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iPad Pro If we don't get Final Cut for the M1 iPad Pro at WWDC, I am closing the book on this experiment.
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Sweet! In '75, I wanted to get an Altair but it cost the equivalent of $3100. Had to satisfy myself using my buddies'. Tried out Altair BASIC from some liitle company calling itself Micro-Soft, started by a couple of local weirdos here in Seattle. Seemed primitive compared to the mainframes I was working on at the time ...
Unfortunately some customers seem to have to learn this the hard way, instead of just understanding it from the get go.
The iPad will AWLAYS just be the iPad.
You don't seem to be able to think bigger than what's in front of you right now. Which is to say that the iPad could have, and was supposed to be, so much more. At first glance, people were right, it was an oversized iPod touch in terms of hardware. I believe Jobs and Forstall wanted it to differentiate it with software and that's why they kept saying it was "magical" and showing stargazing apps. But that never came to be for reasons we're all well aware of, and the current crop of leadership is too unimaginative to do anything about it. Extremely tragic given the hopes they (probably) had for a tablet device when they started the exercise back in 2001/2002, back when they said "lets show them how it's done" in response to the windows xp on tablet stuff.
Failed to live up to its potential, still sells well though.
> You do realize that what MOST folks need a computer for, email, web browsing, editing photos… those tasks can be done on an iPad.
And the funny thing is that replace-your-mac-with-an-ipad-fanboy-number-1 vittichi just admitted that he has been using a MacBook Pro to do all of this for the last six months, and found it to be really great. Hard to imagine a blogger needing much more than any of those tools you outlined, so why would he switch to a Mac?
You know what: I don't want apps like Final Cut on the iPad anymore. I am convinced that this form factor and operating system will never fit the needs of real Pro software. No really fast data management, no multiple monitor setup, no fast mouse + keyboard shortcuts interfaces etc.
The iPad is good as it is for iPad things, but not for the real productive stuff.
Did Apple fail? Possibly not. They are somehow positioning the iPads as stand alone but also as add ons to Mac computers. In their eyes these machines are what they were meant to be with some adjustments and approximations to macOS functionalities.
The only wish for most people would be they release an 12.9 inch iPad (Pro) for way less than $1,000/1.000€.
The iPad is good as it is for iPad things, but not for the real productive stuff.
Did Apple fail? Possibly not. They are somehow positioning the iPads as stand alone but also as add ons to Mac computers. In their eyes these machines are what they were meant to be with some adjustments and approximations to macOS functionalities.
The only wish for most people would be they release an 12.9 inch iPad (Pro) for way less than $1,000/1.000€.
Unlike the OP, I value making decisions on the reality that exists now rather than the fantasy of what some folks think will be. I bought an iPad Pro for what I use it for, not because I was CERTAIN that FCP and Logic Pro were on the way. Many millions of people are buying and enjoying the iPad for what it does. If in the future, some new features make what some people wish for REAL, those folks will enjoy that, too. Or, likely not, as the iPad already does what they need it to do.
Someone that, in 2011, was computing on an iMac and a MacBook Air is now computing on a Mac again? That’s not surprising, that’s expected. And, from reading the story, a part of that was just wanting to stay relevant as a writer. He says, “I don’t want to look back at MacStories in 10 years and regret I didn’t at least try macOS again.” When your relevance plays a lot into your livelihood, (and Apple’s offering a free Mac
) it would be silly NOT to ride the wave of the Apple Silicon Macs. He made money being the iPad-fanboy guy, I’m sure he’ll also make money being the ex-iPad-Mac-fanboy guy. I’m sure links to his story are making the rounds and will net him a lot of eyes (and maybe new subscribers). Which is perfectly fine.Not if one actually reads the story, he’s quite a bit more than just a blogger.
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This means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING… BUT:
I’d thought that Apple was not releasing a Lumafusion competitor because they wanted to allow time for that company to prepare for a potential drop in revenue. Well…
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I’d thought that Apple was not releasing a Lumafusion competitor because they wanted to allow time for that company to prepare for a potential drop in revenue. Well…
Samsung Unpacked: LumaFusion on Android - LumaTouch
Many of you reading this now might be here because you watched Samsung Unpacked, and watched with great joy to hear Samsung announce that LumaFusion on Android - and the Samsung Galaxy Tab S8 - will be available very soon! Samsung is a wonderful partner, and they are as excited as we are about our
luma-touch.com
What "Pro" means and requires differs wildly depending on what your profession is, and I won't make any claims as to what an iPad can or can't do for professions I'm not in.
