I kinda doubt that.There’s a BIG MAD-on for the iPad and people aren’t going to let that go!
Lol, I’m actually wondering how many complaint threads we’ll see post-WWDC. ???
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iPad Pro If we don't get Final Cut for the M1 iPad Pro at WWDC, I am closing the book on this experiment.
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Lol, I’m actually wondering how many complaint threads we’ll see post-WWDC. ???
And if you look at Apple chipset development from A9X > A10X > A12X/Z, the iPad Pros paved the ground for the M1 Macs. Without the iPad Pro paying for R&D and acting as guinea pigs, Macs may not have gotten the M1 this soon.
I see college students buying Macs every year. The Mac is not going away. The iPod came after the Mac and still died before the Mac. When the iPad was announced people said the Mac will be dead in 10 years well that's not true.
The Mac also has more horse power. More SoC options. The fact Apple released the Mac Studio and is going to release the Mac Pro and a redesigned MacBook Air shows that the Mac is alive
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From Apple’s perspective, I guess it’s easier for them to use an existing M1 chip than design a separate A14X chip. So you get economies of scale (your iPad Pro and air models use the same processor as your entry level Macs), bragging rights, and your iPads will likely get supported for longer as well (8gb of ram should make the iPad fairly future-proof).
I don’t think people are complaining that their iPads are “too good”.
That's a mighty say. The iPad Pros are a niche product that Ape used as a test bed.
99% of revenue for Apple Sillicon came cause of the iPhone.
This is just simply not true. We are living in the age of record Mac sales.
Apple’s said that half of people buying Macs are new to the Mac. In an average year of 20 or so million Macs, that’s 10 million new Macs. By comparison, last year, 11 million AR/VR headsets were sold. It’s a respectable market, and a number that leads to revenues (due to the higher price) that are greater than the iPad’s. But, in the big picture, there’s a lot more individuals choosing the iPad than are choosing the Mac.
I’m curious to see what the sales end up being for this year. While it’s not quite normal (may become the new normal?) as we’re still dealing with component shortages, I wonder if the prevailing Mac unit sales trend before 2021 will continue downward.
I’m still waiting to see if 2021 is an anomaly or a new rule. Prior to then, Mac unit sales were pretty much the same every year with a slight, maybe insignificant downward trend. 2021 broke out of that and I think they sold more Macs than they ever had before (don’t feel like searching now, maybe later). 2022 sales are still going to be impacted by parts shortages, but we should have an idea where the trend is heading.
Well yeah. The cheapest iPad starts at $329 and the a portable Mac us $999.
It is respectful market and the Mac has a huge fan base just like the iPad has.
It may because Apple is actually make good Macs again. The 2016 era macs were awful.
And that’s part of what I’m curious about as well, because we all know folks on this forum that are still holding onto old systems because even these aren’t enough. Was that bump due to the folks that stopped waiting and that’s all over now? Should be interesting to see.
Exactly. The iPad Pros are the test bed.
Yes, the building blocks came from iPhones but the iPad Pros’ profits are likely sufficient to pay for R&D on the beefed up X chipsets without touching iPhone profits.
Iirc, I remember seeing a statistic showing the ff sales breakdown:
57% iPad
19% iPad Air
17% iPad Pro (presumably combined 11” & 12.9”)
Apple sells around 30-40 million iPads a year. Even at the lower end of 30 million, that’s still ~5 million iPad Pros sold. If we assume ~$900 ASP, that’s around $4+ billion revenue they wouldn’t have otherwise.
I would not pay much attention those folks. They probably want upgradeable RAM and SSD. There's still some here that use PowerPC Macs
What most people wanted was a great keyboard that does not break, ports, performance.
Now the majority Mac users is happy ie the MacBook crowd and also the mac mini/Studio crowd. This was not the case during 2016-2019 era.
My last Mac was a Unibody MacBook (Late 2009); I did indeed upgrade the RAM (4GB to 8GB) & the storage; I used some OWC dealio that let me put my 320GB HDD where the optical drive was, and I added a 128GB SSD where the original HDD was...
LOL, the very first brand new Mac (clone) I bought for myself was a Power Computing PowerTower Pro 225 with a PowerPC 604e CPU...!
I am wanting to get both a Mac mini & a 11" iPad Pro; just waiting to see what comes next for both products before I purchase either...
11" iPad Pro - Procreate, Swift Playgrounds, reading books/comics/magazines & watching streaming video (mainly Hulu & YouTube) while on the couch or in bed...
