iPad Pro If we don't get Final Cut for the M1 iPad Pro at WWDC, I am closing the book on this experiment.

[BhaveshUK]

I think it’s possible to do all of your video editing on an iPad Pro with Lumafusion. One of my favorite iPad-centric content channels on YouTube is produced all on an iPad Pro and has been for years.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChristopherLawleyUntitledSite/featured

I believe he uses Lumafusion.

One of my favourite YouTubers! He used to use Lumafusion, but he's recently moved to a Mac + iPad workflow. In one of his most recent videos, he stated he wanted to see Final Cut on iPad and why he moved away from Lumafusion and iPad only workflow.

 

[GuruZac]

One of my favourite YouTubers! He used to use Lumafusion, but he's recently moved to a Mac + iPad workflow. In one of his most recent videos, he stated he wanted to see Final Cut on iPad and why he moved away from Lumafusion and iPad only workflow.

I do remember him buying the new 14” MacBook Pro do more horsepower. It’s amazing what he was and still is able to do with Lumafusion! Great channel.

 

[BhaveshUK]

I do remember him buying the new 14” MacBook Pro do more horsepower. It’s amazing what he was and still is able to do with Lumafusion! Great channel.

Agreed. It's incredible to see someone build such a prolific YouTube channel through their iPad alone. A great case study for what's possible when someone works with the tool they have, rather than wishing it was some other device.

I love using Lumafusion for my own YouTube videos. It's a very versatile app which can take a video project very far. Alongside Affinity Designer/ Photo, the iPad possesses a lot of creative potential for professional use. Hopefully on Monday Apple announce an update that will enable more professional workflows and take iPad even further.

 

[bettaboy123]

I think you and I are very similar. I've emboldened what you wrote "does almost everything". That's where my frustrations are ultimately coming from. Like yourself, I bought the iPad Pro 2 years ago when I was at that enthusiast level and didn't have too many big workflows. Where the iPad has become a bottleneck for me is when I moved to a professional level + suddenly having more extensive travel needs.

I understand Apple would love to sell me a MacBook as well but it doesn't work like that Apple ? I do think my situation is quite unique. I have a bad back (and had a spinal surgery) so when travelling I take weight and space very seriously. Taking two devices (MacBook and iPad) on the go is a non-negotiable - I need one device that weighs at most 3 pounds or so, and will do everything I need.

I'm considering all my needs very carefully. Where I am is this: I essentially need a full computer for my work tasks which also enables direct drawing input on screen for illustration purposes and will weigh between 2-3 pounds. Apple unfortunately doesn't sell that and I think you're on the money that they're not changing that anytime soon. I absolutely love iPad but I can't wait years for iPad OS to reach the professional levels I need right now.



I think they should start making your post required reading before anyone buys an iPad or any other device! ?

I'm in agreement with everything you've said. I'm waiting until after Monday to make any decisions for sure. I'll definitely keep my iPad Pro regardless and not sell it as I'm sure it will get updates for years to come (and then I don't need to shell out money for a new iPad in the future).

The main selling point you mentioned of draw, illustrate or annotate with a Pencil is exactly what I need. But I need a full computer behind that as well when travelling because my needs have grown to become more complex than what they were 2 years ago. Equally, as mentioned before, I have a bad back so I need to be realistic about weight meaning one fully-capable device makes much more sense.

We have different workflows. I’m an assistant manager and bartender at a bar, so I use my iPad for note taking during meetings, going over training documents and taking notes for each trainee’s shift, doing inventory, and ordering. That’s about where using my iPad as a work tool ends.

For personal use, the most demanding thing I’ve done with it is building my next apartment in Sketchup to figure out where to put all the furniture or designing posters for a swing dancing club I’m part of. I also use it in conjunction with my laptop while playing Cities Skylines as a second monitor or to draw on screenshots to plan out new communities. Otherwise, it does normal tablet things like messaging, email, reading books, web browsing, watching video, etc. The Pencil has been great for drawing out bike ride paths and taking notes for chores and stuff.

