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hovscorpion12

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Apple does not need to bring Final Cut Pro to iPadOS. LumaFusion is the best alternative But does lack some abilities.

what I would like to see is Apple work with LumaFusion devs directly to push the app to the highest With plug-ins and multi-stream edits. The UI needs to be redesigned.
 

hovscorpion12

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In order for Apple to bring FCPX, they would need to allow

1. Full access to the 8 & 16GB RAM
2. Mult-monitor support
3. Up to 5 4K ProRes streams
2. Up to 2 8K ProRes streams
 

Unregistered 4U

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The thing is, people are talking about the iPad as if it shouldnt exist. I find it mind blowing. I always here the same “niche” users talking about the iPad as failure because it doesnt run Final Cut pro or some other niche app.
Very recently, I’ve been regularly entertained by folks using systems that sell around 20 million a year calling things that sell in far greater numbers “niche”. :)
 
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Ludatyk

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Apple does not need to bring Final Cut Pro to iPadOS. LumaFusion is the best alternative But does lack some abilities.

what I would like to see is Apple work with LumaFusion devs directly to push the app to the highest With plug-ins and multi-stream edits. The UI needs to be redesigned.
I agree.

But I actually prefer Apple to buy out LumaFusion, similar to what they did with DarkSky… having Apple resources will do wonders for LumaFusion. And we all know LumaFusion is the best video editor out for iOS/iPadOS…. Apple should go further and make it comparable to Final Cut Pro on macOS.
 

rui no onna

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Very recently, I’ve been regularly entertained by folks using systems that sell around 20 million a year calling things that sell in far greater numbers “niche”. :)

This got me curious so I googled how many users there are of Final Cut Pro:


It seems to me the iPad Pros sell more than that every year. iPads as a whole sell more every quarter. Last statistics I saw showed 80 million iPad user base. Granted, majority probably with entry level or older models but still, that’s a lot more iPad users than FCP users.
 

sparksd

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I agree.

But I actually prefer Apple to buy out LumaFusion, similar to what they did with DarkSky… having Apple resources will do wonders for LumaFusion. And we all know LumaFusion is the best video editor out for iOS/iPadOS…. Apple should go further and make it comparable to Final Cut Pro on macOS.
Rather doubt that Apple will buy - LumaFusion is currently being ported to Android & Chrome OS.
 

Ludatyk

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Rather doubt that Apple will buy - LumaFusion is currently being ported to Android & Chrome OS.
You are probably right about doubting it. But DarkSky was on Android when Apple decided to purchase it, I don't think that's a legitimate reason for Apple to hesitate on acquiring LumaFusion. It's all a matter of whether they can come up with the right numbers to benefit both parties.
 

sracer

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It's up to the customers to decide what it's for. It's up to Apple to support its customers.
It's up to Apple to increase how much money they can pull from their customers. Perpetually content customers don't buy stuff. Sure, Apple will make their customers feel like they made a great purchasing decision to buy Apple products and services, but then Apple has to introduce discontent with that they currently have so that they buy the next new thing.

This is why when the Apple Pencil was first released, it was "revolutionary" and a buttery-smooth experience. But when they want to sell the Pencil 2, suddenly the 1st gen Pencil is a laggy stuttering mess. ;) Turn on the FOMO-generator and away we go.
 
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Ludatyk

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It seems to me the iPad Pros sell more than that every year. iPads as a whole sell more every quarter. Last statistics I saw showed 80 million iPad user base. Granted, majority probably with entry level or older models but still, that’s a lot more iPad users than FCP users.
You bring up a good point.

That's why I'm of the understanding that those who are loud/vocal or negative gets a reaction instead of those who are not (case in point this thread). The problem with the iPad is that it's hated among traditionalist... those who heavily favor macOS/windows and see the iPad as a toy.

If someone was to make a post... putting the iPad in a good light, explaining their workflow on a daily basis then it wouldn't get the exposure as this post has garnered.
 
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sparksd

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You are probably right about doubting it. But DarkSky was on Android when Apple decided to purchase it, I don't think that's a legitimate reason for Apple to hesitate on acquiring LumaFusion. It's all a matter of whether they can come up with the right numbers to benefit both parties.

Got me curious about the company itself (Luma Touch LLC) and was surprised to see that their Seattle office is only 15 minutes from my house.
 

sparksd

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It's up to Apple to increase how much money they can pull from their customers. Perpetually content customers don't buy stuff. Sure, Apple will make their customers feel like they made a great purchasing decision to buy Apple products and services, but then Apple has to introduce discontent with that they currently have so that they buy the next new thing.

This is why when the Apple Pencil was first released, it was "revolutionary" and a buttery-smooth experience. But when they want to sell the Pencil 2, suddenly the 1st gen Pencil is a laggy stuttering mess. ;) Turn on the FOMO-generator and away we go.

Profits drive the guy in the big office - Mr. Stock Price.
 
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Got me curious about the company itself (Luma Touch LLC) and was surprised to see that their Seattle office is only 15 minutes from my house.
I think, based on absolutely nothing, that they’re expanding to Android for a reason. They may know ahead of time that sales of their iPad app may start to decline for that, heretofore unknown, reason.
 

sparksd

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I think, based on absolutely nothing, that they’re expanding to Android for a reason. They may know ahead of time that sales of their iPad app may start to decline for that, heretofore unknown, reason.

They're getting a lot of press on it tied to the release of the Galaxy Tab S8 family and there's not really a comparable competitor on Android - there's money to be had there and, with a non-subscription model, you need to expand the host base to maintain a revenue stream.
 
