keeps morphing towards minimalistic hardware interfaces. Too bad Apple is all about making decisions of what it *thinks* the customer should prefer, with very little flexibility otherwise.
 
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To each his own. For years people have been screaming get rid of the bexels but the technology wasn't there.
Now we finally have it and most people enjoy it . 6 months from now the new iPhones won't have any bezels so eventually everybody will move on or out.
 
To each his own. For years people have been screaming get rid of the bexels but the technology wasn't there.
Now we finally have it and most people enjoy it . 6 months from now the new iPhones won't have any bezels so eventually everybody will move on or out.

There’s too much inconsistency with opinions on a tech forum. Outside of here, nobody complains about the most minimalistic features, they just use their iPhone every day as most normal people do.
 
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I like the Touch ID because I’m the only one that can unlock my phone since we don’t share finger prints
Fun fact: this has never been proven scientifically, and was also postulated by the same guy who invented eugenics... and this has been "known" since before 1900... so yeah, there's some modern science that needs to happen to help quash this misconception lol. I wouldn't go as far as saying there's someone who could open your phone; but basing your sense of security off of a "unique" fingerprint is flawed. Personally, I use Touch ID because I find it a more secure method of accessing your phone over typing in a password/PIN in crowded/high traffic areas for quick access (especially when you aren't constantly wiping off your phone screen, and people can easily watch your screen use).

Every method has flaws, and TouchID is no exception to that. I do, however, find TouchID to be a worthwhile "risk" for my uses. I don't have much reason to believe someone would take the time to hack TouchID with a copy print to gain access to my phone; and if I did, TouchID would simply be my first line of defense with other methods to prevent access. And if I really need to keep my phone secure... I have the option to remotely wipe it lol.

Moral of my rambling: the whole TouchID "security" premise is based on flawed presumptions and relies on flawed hardware. But, if you're using TouchID as the only security measure, you're only fooling yourself. Just had to interject this, as I have been a cyber-security nut for about a decade (self taught, arm chair researcher here, but I research heavily and bounce things off actual hackers I know personally... and one of my hacker buddies is well accomplished with his IT career as well, so I would trust what he says lol).

There’s too much inconsistency with opinions on a tech forum. Outside of here, nobody complains about the most minimalistic features, they just use their iPhone every day as most normal people do.
Aye! I have a different perspective from my first-hand encounters with X users, but I will say that the average X user I've encountered or interacted with is pretty much going to stick with their purchase and keep the moaning to a minimum. I do have one friend who has the X and can't stand it at all; but, it's his work phone and he's not about to waste all that money. He's learned to deal with everything, but we both also think his fingers don't make the ideal point of contact. He has a lot of issues with the button-free features working reliably.

I will also add a little personal anecdote about the whole X v. home button conversation:
To set the stage, I've been driving for Lyft part-time the last 2 months. I had a passenger hail a ride (I'll name him Bob), I pulled up, and as soon as he entered the vehicle the ride was cancelled. I know Bob didn't do it intentionally because he was riding shotgun, his phone was visible the whole time (the Lyft app wasn't in the foreground), and he was genuinely dumbfounded and worried about being charged for the cancellation (not the typical scammer attitude). What we both speculated was that when he swiped up on the screen it registered as a "tap" instead, thus cancelling the ride. For those who never used Lyft, the option to cancel a ride covers a good portion of the bottom of your screen.

This became a contributing factor to my decision to get the 8 Plus over the X this last weekend. The option to cancel a ride is at the bottom of the screen, as well as all the major screen taps I use when driving for Lyft. If my phone screws anything up like it did for Bob, it will be something I can't simply "undo" while on the job. The platform is not forgiving like that, and I'm not about to rely on Apple support to intervene with contract work because I can't use their phone correctly with every gesture. I'm also not naive enough to assume Lyft would do anything about this when there's a chance it can happen many times over. Then there's the fact I sometimes have to use the phone while driving (like moving the map around, zooming out to see my next turn, etc.), and I don't feel confident enough in the X with Bob's mishap that fresh in my mind when he was using his phone casually. That means more stress at work, and a lot more focus on my phone while driving; and we all know that's a dangerous combo.

Just a little extra to toss into the stew. I think there's plenty of reason for both styles of the phone to exist. Do I find the bezel-free design to be thoroughly thought out, or the gesture to be as reliable as the original home button? Hell no. Does that really matter to most people? Hell no. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that Bob's experience is pretty unique, because I'm half expecting a slew of rideshare drivers to have this issue while working. I doubt there are very many X users who do much ridesharing on the side. Then again, if there are, I'm curious how many have had problems.