But when I’m honest with myself, I know I don’t need an iPad Pro, and I could have gotten a cheaper device to do all of this, but I’m glad I got this one. I still remember the original iPad unveiling and seeing the Surface around the same time and knowing that was the computing future for me. I’ve had so many iPads over the years (1, 3, 4, Air 1, Pro 9.7, and now Pro 11) that I knew this would suit my needs perfectly.

If your needs have changed, it may be time to look outside the walled garden into machines like the Surface Pro or any of the many 2-in-1 Windows laptops on the market.

 

[Username-already-in-use]

I just don’t understand the pouting about Final Cut Pro on the iPad. Lots and lots of Macs will do the job nicely. I don’t understand the drama honestly. Getting an iPad and complaining that Mac apps don’t work on it, really?

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

If we don't get Final Cut for the M1 iPad Pro at WWDC, I am closing the book on this experiment. I do not need an M1 to read comic books and magazines or run lowend apps that are fine on the iPhone. The $300 iPad will suffice. The iPad "Pro" will have been a failed opportunity with no pro apps. I would never recommend an iPad Pro over the M1 Macbook Air. Apple has even lost Vitticci at this point, which is amazing.

It’s really our own fault, collectively.

-Why would Apple make any significant changes to the iPad formula when it repeatedly sells and sells?

It’s not going to change as long as Apple just upgrades it like they’ve all done.

The average iPad Pro buyer is just someone who wants to consume media and feels that it’s necessary to have the social capital of doing so on the most expensive tablet available from the brand with the best brand recognition.

As long as the specs, displays and design keeps getting better and better then consumers will keep buying.

There will never be pro apps for iPads nor a proper file management system, or really anything that could replace the key parts of a Mac.

Product segmentation is king at Apple inc. -If you want to do computer/creative work on an M1 then you get a Mac. If you want to just consume media on the same M1 then you get an iPad.

One product for every use case. No all-in-one products or anything remotely resembling an all-in-one device. End of story.

 

[rui no onna]

The average iPad Pro buyer is just someone who wants to consume media and feels that it’s necessary to have the social capital of doing so on the most expensive tablet available from the brand with the best brand recognition.

What social capital?

Most people probably wouldn't notice unless you specifically point it out or there's another iPad to compare with directly. Even then, I doubt many will be familiar with the price points since that's not something most will care about unless shopping specifically for that device.

And all things considered, the price of the iPad Pro is a drop in a bucket when compared to designer handbags, jewelries, $10K+ overseas trips/cruises, luxury cars, etc. It's a joke to boast about the iPad Pro while driving a Corolla when everyone else has a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Audi or Tesla.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

I just don’t understand the pouting about Final Cut Pro on the iPad. Lots and lots of Macs will do the job nicely. I don’t understand the drama honestly. Getting an iPad and complaining that Mac apps don’t work on it, really?

Different people have different needs -Many video, 3D, and motion graphics artists and editors would benefit wildly and would pay handsomely to get to edit directly on the best tablet money can buy.

And yet, they’re forced to do so on non-Apple tablets or on Macs with no touch or Apple Pencil input.

Just because you don’t have use for it doesn’t mean that it’s like that for everyone.

Yes, people buy iPads Pro and are surprised by how extremely limited it is.. because it’s genuinely mind boggling how limited it is considering how incredible the specs and the M1 chip is are.

The iPad Pro is like charging people $999+ for a ride in the worlds fastest sports car, and showing one ad after the other about how fast the car is and how much effort and expertise it took to make it go as fast as it does. Then, when people have paid and hit the gas, you’ve throttled the car to only go 30 mph.

WTF, Apple?

Stop doing “Pro” devices if it’s nothing more than hyperbole.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

What social capital?

Most people probably wouldn't notice unless you specifically point it out or there's another iPad to compare with directly. Even then, I doubt many will be familiar with the price points since that's not something most will care about unless shopping specifically for that device.

And all things considered, the price of the iPad Pro is a drop in a bucket when compared to designer handbags, jewelries, $10K+ overseas trips/cruises, luxury cars, etc. It's a joke to boast about the iPad Pro while driving a Corolla when everyone else has a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Audi or Tesla.