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ikir

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If we don't get Final Cut for the M1 iPad Pro at WWDC, I am closing the book on this experiment. I do not need an M1 to read comic books and magazines or run lowend apps that are fine on the iPhone. The $300 iPad will suffice. The iPad "Pro" will have been a failed opportunity with no pro apps. I would never recommend an iPad Pro over the M1 Macbook Air. Apple has even lost Vitticci at this point, which is amazing.
LUMA Fusion is quite impressive on iPadOS

iPad is incredible as an iPad and it becomes more useful every year but it must be simpler too. Sure I would welcome FinalCut Pro on iPad but I would still use it on my Macs
 
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rui no onna

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I think, based on absolutely nothing, that they’re expanding to Android for a reason. They may know ahead of time that sales of their iPad app may start to decline for that, heretofore unknown, reason.

Or, you know, market saturation. I’m not fond of it but I understand why apps often go the subscription or IAP route.
 

ikir

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Major changes to the IOS file system before FCP comes to the iPad.

will most likely happen. Because sales have really slumped if they wanna save the iPad.
Still they sell more iPad than most notebooks brands. Our idea of slumped sales are quite funny.
 

Vjosullivan

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The thing is, people are talking about the iPad as if it shouldnt exist. I find it mind blowing. I always here the same “niche” users talking about the iPad as failure because it doesnt run Final Cut pro or some other niche app.
Nobody has said it shouldn't exist. Nobody has said it's a failure because is doesn't run Final Cup Pro. What they have said is the there is no good reason why the iPad shouldn't be able to run FCP. The hardware is capable. Apple can choose to make iOS capable, too.
 
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Digitalguy

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I think, based on absolutely nothing, that they’re expanding to Android for a reason. They may know ahead of time that sales of their iPad app may start to decline for that, heretofore unknown, reason.
Let me tell you the real reason. Samsung is paying for that. They have done that before with other apps and games, including Clip Studio. How does it work? The usual way is they get in touch with the company, ask them if they would like to collaborate with them and typically book them an exclusivity on the Galaxy Store for a given period of time, say 3 months (after which the app will be available on the Play Store too). They give the company an undisclosed amount of money in exchange for this exclusivity and the promotion of the app in Samsung marketing. This money of course helps financing the porting of the app to Android. Another variant is they "buy" either the "app" for the galaxy store (so it's free there, but not on Android in general, e.g. Note-shelf) or they pay for, say, 6 months free for Galaxy users. Win-win for both. Samsung gets important apps on their devices and these companies diversify into Android devices.
 

sparksd

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Let me tell you the real reason. Samsung is paying for that. They have done that before with other apps and games, including Clip Studio. How does it work? The usual way is they get in touch with the company, ask them if they would like to collaborate with them and typically book them an exclusivity on the Galaxy Store for a given period of time, say 3 months (after which the app will be available on the Play Store too). They give the company an undisclosed amount of money in exchange for this exclusivity and the promotion of the app in Samsung marketing. This money of course helps financing the porting of the app to Android. Another variant is they "buy" either the "app" for the galaxy store (so it's free there, but not on Android in general, e.g. Note-shelf) or they pay for, say, 6 months free for Galaxy users. Win-win for both. Samsung gets important apps on their devices and these companies diversify into Android devices.

Yep. Samsung needs "pro apps" for their new tablets and LumaFusion running on an S8 Ultra would be pretty nice.
 
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sparksd

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Yep. Samsung needs "pro apps" for their new tablets and LumaFusion running on an S8 Ultra would be pretty nice.

Having said that, I do wonder how well LumaFusion will perform on the S8 Ultra after seeing its Geekbench scores - 925/2709 vs 1712/7285 on my M1 12.9. btw, those S8 scores are the "corrected" numbers following the scam Samsung played with Geekbench -

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s8_series_also_banned_from_geekbench-news-53566.php

But the M1 iPP is overpowered ... /s
 

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Digitalguy

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Having said that, I do wonder how well LumaFusion will perform on the S8 Ultra after seeing its Geekbench scores - 925/2709 vs 1712/7285 on my M1 12.9. btw, those S8 scores are the "corrected" numbers following the scam Samsung played with Geekbench -

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s8_series_also_banned_from_geekbench-news-53566.php

But the M1 iPP is overpowered ... /s
The issue has been corrected, so those scores are no longer the real ones, provided you disable GOS for Lumafusion (it's still enabled by default, but you can disable for each app). The real scores are more in line with the 9th gen iPad.
I have never pushed Luma to the limits as I only edited 1080p30 videos, which worked fine even on my 2015 iPad pro (now sold), but my guess is that performance will be good even for 4k editing, just not as good as M1, which is not a big deal
 

bradman83

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I've said it once and I'll say it again, there is nothing special about Apple putting the M1 in the iPad Pro (and now the Air). The M1 is literally the same chip an A14X would have been - it's scaled up from the A14's microarchitecture exactly how the A12Z was scaled up from the A12. It would have found up in the iPad either which way regardless of what Apple named it.

That's not to say that the increased RAM and processing power doesn't unlock significant potential, and apps like Lightroom, Affinity Photo, and ProCreate absolutely tap into that. iPad's biggest limitation is that it will always be touch-first, and apps need to be designed around that. Windows 10 shows how hard it can be to pull off a hybrid touch/desktop OS to the point that Microsoft basically gave up on it.
 
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