Okay, end of rants lol
 
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Whenever I see the big bezeled iPhones now. I just think, wow that phone looks old! I do like TouchID but big bezels look ugly and old.
I wish I could agree with you lol. I think the whole no bezel thing is a fad. It's definitely a design that looks awesome, but I'll bet there's going to be a few limitations that will pop up within the next year or two.

I hope Apple keeps producing a comparable phone with a bezel. I like being able to put my thumb on the side of the screen when in landscape mode, primarily when I'm laying down watching videos. I have problems with my hands, too, so I can't hold any phone comfortably by only the edges. I will be pretty much forced to walk away from Apple if they discontinue the bezel entirely, because I have almost no practical reasons to get a phone without one. I want one, but I see zero practicality in my daily application.

If I go back to Android phones, I'm going to hate life. Compared to my experience with iOS (including my early days with the original iPod Touch), Android is a complete disaster. I like what Android can do, but it's a massive headache for me.
 
Trying to put as much screen area as possible given the size of the device is a fad? I don’t think so. The smaller the phone and the bigger the screen, the better.
I think most people would prefer a smaller brick in their pocket while having the biggest screen possible.

Zero consideration to those who use a case to fix the iPhone’s biggest design flaw since day 1?
 
Trying to put as much screen area as possible given the size of the device is a fad? I don’t think so. The smaller the phone and the bigger the screen, the better.
I think most people would prefer a smaller brick in their pocket while having the biggest screen possible.

We can always speculate what the masses want; but until we have acual market research to reference, I’ll stand my ground. Being that I’m a person who finds the bezel useful on a phone, I have to admit my perspective is heavily biased; I’m also forced to say the same about the majority of opinions expressed on here, given that there seems to be little objectivity in the discussion. We can end the pissing match when the market speaks for itself after 5-10 years... but i have a feeling the topic will be dead by then lmao
 
One could always go with the 8 plus and utilize the yearly upgrade policy and see what the new models bring.
Guess the downside is 500 for a phone for 1 year of usage.
 
Looking at my sister LG G5 I would think it had such a big beautiful screen and I had the two dumb white bars at the top and bottom on my phone. I would think why in the world does this phone have those. I hated them but loved ios more than android so I stayed. I saw the X and salivated over it.

My husband said in 35 years of marriage you never want anything. Everytime I ask you what you would like for your birthday or Christmas you always say I have no idea. But I have noticed you always have your phone in your hand or beside you. Have you seen the new iphone Xs? I laughed and said, yes of course but paying $1000 for a phone isn't possible with us being retired. He said if I buy one for myself what would you do. Laughing I said, you who do not want anything but a very basic phone, ha ha I will have your phone in my hand all the time. To my shock and surprise he ordered my iphone X as a gift. I asked him to let me return it and get a 7 or 8. He said you cannot return a gift given with love, and if you do you will hurt my feelings. So I have the X with smiles and love from my hubby of over 35 years.

I love everything about this wonderful phone, screen with the oled screen, and for me a notch that looks way better than the bars (Bezels) at the top and bottom of the screen gone! YAY Course as all who have posted before this is my opinion
 
Which is?

We wear shoes to protect our feet from the hard ground, automakers put bumpers on cars to protect against parking lot love taps, Apple invented MagSafe to prevent the dreaded laptop-meets-coffeeshop-floor (but then very narrow-mindedly removed MagSafe :mad:o_O). But for perhaps the most expensive purchase we replace every few years and tote around nearly 24/7 — one which is made of glass of all things, and which Apple keeps adding functions while taking away buttons, thus requiring swipes from off-screen to actuate — how well will some of us be able to protect our bezelless jewelry phone and access its features with a protective case?

The case I use slightly overlaps 1/2 of the bezel areas and has corner bumpers, securely encasing/framing-in the phone while letting me swipe in from offscreen in all sides while not significantly bulking up my iPhone. Just perfect.

Curious to see what happens when/if bezels disappear. Apple’s removing MagSafe — one of the most brilliant innovations, imho — just to introduce a certain sleekness due to some imagined need for symmetry instead of overall robustness of design, confirms their fashion/form over function priorities. So if their glass jewelry phones go bezelless, I’ll just be curious to see the long term customer response.

