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HardLine

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Here’s another thing to add to the list.

All the hate that Microsoft gets on this board, there is something they do that makes me wonder why the hell Mac users stick to a Mac in the first place.

Software compatibility.

I can run a program made from the Windows 95 generation on Windows XP with no problem. Every time Apple releases an “upgrade” then developers have to update their programs to make them work to their full potential.

Supposedly they will fix this in 10.5, but honestly it’s one thing that has been busting my balls for the longest time. For the brief time I was a Mac user I would see all the time “Made for OS X 10.4” or “Requires 10.3.6 or higher”

I have to you, why the hell should that be?

Linux is even worse lol, can someone say dependencies!
 

Queso

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HardLine said:
Because the entire point of this thread is for users, as in you, i, everyone in here posting, to tell each other what we don't like about apple.
Except you didn't criticise Apple, you criticised us. And now you think you should be given the last word even though you've obviously misinterpreted the point of the thread.

Your criticisms of Apple are fair, and it's not the first time any of us have heard them. But then, despite the fact we are also all here criticising Apple, you state that we worship the company and it's CEO. Why did you feel the need to do that when the fact this thread even exists proves you wrong?
 

Queso

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HardLine said:
Maybe I'm the only one who speaks English, since when does most mean all?
Prove that most Mac users are like this then. There are estimated to be 30 million Mac users worldwide. Show me your source that says over 15 million of us are raving zealots and I'll agree with you.
 

emotion

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HardLine said:
Supposedly they will fix this in 10.5, but honestly it’s one thing that has been busting my balls for the longest time.


It was busting your balls?....For what, the 3 months you had an OSX machine for?

See, that fan boy-ism I dislike about Apple that I list above. The anti-fanboyism you display is equally as bad.
 

kretzy

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most: pronoun; nearly all, almost all, the greatest part/number, the majority, the bulk, the preponderance. antonym little, few.

Sure it doesn't mean "all", but it certainly implies a majority, which is a complete and utter falsehood. I suppose we should add "Mac users don't know English" to the list.
 

gauchogolfer

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HardLine said:
Here’s another thing to add to the list.

All the hate that Microsoft gets on this board, there is something they do that makes me wonder why the hell Mac users stick to a Mac in the first place.

Software compatibility.

I can run a program made from the Windows 95 generation on Windows XP with no problem. Every time Apple releases an “upgrade” then developers have to update their programs to make them work to their full potential.

Supposedly they will fix this in 10.5, but honestly it’s one thing that has been busting my balls for the longest time. For the brief time I was a Mac user I would see all the time “Made for OS X 10.4” or “Requires 10.3.6 or higher”

I have to you, why the hell should that be?

Linux is even worse lol, can someone say dependencies!

To me, this makes absolutely no sense. Are you saying that you can run programs written in the XP generation on a Windows 95 machine? Even if you can, I'm going to assume that performance is probably awful. Up until this change to Intel, there was a thing called 'Classic' mode which was part of OS X that allowed older programs (OS9 and before) to be run on newer machines.

Some of these newer programs which require 10.4 take advantage of actual ADVANCES that OS X has, such as Core Audio and Video, Spotlight interaction, et cetera. I guess the OS could just stay stagnant and not advance, in order to retain some form of backwards-compatibility, but why?
 

generik

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Actually reading some posts here did make me realise something.

Windows is not that bad

I'd prefer OSX any day, but together with the baggage that OSX comes with, Windows is definitely a fair compromise.

However on portables, IMO there is no compromise. MacOS actually edges out Windows XP by a huge margin. And for that I mean HUGE.

Anyway, even as I'm typing this I already have various parts for a new Conroe powered "PeeCee" converging on my location from all over the nation. The sobering fact? While this new machine might not be the fastest most "kickass" machine sporting the latest and greatest, it certainly does come with.. a Conroe E6300 processor (1.83Ghz), a Gigabyte top of the line mainboard with good capacitors (see me other post, yes I am a sucker), 2GB of insanely good DDR800 Muskin modules, and a "average" Geforce 7600GT card. Final cost for all that? Around A$1800.

For that price I can probably get an iMac 17" for $200 more. The iMac also comes with a display, a similarly fast CPU, significantly slower ram (and less of that too), and probably questionable capcitors on its logic board, and let's not forget the slower graphics card. But all in all, it is a Mac.

It's pretty good value.

Ironically though, if I am to choose between the hopscotch of parts that'd form the next PC, and an all in one integrated iMac, I will take the bits in a heartbeat. Nevermind MacOS, nevermind Applecare.

Why's that the case?

1) Mac users always like to point at PCs that freeze up, or BSOD every now and then, and over generalise these occurences to all PC in general.