With that caveat, the artist I work with is a professional by any definition of the word. Their full-time day job is illustrating manga, it's what puts a roof over their family's head and feeds their kid.
For years the tool of choice was a Windows laptop running Manga Studio then its successor Clip Studio Paint EX with a Wacom tablet. When the laptop was in need of replacement, they made the decision to switch to an iPad Pro (still running Clip Studio Paint EX, which is functionally identical to the desktop version) as their sole work machine (also main personal machine). No laptop on the side, the iPad is their computer.
A bit more than two years in, they're happy with it as a professional tool. Happy enough that they're now looking to upgrade to a 12.9" M1 Pro. There are some limitations and quirks, sure, but it does what it needs to for a professional comic illustrator, and has made remotely collaborating (editing, lettering, cleanup) much smoother from my end.
I've seen interviews with two or three different much-more-famous manga professionals in which they're also using iPad Pros, so this is at least one industry in which the Pro is what it says on the tin.
All that said, the fact that Clip Studio Paint EX has complete feature parity (and compatibility) with the desktop version is a big part of what makes it a viable platform for pros in the area.
With that caveat, the artist I work with is a professional by any definition of the word. Their full-time day job is illustrating manga, it's what puts a roof over their family's head and feeds their kid.
For years the tool of choice was a Windows laptop running Manga Studio then its successor Clip Studio Paint EX with a Wacom tablet. When the laptop was in need of replacement, they made the decision to switch to an iPad Pro (still running Clip Studio Paint EX, which is functionally identical to the desktop version) as their sole work machine (also main personal machine). No laptop on the side, the iPad is their computer.
A bit more than two years in, they're happy with it as a professional tool. Happy enough that they're now looking to upgrade to a 12.9" M1 Pro. There are some limitations and quirks, sure, but it does what it needs to for a professional comic illustrator, and has made remotely collaborating (editing, lettering, cleanup) much smoother from my end.
I've seen interviews with two or three different much-more-famous manga professionals in which they're also using iPad Pros, so this is at least one industry in which the Pro is what it says on the tin.
All that said, the fact that Clip Studio Paint EX has complete feature parity (and compatibility) with the desktop version is a big part of what makes it a viable platform for pros in the area.
The iPad is an ever-changing device. They make software changes every year. They know they have to give us new shiny stuff every year to keep us excited. I don't see anything wrong with wanting certain things in the changes we all know are coming. I really would be surprised if there wasn’t one feature that they implemented in the time the iPad has been out that they didn't plan to do in the beginning.
iPad sales have fallen though and money talks so that might mean Cookie has been in the kitchen so he can serve us up something nice next week.
If Apple releases FC you're still going to find something to "close the book over"; whether its external monitor support or needing another app/plugin. Just stick with your MacBook for video work.
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Personally, I don’t think the M1 is necessary for Pro Apps to work. People keep saying this, but I really don’t think Apple is going to limit the A Series iPad Pros that much especially since one of them is not even two years old and packs plenty of power. But yes…I would like to see at least some Pro Apps for the iPad Pro this year at WWDC.
Well, also we can say that a 20k Mac Pro actually has the software to take advantage of the hardware. It has a great OS. File management on iPad is a prank
I can save, copy, delete files in both list view and icon view. What is it that people want in “file management”? I mean, I do appreciate that folks have stopped saying that it should have a file system as it’s had one of those since the beginning.
Why not just use iMovie? Thats another question you need to ask too. If you need Final Cut on an iPad, what are the most critical features of the app itself you will need to consider it usable for Pro work. We already know, if they do launch it, its not gonna be a home run initially.
At the end of the day, I don’t need the iPad to be like my M1 MacBook Pro. I have a smart keyboard attached 100% of the time and it gives me just enough of the desktop functionality I need. I would love for a windowed mode option, but I want it to be just that, an option but I don’t want to lose the simplicity of what makes an iPad an iPad.