If I were Tim and Jony and felt so passionate about bezels, I’d limit phone faces to be black. A white face especially highlights the large, awful, meanie, productivity-reducing bezels. But let’s see what Apple’s fashionista designers say about maintaining color choices vs. this bezelless fad. :)
 
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I love everything about this wonderful phone, screen with the oled screen, and for me a notch that looks way better than the bars (Bezels) at the top and bottom of the screen gone! YAY Course as all who have posted before this is my opinion

Couldn’t agree more. I too always questioned the introduction of a distractingly white-faced iPhone, similar to ios7’s “change for the sake of change” going to a white border in iPhotos (until you click on the photo and regain a black background as it should always be, but at least very in-keeping with Jony Ive’s requiring the user post-iOS 7 to click or swipe 2-3x to perform an action that used to be able to be performed in one click before iOS 7). :)
 
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To me the regular 6/7/8 is the most beautiful of all iPhone designs. Don’t fancy the Plus size. Too big and the camerabump is :eek:. Don’t fancy the notch either, but will probably jump from 6s to 6.1 inch 2018 model.
 
Looking at my sister LG G5 I would think it had such a big beautiful screen and I had the two dumb white bars at the top and bottom on my phone. I would think why in the world does this phone have those. I hated them but loved ios more than android so I stayed. I saw the X and salivated over it.

My husband said in 35 years of marriage you never want anything. Everytime I ask you what you would like for your birthday or Christmas you always say I have no idea. But I have noticed you always have your phone in your hand or beside you. Have you seen the new iphone Xs? I laughed and said, yes of course but paying $1000 for a phone isn't possible with us being retired. He said if I buy one for myself what would you do. Laughing I said, you who do not want anything but a very basic phone, ha ha I will have your phone in my hand all the time. To my shock and surprise he ordered my iphone X as a gift. I asked him to let me return it and get a 7 or 8. He said you cannot return a gift given with love, and if you do you will hurt my feelings. So I have the X with smiles and love from my hubby of over 35 years.

I love everything about this wonderful phone, screen with the oled screen, and for me a notch that looks way better than the bars (Bezels) at the top and bottom of the screen gone! YAY Course as all who have posted before this is my opinion
This is really sweet.
[doublepost=1524671490][/doublepost]I like the X, and if I were buying a new phone, I'd get it, but i have no problem with the aesthetics of bezels. I spend too much time with my beloved iPad to think a virtually identical phone is hideous. I still like it!

That said, I'm hoping for a cool iPad pro redesign.
 
We can always speculate what the masses want; but until we have acual market research to reference, I’ll stand my ground. Being that I’m a person who finds the bezel useful on a phone, I have to admit my perspective is heavily biased; I’m also forced to say the same about the majority of opinions expressed on here, given that there seems to be little objectivity in the discussion. We can end the pissing match when the market speaks for itself after 5-10 years... but i have a feeling the topic will be dead by then lmao

Coming from someone who appreciates the iPhone X and iPhone 8, I still think bezels serve their purpose. They never bothered me to begin with and I certainly don’t bother me now, even after the iPhone X launch. Especially given when you hold the 5.5 iPhone Plus, I feel the bezels help you achieve a stronger grip in your hand with one handed use. I See advantages both to the iPhone 8 and iPhone X.
 
I always buy my phones outright.

I saved enough for the X. Went to the store. Left with an 8. Not even an 8 plus.

I balked at spending 1k on a phone. And when I saw the X there was nothing about it that made it worth the £300 over the 8 for me. So instead I got the 8 and AppleCare.

Love the 8.
 
I don't love the bezels. But, I also don't hate them or obsess over them the way some people on this forum have for the last 2-3 years. I have the X and it's a great phone. But, I've realized the edge to edge screen doesn't really add that much to the overall experience. I have found that I can only focus my eyes on roughly 1/2 of the screen area at a time when reading text at a normal distance. So having a taller screen doesn't add much. The bezel-less screen would seem to be great for watching movies. Unfortunately, the screen is now no longer 16:9, so the extra screen real estate is either wasted or the top and bottom of the picture gets cut off to make the image fill the whole screen. Neither is ideal. Also, there are some other aspects of the edge to edge design that are actually worse. I have encountered quite a few more unintended touches on the screen than I have with past iPhones, especially when using the X in landscape mode. And having the control center stuck up in the top right corner is much less convenient than swiping up from the bottom, especially for a lefty like myself.

I'm not saying the iPhone X design is bad. Clearly, edge to edge phones are the future. However, I am considering downsizing to an SE 2 depending on the specs (and if one is ever announced at all). If I do, I will have a much harder time giving up the OLED aspect of the screen on the X than the edge to edge design.
 
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