Mac mini - Blender, Xcode, World of Warcraft, watching streaming video (okay, Disney+ & Paramount+ as well) while at the desk...
Email, messaging & such from either at any time...
Regarding the streaming video; yeah, I am a big Marvel & Star Wars/Trek fan...
Hoping to see the Mac mini with a M2 SoC, preferably a M2 Pro...
11" iPad Pro would be fine with a M1 SoC; but would like to see mini LED (if not OLED) and the option for 16GB of RAM regardless of how much storage is specified...
Main thing I would like to see on the iPad Pro is EXTENDED monitor support (meaning monitor #2, not a mirror of the iPad display)...!
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I was referring to sales and how these users don't have huge impact on Mac sales now.
Sorry if I made you upset.
I was not upset at all, just making a few comments on past Macs I have owned...
I don’t see “pro apps” ever, ever happening at this point. I think IF - and this is a big if, but if we get anything of the sort, we get a “Dex” like mode that M1 and above iPad models are able to boot into that are able to run the desktop programs. I’ll be honest, I don’t even think we get that but I can somewhat see a reality where that happens. But to me, it’s painfully clear with Universal Control that Apple is hellbent on people having both a Mac AND an iPad (Pro) and not one device to rule them all. And for what it’s worth - I am very pro-Pro apps, I support fully peoples desire to see it happen. But, idk, I just think that ship has sailed. I think a lot of looked way too far into Apple putting M1 into iPads and I really have come to accept that it actually could be nothing more than what made the most business and economical sense for Apple.
Also, different uses for each device. An iPad as an everyday aide to certain tasks as it's more portable than a laptop.
Agreed. But this is probably what they said about laptops or computers when they were first invented.
Ah, so likely a one time blip. Sales this year will show if how many folks want a Mac has increased.
I mean everything is down this year due to lots of issues even smartphones. The fact is Apple would not let go of the Mac like they did to the iPod.
I have no problem with this post. You wish the iPad Pro had capability that it doesn’t, so you don’t see the value in it for yourself, and therefore you wouldn’t recommend it to anyone else. That’s all perfectly reasonable. To be honest, I agree the MacBook Air is probably a better purchase for most people over the iPad Pro.
There are other posts in this thread and many other similar threads that are not reasonable though. Those would be the ones stating the notion that Apple is somehow doing us dirty by not making the iPad Pro more like a Mac, with arguments such as it has the same chip as the Mac, it’s as or more expensive as/than a Mac, and Apple “lied” with its advertisements or “Pro” moniker.
But Apple could make an iPad Plaid, put a supercomputer chip in it, price it at $80,000, still running the current iPadOS, and they would still owe nobody anything. It’s up to the customer if they want to buy it. Nobody would buy this iPad Plaid, which is why they don’t make it. But people have been buying (and keeping) the iPad Pro, because it’s worth it to them. Some may make use of the speed, some may not—some people just like nice fast cars. Anyone whose vision isn’t impaired by their own biases of what they want the iPad to be can plainly see that Apple’s advertisements are simply trying to get people to consider buying an iPad if it meets their needs—no promises or lies are made. The ”Pro” argument doesn’t hold up because for one thing, pro hardware generally never means pro software, so the word is being used consistently across products—and for another, it’s just a vague word anyway, not a promise.
Again, expressing personal wishes/frustrations is reasonable. But I see no grounds here for placing any kind of moral blame on Apple for not doing what we wish. Companies ought to operate as they see fit, as long as they are not breaking laws, harming customers, or destroying the environment.
I have to ask, why specifically would one want FCP over iMovie on an iPad?
I understand that a typical FCP user would want a Mac since there are many other apps and tasks that benefit from macOS, but I don't see how these workflows would translate to iPad. On a Mac you just expect things to work - dragging and dropping, converting and editing files, managing multiple large interfaces and more. iPad is at most a prosumer device that has to balance the needs and expectations of a very wide demographic, from children to grandparents.
iMovie is a very capable app, and while obviously not as comprehensive as FCP, I would imagine many users turn their head at it simply because it's not a "pro" app.
I understand that a typical FCP user would want a Mac since there are many other apps and tasks that benefit from macOS, but I don't see how these workflows would translate to iPad. On a Mac you just expect things to work - dragging and dropping, converting and editing files, managing multiple large interfaces and more. iPad is at most a prosumer device that has to balance the needs and expectations of a very wide demographic, from children to grandparents.
iMovie is a very capable app, and while obviously not as comprehensive as FCP, I would imagine many users turn their head at it simply because it's not a "pro" app.