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Queso

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generik said:
Read: None, except either throw it away, or pay $500 or so to get it repaired.
Still a lot cheaper than the annual cost of a maintenance contract from most computer suppliers for a dual-processor workstation of that age.

Anyway, how the hell did this turn into a "let's slag off/defend everything about Apple" thread? I thought the point was to say what MOST irritated you.
 

Blue Velvet

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generik said:
Absolutely anecdotal.

There's plenty of evidence out there for the longer average length of time a Mac is used by its original owner, particularly desktops. And I know you know it.

If my 4-year old Mac dies tomorrow, then its lasted longer than most PCs.

I think we're comparing chalk and cheese here. Rev A consumer laptops with well-publicised teething problems vs. pro machines. You pays your money and takes your choice.
 

HardLine

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Blue Velvet said:
There's plenty of evidence out there for the longer average length of time a Mac is used by its original owner, particularly desktops. And I know you know it.

Because Dell, Gateway, and HP's are cheaper than Mac's maybe ...
 
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Because Dell, Gateway, and HP's are cheaper than Mac's maybe ...

Great. I'm glad we agree. Use a better quality computer for longer, or use several cheaper, poorer quality computers over the same period. Which is more pleasant option, and which is the more sustainable option. You have a think about that.
 

milo

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EricNau said:
I dislike the remotes for a different reason. At this point, they are just a gimmick. Where is my complete Media Center Mac? At this point Microsoft blows Apple out of the water when it comes to media center PCs.

You can just get EyeTV if you want a tuner.

HardLine said:
I'm going to stop this rant now and just say this. I was a Mac user for 3 months. I was impressed, but too many little things annoyed the hell out of me for me to stay on the platform. I'm back to using Windows XP.

So why are you still spending time on Apple message boards?
 

generik

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codo said:
1) Being so ballsy about product releases - No one actually cares that much.

This does remind me of another point too. Distinct market segmentation.

That's actually very annoying if you are aware of what they are trying to pull, think about it next time when you look at their line again.

Unlike the rest of the industry where a cheap PC and a top of the line "super" PC both can come in the same stupid looking standardised tin can casing, for Apple's offerings they practically restrict you right down to every component that they can. Heck, in fact in the very early days you can't even upgrade your Apple without making Steve a bit richer.

Which brings to the next point, fixed price points.

Do you know the real secret why people are always holding out for the next product rev? Well, you haven't heard it anywhere else! The secret is really because.... Apple products sell at a fixed price point.

Really, that's all there is basically.

Think about it. Say I am in the market for a laptop. So I come onto Apple's website, and decided that the top 2.0Ghz MBP is too pricey for me. No worries! I just spec a 1.83Ghz model, and click checkout for the win! 5 days later I receives my laptop, and Apple adds a new Core 2 based machine in the line up. Do I care? Nope, I wouldn't have gotten it anyway.

On the other hand, right now everyone is probably muling over how exactly do the features that come with the MBP justify an almost 90% increase in price over the MB (in fact I will even go as far to say that anyone buying a MBP today, fully aware of what might come out in WWDC, either did that on a) a stolen credit card b) his boss' credit card c) not his own credit card). Herein comes the trouble, there isn't all that much really. Besides the current models run rather warm, have no DL drives, and dings easily. Who is to say there wouldn't be a new carbon-fibre based design to bring the MBP to new heights in design? Or that perhaps Merom ones will run cooler? Or perhaps DL dvd burners? :eek:

Either way people all are looking for that extra something to sweeten what is already not-so-sweet a deal. In short, if people actually have choices, we'd all just buy what we need and be happy with it. If we are told what to want OTOH, we wait for revs and place our orders straight after, with a gleeful feeling that we've gamed the system and gotten extra value for our money (we didn't, we are still suckers, but that feeling helps).
 

milo

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emotion said:
Switch to Ableton Live 6. Should be out by September. :)

Yowch, that's a painful thought. And isn't it a bit premature to be recommending software that hasn't shipped yet? By that point Logic may be updated for quad support.
 

Blue Velvet

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HardLine said:
Because Dell, Gateway, and HP's are cheaper than Mac's maybe ...

You think that anything Gateway produces is comparable to a PowerMac? Let alone the productivity gains of using a Mac... just so you know, I use both at work day-in, day-out. It's not the Macs that need onsite IT support.

Again, show us the price difference of an identically specced out Mac vs. an off-the-shelf machine.
 

generik

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Blue Velvet said:
There's plenty of evidence out there for the longer average length of time a Mac is used by its original owner, particularly desktops. And I know you know it.