It's actually not true. If you get a $600 box from Dell, perhaps so. But if you price out your components generously, hey.. your machine can actually be just as capable of getting that 1-2 month uptime as any other Mac. I'd even go on the record here and say that the last time I've seen a "blue screen of death" was almost 30 months ago, and that's cos I had a dodgey graphics card die after I.. abused it.

Hence, here I have the choice. I can get good components, or I can get cheap components. For Apple there is no choice, I pay top dollar and get what Apple decides to put in, be it good components, or more often than not the same cheapies and a lavish helping of thermal goop.

2) Virus!! Spyware!!

I actually made a post sometime back on how to "compute safely" in Windows, so I'm not going to repeat it here. Either way, when you have an OS that is capable of running easily 99% of the world's software, obviously you got to take responsibility for that freedom.

Anyhow to Mac users who are going to counter this point with a fanboish "Ha! One app on the Mac platform > 10 apps in Windows!" and then cites that one and only good example.. iPhoto.

Sure, iPhoto is good.

Find me alternatives to:

eBay Turbo Lister (both iSale and GarageSale costs money)
EAC (Max does not support C2 extraction)
ICQ (Adium does not support ICQ Xtras)
Filezilla (I like Transmit, but again, it costs money)

There's probably a lot more, but I'll just leave it at that.

3) AppleCare rocks... not.
Has anyone ever did a cost assessment of AppleCare?

Let's take a look at the price of Applecare for an Apple equivalent of an upgradeable tower desktop, the Powermac G5. The "cheap" dual 2.0 model prices in at A$3199 with APP costing $419. That's a decent Computer:APP price ratio. For the MBP on the other hand it gets more interesting, the base 15" MBP also prices in at A$3199 with APP costing $579.

That's almost 20% of the cost of your machine. What kind of service do you expect for that kind of money?

The thing about Applecare (at least previously for the PPC based machines), is that unlike PCs, you pretty much only have one source for servicing.

That's right.

Applecare is basically "Ok, we extort an extra 15% out of you now. Don't wanna pay up? Fine, walk out this door with that computer of yours, and I guarantee you, it will fail between the first year and the third year. On that day when you come back in you will wish you have never been born.."

With PCs, no biggie, just get a compatible alternative part, put it in, and bam, it works. Obviously this point doesn't hold for laptops but you get what I'm trying to drive with PCs.

That, and the fact that it isn't really THAT great level of service.

Ok, I'll scoot off for now. Everything said I still think OSX is fantastic for laptops, but on desktops much of those advantages kind of deminishes.
 

generik

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Demoman said:
It is Dell/Acer/MS people who come on Apple websites and post false, or exaggerated things to discourage people from switching. It is so lame and obvious.

I am so blinded by your insight.
 

SteveRichardson

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the new commercials

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

bring back ellen feiss
 

Blue Velvet

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generik said:
Fine, walk out this door with that computer of yours, and I guarantee you, it will fail between the first year and the third year. On that day when you come back in you will wish you have never been born...


Funny how we've got a couple of 7 year old machines doing their bit, day in, day out at the office with never a single moment's service. Could say the same for most design places in London — you wouldn't believe how long people keep these machines running.

*typing on a 4 year old, perfectly reliable PowerMac*
 

generik

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HardLine said:
Gauchogolfer: these are my observations about the Mac community. Winblowz, Microsoft is evil, if apple release anything it’s amazing, I hear these things regularly and it’s quite discouraging. The term zealot shouldn’t be used lightly. The ThinkPad’s we got from newegg, it was a small start up web hosting company, not an official business per say.

My brother on the other hand, he manages about 100 IBM data centers at his job, in NYC. Whenever anything goes wrong, they usually show up in 6 hours or less. That’s the premium service lol!

Erm.. that's not really true. It's quite obvious from the wireless mighty mouse thread that the community has responded more with a "meh" than a "yay". And just wait till the "yay" crowd receive their A$109 mouse and discover what it truly is...

In other news your brother's company also pays also pays enough money every year to IBMGS to make the mansions owned by Hollywood superstars look like boxes under the bridge.

Just something for you to think about. IBM is not cheap.

SteveRichardson said:
the new commercials

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

bring back ellen feiss

The new commercials are funny if you are a Mac user, but depending on how entrenched you are in Windows, it can also be outright rude and condescending. Would you want to deal with such a company?

if they want to make an accurate comparison, why not make the Mac guy freeze up when he mentions how the Windows fella has "Clock" for hours of fun? That's exactly what invoking Dashboard will do to my Mini, good ole 15 seconds of hard drive thrashing.
 

HardLine

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Tell me about it, I'm afraid to cough in the server room that stuff is so expensive. You're not paying for the hardware, anyone can make a server, you're paying for the service.