Steve Jobs reminded us once again how much he was a visionary. He proved with the iPad and the iPhone that most people needed just enough computing. I rarely use Microsoft Word or Excel on my iPad. I don’t need to edit movies and I don’t need Photoshop. Thats a representation of the vast majority of iPad users. If you turn the iPad into a Mac, it just might make the iPad sell less than then Mac. I am sure there are more iPads in use than there are macOS computers.
So, its a balancing act and I think at the end of the day, if you really need to use an app as complex as Final Cut Pro, please use a Mac.
At the end of the day, I don’t need the iPad to be like my M1 MacBook Pro. I have a smart keyboard attached 100% of the time and it gives me just enough of the desktop functionality I need. I would love for a windowed mode option, but I want it to be just that, an option but I don’t want to lose the simplicity of what makes an iPad an iPad.
Steve Jobs reminded us once again how much he was a visionary. He proved with the iPad and the iPhone that most people needed just enough computing. I rarely use Microsoft Word or Excel on my iPad. I don’t need to edit movies and I don’t need Photoshop. Thats a representation of the vast majority of iPad users. If you turn the iPad into a Mac, it just might make the iPad sell less than then Mac. I am sure there are more iPads in use than there are macOS computers.
So, its a balancing act and I think at the end of the day, if you really need to use an app as complex as Final Cut Pro, please use a Mac.
Given the likely lower sales price, iPads likely outsell macs 2:1. Sales has dropped because the longevity of iPads and the Macs have gotten new ASi. Projecting the demise of iPads in this situation seems to be premature.
IPads are tightly linked to services and cloud usage so expecting full support on external drives using different formatting options etc is totally besides the idea off the iPad.
The mentioned “pro” software often require large screens and using a device that is designed for portable for primarily desk work seem to be a really bad fit. A Mac is a better choice for this kind of work. Who is surprised? Using the laptops as pen and paper replacement is on the other hand a really bad fit.
Do you homework before you buy a device. Is your usage pattern suggest and iPad is a good fit, it will replace your computers. If your needs are more mixed: good luck you need two devices (like me and I expect many others).
IPads are tightly linked to services and cloud usage so expecting full support on external drives using different formatting options etc is totally besides the idea off the iPad.
The mentioned “pro” software often require large screens and using a device that is designed for portable for primarily desk work seem to be a really bad fit. A Mac is a better choice for this kind of work. Who is surprised? Using the laptops as pen and paper replacement is on the other hand a really bad fit.
Do you homework before you buy a device. Is your usage pattern suggest and iPad is a good fit, it will replace your computers. If your needs are more mixed: good luck you need two devices (like me and I expect many others).
I can save, copy, delete files in both list view and icon view. What is it that people want in “file management”? I mean, I do appreciate that folks have stopped saying that it should have a file system as it’s had one of those since the beginning.
Perhaps not corrupting files on external drives and not failing on large file transfers.
Oh boy, here's another one with an iPad Pro expecting it to be a full laptop/ computer replacement.
If you truly want/ need Final Cut then get a MacBook Pro. Otherwise there are great alternative like LumaFusion.
The "Pro" in iPad isn't necessarily geared to video creators but there are tons of great and professional design and illustration apps. And more CPU/ GPU power also means better handling of other tasks and gaming.
Of course I welcome more pro apps on the iPad but I never expected it to be a full laptop replacement. I too wish we could dual-boot into MacOS when we need it but I doubt this will happen. We will get some sort of hybrid multitasking probably that is getting closer to MacOS multitasking but to expect iPadOS and iPadPro to be like MacOS is silly. Then just get a Mac.
I can run the same software on a Mac mini as I can on a Mac Pro.
I am still limited by the national speed limit, regardless of whether I buy a Ferrari or a Kia.
Why would I buy a $10k Rolex when I can read the time just fine on a $200 Seiko?
It’s not that the OS doesn’t have file management, just that certain edge cases are buggy and I can totally see that. Pedantic, yes, but thanks for the clarification as I appreciate understanding these things.
That's what I like about the iPad - that it doesn't try too hard to emulate a PC, and I for one hope it stays that way.
What you described is not a lack of file management.
Just like the pro on any computer, they all still do the same, the “pro” ones just do it faster.
I think it’s possible to do all of your video editing on an iPad Pro with Lumafusion. One of my favorite iPad-centric content channels on YouTube is produced all on an iPad Pro and has been for years.
I believe he uses Lumafusion.