Quite frankly you can keep your 4 year old PM. It doesn't matter if I know it. The real question here is, "do Mac users like old things, or was that old mac such a big investment that the owner still clings on to it?"

Statements like "the old Mac is very usable" is hogwash to me. I can make a Pentium III 1Ghz machine really "shine" too, considering parts for them are so cheap nowadays.

Blue Velvet said:
If my 4-year old Mac dies tomorrow, then its lasted longer than most PCs.

You really want to take me up on a bet on this? I've never had a PC fail on me in my nearly 12 years of PC computing. Sure the software stinks (think back to the ancient Windows 95 days), but hardware wise if you'd as you put it, pay your cash, you do get decent quality.

Besides IME if it doesn't die in the first few months, just take decent care of it (ie: not give it hot showers each day) and it'd basically last you for the rest of your life.. or at least until you grow sick of it. Here's a heads up, electronics have no moving parts in them, they do not "wear out". So long as you don't power your PC on and off each minute and you didn't scrimp when you purchase it, I fail to see why a PC won't outlast a Mac.

Blue Velvet said:
I think we're comparing chalk and cheese here. Rev A consumer laptops with well-publicised teething problems vs. pro machines. You pays your money and takes your choice.

Pro machines? Like the goops of $2499 thermal paste that Apple sells bundled with a free laptop plonked in the middle of it?
 

bbrosemer

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Hardline said:
I'm going to stop this rant now and just say this. I was a Mac user for 3 months. I was impressed, but too many little things annoyed the hell out of me for me to stay on the platform. I'm back to using Windows XP.
Umm yeah the little annoyances like Software updates when you have to restart, or worse yet ahh when Safari crashes and asks me if I would like to send the error report to Apple, O wait it could have been the fact that you use Firefox anyway on XP, that the only Microsoft product that you use on your computer is XP, not there movie maker, or their neat folders with Filmstrip view, or the built in media player which is just sooo amazing. Personally I would like to know these little "annoyances" becasue personally the big ones were the ones that bothered me in XP, not the little ones, also if I really want to I can rid myself of the "little annoyances" and boot up XP, and I have need not worry because if I have a problem it will be sent to Microsoft and they of course will fix it.
 

generik

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HardLine said:
iTunes is over priced and has DRM, that's a big kick in the bum

Between Fairplay and WMA guess which one I prefer? If you want legal there is no alternative to DRM, at least until RIAA outgrows their shortsightedness.

If you don't care, then hey, why do you care if it is expensive. You ain't paying anyway!
 

milo

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HardLine said:
iTunes is over priced and has DRM, that's a big kick in the bum

So where can you buy mp3's of major label songs without DRM? Where are they cheaper? And where are they for sale at higher quality?
 

emotion

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HardLine said:
not to mention the sound quality of itunes music. you wonder why people pirate music, it's often posted at 256 or 320 kbps mp3 file.

Y'know I'll agree this time. I don't like any mp3/mp4. Wav/AIFF all the way.
 

emotion

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milo said:
So where can you buy mp3's of major label songs without DRM? Where are they cheaper? And where are they for sale at higher quality?

I don't know about major labels but there are quite a few sites that offer all of the above, legally. Especially when working at UK prices for iTMS.
 

Blue Velvet

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generik said:
The real question here is, "do Mac users like old things, or was that old mac such a big investment that the owner still clings on to it?"

Neither. It still easily holds its own for what it was designed to do... i.e. manipulate graphics for press faster than I can operate the keyboard. Why replace what works?

You stick to your Mini, and I'll stick to my workhorses... IT fixes our PCs, we dropped our Mac support over 3 years ago because we no longer needed it and it hadn't been used for hardware support in the preceding three years before that; just pre-press setup.

Show me this magical 1ghz Pentium III that will cut through Creative Suite work, thanks.
 

milo

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HardLine said:

The russian site that skirts american copyright laws. Do you expect Apple to set up a russian shadow corporation in order to compete with this?

emotion said:
I don't know about major labels but there are quite a few sites that offer all of the above, legally. Especially when working at UK prices for iTMS.

A music store doesn't do me much good if it doesn't have the song I'm looking for.
 

Jiddick ExRex

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The Applecare. I have been without my laptop for 1 and a half month now. Not cool.

The price of a machine in Denmark is about half the cost in the US. Yes, that's pretty darn annoying!
 

emotion

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milo said:
A music store doesn't do me much good if it doesn't have the song I'm looking for.

I didn't say online stores that have major label stuff didn't exist only that I only know for certain about ones that stock the slightly less mainstream stuff.
 
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