But something tells me you knew that.
 

bbrosemer

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generik said:
Erm.. that's not really true. It's quite obvious from the wireless mighty mouse thread that the community has responded more with a "meh" than a "yay". And just wait till the "yay" crowd receive their A$109 mouse and discover what it truly is...

In other news your brother's company also pays also pays enough money every year to IBMGS to make the mansions owned by Hollywood superstars look like boxes under the bridge.

Just something for you to think about. IBM is not cheap.



The new commercials are funny if you are a Mac user, but depending on how entrenched you are in Windows, it can also be outright rude and condescending. Would you want to deal with such a company?
Id tend to agree, IBM is just as expensive as apple when it comes to anything computer releated, well now Lenevo is the Laptop maker, anyway also the mouse is nice for $62, I have never used a Laser Mouse only the LED ones and I have to say its nice, moreover, I would say most people I know that use macs arent the fanboys its the ones that own a Ipod and cant get a Mac computer that are the crazy fanboys I mean dont get me wrong I like OS X, but windows isnt the devil or bad or anything like that, granted they are idoits deeming their music player the "ipod killer" however their OS is pretty amazing to think about it supports millions of applications, thosands of hardware components, I mean look how well they did the 360 when they got to choose the hardware. Windows is ok, but i love the the fact that apple doesnt have to devlop for 10,000 pieces of hardware and is one of the big reasons that people like Apple better, however not realizing that OS X only runs on a handfull of computers.
 

generik

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Blue Velvet said:
Funny how we've got a couple of 7 year old machines doing their bit, day in, day out at the office with never a single moment's service. Could say the same for most design places in London — you wouldn't believe how long people keep these machines running.

*typing on a 4 year old, perfectly reliable PowerMac*

Absolutely anecdotal. There are also tons of "My iBook died" threads around here too. So we have a bunch who have Macs that work, and just keep working... we also have those whose Macs just die off one morning, without even prior notice. What does that tell us?

Likewise, my point remains; if your perfectly reliable 4 year old Powermac dies tomorrow, what options are available to you?

Read: None, except either throw it away, or pay $500 or so to get it repaired.
 

dextertangocci

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Blue Velvet said:
At the moment, it's sealed batteries in things like iPods and especially the little remotes that come with FrontRow and the iPod Hifi.

It is SO easy to take out the battery of the Apple remote:)
 

generik

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bbrosemer said:
Id tend to agree, IBM is just as expensive as apple when it comes to anything computer releated, well now Lenevo is the Laptop maker, anyway also the mouse is nice for $62, I have never used a Laser Mouse only the LED ones and I have to say its nice, moreover, I would say most people I know that use macs arent the fanboys its the ones that own a Ipod and cant get a Mac computer that are the crazy fanboys I mean dont get me wrong I like OS X, but windows isnt the devil or bad or anything like that, granted they are idoits deeming their music player the "ipod killer" however their OS is pretty amazing to think about it supports millions of applications, thosands of hardware components, I mean look how well they did the 360 when they got to choose the hardware. Windows is ok, but i love the the fact that apple doesnt have to devlop for 10,000 pieces of hardware and is one of the big reasons that people like Apple better, however not realizing that OS X only runs on a handfull of computers.

That mouse might be ok, but I still can't get over how you need so much strength to push the button down on an Apple mouse. Suffice to say I probably have girlie strength fingers :p
 

milo

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Lack of quad core support in Logic Audio.

Bugs in the finder.

The crappiness that is Spotlight.

The lack of a desktop (headless) model between the mini and the tower.
 

livingfortoday

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generik said:
Absolutely anecdotal. There are also tons of "My iBook died" threads around here too. So we have a bunch who have Macs that work, and just keep working... we also have those whose Macs just die off one morning, without even prior notice. What does that tell us?

It tells us that people don't post on a Mac Forum looking for help because their Mac has been running for years without a problem?
 

someguy

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SteveRichardson said:
bring back ellen feiss
Ellen Feiss = Yum. (I'm young enough to say that without it being weird. :D )

That said, I like the new advertisements (assuming we're talking about the "I'm a PC" ad's). I think the general population feels the Mac is different than the PC in only negative ways; i.e. incombatible with the rest of the world, difficult/confusing to use, etc. These new ads, IMO, help to show people how green the grass really is on the Mac side.
 

bbrosemer

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generik said:
That mouse might be ok, but I still can't get over how you need so much strength to push the button down on an Apple mouse. Suffice to say I probably have girlie strength fingers :p
Have used the new one that is the only thing that kinda bothers me its almost too easy to push, but that could be just me I like having the firm click of the original BT mouse.
 
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