So people are getting iPads Pro because they need all that M1 power to run Blender, Premiere Pro or Final Cut?

Oh, wait, it doesn’t run those or really anything comparable.

Please explain to me why anyone is choosing a $799+ Pro over other iPads if it’s not because of Apple marketing it as a “Pro” device and boasting about its high end features (that are pointless since it runs the same apps as the non-Pro iPads).

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

Apple isn’t doing consumers a favor by refusing to do an iPad running MacOS, or by not allowing an Apple Pencil compatible Mac.

It’s just a way to get us to buy more devices at a bigger total cost rather than fewer that are more capable at a lower total cost.

 

[HiVolt]

True, then again, the iPad was never meant for laptop replacement, but as an aide.

Then why did they put the M1 in it, and now even in an iPad Air. Waste IMO.

 

[Digitalguy]

So people are getting iPads Pro because they need all that M1 power to run Blender, Premiere Pro or Final Cut?

Oh, wait, it doesn’t run those or really anything comparable.

Please explain to me why anyone is choosing a $799+ Pro over other iPads if it’s not because of Apple marketing it as a “Pro” device and boasting about its high end features (that are pointless since it runs the same apps as the non-Pro iPads).

iPad pro is generally not a work tool. People buy it because of hardware more than software. Because scrolling is smoother with promotion, sound is better with quad-speakers and watching HDR videos or videos in the dark is nicer with mini led... And with much more RAM things stay open much longer.
These are the true reasons and are far from pointless... (plus, sure, a couple of easily amazed people who think they absolutely need to have the "amazing" M1 in their tablet because that's so awesome...)

 

[sparksd]

So people are getting iPads Pro because they need all that M1 power to run Blender, Premiere Pro or Final Cut?

Oh, wait, it doesn’t run those or really anything comparable.

Please explain to me why anyone is choosing a $799+ Pro over other iPads if it’s not because of Apple marketing it as a “Pro” device and boasting about its high end features (that are pointless since it runs the same apps as the non-Pro iPads).

The M1 has been useful for me in processing large RAW image files (Lightroom) an 4k video (LumaFusion) - I had the previous 12.9 for processing comparisons. I find your last comment to be simply condescending.

 

[rui no onna]

So people are getting iPads Pro because they need all that M1 power to run Blender, Premiere Pro or Final Cut?

Oh, wait, it doesn’t run those or really anything comparable.

Please explain to me why anyone is choosing a $799+ Pro over other iPads if it’s not because of Apple marketing it as a “Pro” device and boasting about its high end features (that are pointless since it runs the same apps as the non-Pro iPads).

Frankly, screen size (12.9”). The aunties I know who bought it got it so they have a larger tablet to watch K-dramas. Most people I know buying the iPhone Pro Max are getting it for screen size as well rather than for any Pro features.

Guessing FaceID vs TouchID are also probably bigger considerations for the average Joe than what chipset and how much RAM the iPads have.

 

[mectojic]

Have you tried Lumafusion? Genuinely curious. I use it a lot, and it certainly feels like a Pro app. The only things that seem to limit it are Apple’s own iPad file management system (and ram limit).

 

[adb1973]

If we don't get Final Cut for the M1 iPad Pro at WWDC, I am closing the book on this experiment. I do not need an M1 to read comic books and magazines or run lowend apps that are fine on the iPhone. The $300 iPad will suffice. The iPad "Pro" will have been a failed opportunity with no pro apps. I would never recommend an iPad Pro over the M1 Macbook Air. Apple has even lost Vitticci at this point, which is amazing.

This is THE reason I sold my iPad Pro 2018 to replace it with a MacBook Air. At that time there were a lot of rumors FCP would arrive on the iPad Pro the processor was faster than the one in my MacBook Pro but it never materialized.
If Apple fails to port this to iPad Pro which was marketed as a production device for pros then the whole ipad pro product line becomes an obsolete branch. Beter rename it iPad Max then.

I use a MacBook Air now, why pay for a crippled device and an overpriced keyboard?

 

[Dealmans]

Frankly, screen size (12.9”). The aunties I know who bought it got it so they have a larger tablet to watch K-dramas. Most people I know buying the iPhone Pro Max are getting it for screen size as well rather than for any Pro features.

Guessing FaceID vs TouchID are also probably bigger considerations for the average Joe than what chipset and how much RAM the iPads have.

Expensive TV's.
M1 12.9" wifi 256gb = $1800AUD v my Sony 65" TV = $1900AUD.
Chuck in a folio case at $139 the TV was cheaper.

 

[rui no onna]

Expensive TV's.
M1 12.9" wifi 256gb = $1800AUD v my Sony 65" TV = $1900AUD.
Chuck in a folio case at $139 the TV was cheaper.

They have both. Usually, the husband watches sports on the big TV while the wife watches K-dramas on the iPad. ???

 

[Dealmans]

I closed the book after nearly a year, decided a 12.9" $1800 mini TV on my office desk next to my 24" iMac was just a really dumb decision, should of stuck with a 11" like I had for previous 2 years.
Got out while there was some value left in it.

 

[Dealmans]

They have both. Usually, the husband watches sports on the big TV while the wife watches K-dramas on the iPad. ???

lol sounds like me and my wife except she has a 11" and would be reading, she watches about 1% of the TV I do.

 

[Digitalguy]

I have been catching up with this thread and reading others and as I have said elsewhere, even before the rumors, I am confident Apple knows well iPadOS needs improvement and they will indeed improve multitasking.
What's funny is that, given the low expectations after the lackluster past 2 years, people will be very excited and start saying, iPad pro is finally fixed... Personally I don't think improved multitasking will make a huge difference.
Sure if they allow extended display support, that would be a big step forward (but the rumors don't mention much about that), but will still be far from turning the iPad pro into a MacBook replacement for a ton of people.
The main reason is that this won't bring any MacBook apps to the iPad. No full MS Office, no background syncing Dropbox (or any other cloud service), not even desktop Whatsapp for the many millions of professionals outside the US who mainly use Whatsapp to communicate with their clients instead of e-mail or SMS. Let's not even talk about Parallels and the possibility to run Windows-only software on Macs.
Only full MacOS (either as a virtualized "app", in dual boot or in some sort of sub-system), of course in addition and not as a replacement to iPadOS, could accomplished that. But, as I have said many times, that's not in Apple's interest.

 

[darngooddesign]

Then why did they put the M1 in it, and now even in an iPad Air. Waste IMO.

It was probably easier for them to build more M1s than build separate A# chips. And using the M1 sounds more impressive. Its not a waste or good or bad, it's just what it is using. Some people should just avoid iPads because they can't deal with them being iPads.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I just don’t understand the pouting about Final Cut Pro on the iPad. Lots and lots of Macs will do the job nicely. I don’t understand the drama honestly. Getting an iPad and complaining that Mac apps don’t work on it, really?

I think there’s a large number of Mac users that may feel left out of the light, always-online, convertible, touch-enabled party. They know the Mac is never going to be released as a tablet, it’s form factor is set and Apple allocates all tablet functions and development focus on the iPad. So, with no tablet Mac in sight, the only thing left is to hope the iPad can be the tablet Mac they want it to be.

Currently, Apple’s focused on the iPad being one thing and the Mac being another. However, as the Mac gets sold less and less as those people that grew up on Macs aren’t around to buy Macs anymore, in the same way that the Mac got the iPad’s processor to save money producing them, the final iterations of the Mac have the potential to be MacOS installed on an iPad to save money producing the enclosures. In my mind, they’d still only run Mac software with no touch screen and have the keyboard included.

 

[Boil]

macOS on the iPad Pro would be horrible, because it would require one to purchase at least 512GB of storage, and at that point one might as well pony up for at least 1TB of storage to get the bump from 8GB to 16GB of RAM...?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

people will be very excited and start saying, iPad pro is finally fixed...

I kinda doubt that. There’s a BIG MAD-on for the iPad and people aren’t going to let that go!