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Dealmans

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This used to be true for us. :p

Now, there’s the M1 Mac mini and MacBook Air to check out what’s on the other side. The MBA is pretty much collecting dust while I’d get occasional complaints about the Mac mini. Reckon I’d just replace the mini with a Windows 11 desktop during the holiday sales if the family’s still not happy. Will probably just use the mini as Plex server or something.
Why would you bother keeping something that is collecting dust?
 

threesixty360

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Nobody has said it shouldn't exist. Nobody has said it's a failure because is doesn't run Final Cup Pro. What they have said is the there is no good reason why the iPad shouldn't be able to run FCP. The hardware is capable. Apple can choose to make iOS capable, too.
As I said earlier. Pro apps not being on the platform is not really to do with the hardware. The type of pro software you want to see on the ipad is more or less dependent on the workflow, the type of user base and how much money they would make.

At this point, making FCP on an ipad pro will be more of a marketing exercise than a truly successful product.
For example, what about the plugins used by many FCP users in their everyday workflow? Some of them cost hundreds of dollars on their own. Are they going to get ported as well? If they are not available will people be even able to do any real work without these plugins? Would plug-in companies spend the time and effort to port these plugins over ipad users generally wont pay serious money for them?

I think blaming apple and thinking that them creating FCP or even bringing things like xcode to iPad Pro sound cool, but I’m not sure it makes as much sense as people think it does.

Having said they, they may do it just for kudos factor. But I bet, the same people crying for it will go back to using the mac version because all their workflow is on there anyway. How many people ditched their mac for iPad photoshop??
 

rui no onna

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Why would you bother keeping something that is collecting dust?

Too lazy to resell and I occasionally find use for it. It’s what I use for local iPad and iPhone backups (pretty much only done when I upgrade devices).

Also, I believe MacOS is needed for exporting Keychain. At least I haven’t found a way to do that on the iPad/iPhone.
 

PrettyWings

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It’s not that the OS doesn’t have file management, just that certain edge cases are buggy and I can totally see that. Pedantic, yes, but thanks for the clarification as I appreciate understanding these things.

I said it was a prank. Why dismiss it because it doesn't bother you :rolleyes:? I guess I'm supposed to fill my 1TB with Candy Crush game data
 

PrettyWings

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I am losing faith in the whole “pro” aspect of the M1 iPad Pro. As a musician and songwriter, the M1 MacBook Air has been a godsend. It makes no sense to not have a 3.5mm jack on a “pro” iPad.

Yeah, I don't get this whole fixation on anorexic tech. Form over function.
 

jav6454

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I am losing faith in the whole “pro” aspect of the M1 iPad Pro. As a musician and songwriter, the M1 MacBook Air has been a godsend. It makes no sense to not have a 3.5mm jack on a “pro” iPad.
Why not get something that works for you rather than the "hip" thing? A MBA as you mentioned works, so can the 13" MBP. An iPad? I find it lacking in software for what you want.
 

Solomani

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it still has the same m1 chip in the laptops though, so the raw power is there, its on apple for failure to tap into it.
Sensible, and I agree. Why put a first-class "computer chip" inside an iPad... when you won't have apps taking advantage of that cpu power.

But in Apple's defense, you realize it takes time to optimize a complex app like Final Cut to AS. Would you be satisfied if Apple announced "Yes, Final Cut for M1 iPad Pros... we're working on it now, it's just not ready to release yet."
 

iPadified

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Which chip would be the logical successor of A12X for the iPad Pro? A14X obviously which would be very similar to M1 so why make two different ones? Forking M1 and A14X would lead to higher prices for the A14X (and M1). Exactly what is the trouble with a too fast chip if it also is not more expensive than a slower chip?

The A15 can likely run MacOS so would you expect FCP on the iPhone as well?
 

Boil

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Which chip would be the logical successor of A12X for the iPad Pro? A14X obviously which would be very similar to M1 so why make two different ones? Forking M1 and A14X would lead to higher prices for the A14X (and M1). Exactly what is the trouble with a too fast chip if it also is not more expensive than a slower chip?

The A15 can likely run MacOS so would you expect FCP on the iPhone as well?

If Apple doesn't release Final Cut Pro / Logic Pro / Xcode on the Apple Watch, I'm gonna lose it...!!!

;^p
 

Digitalguy

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I think Final Cut could happen, but in a way people won't like....
How about a cut down version, with no plugins, subscription based $99/year app? (desktop version not included)
 

ilikewhey

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Sensible, and I agree. Why put a first-class "computer chip" inside an iPad... when you won't have apps taking advantage of that cpu power.

But in Apple's defense, you realize it takes time to optimize a complex app like Final Cut to AS. Would you be satisfied if Apple announced "Yes, Final Cut for M1 iPad Pros... we're working on it now, it's just not ready to release yet."
final cut alrdy works on m1 macs, i guess the challenge is overhauling ipados.
 

imnotthewalrus

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Why not get something that works for you rather than the "hip" thing? A MBA as you mentioned works, so can the 13" MBP. An iPad? I find it lacking in software for what you want.
As I said, I use a MBA, because I HAVE TO. My point is the “pro” description of an iPad. Musicians like portability too, and at least the iPad Pro has GarageBand, but not a headphone jack. Even the entry $329 iPad has a headphone jack.
 

MajorFubar

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But in Apple's defense, you realize it takes time to optimize a complex app like Final Cut to AS. Would you be satisfied if Apple announced "Yes, Final Cut for M1 iPad Pros... we're working on it now, it's just not ready to release yet."
FCP has already been optimised for M1…on the Mac. But it would need a total rewrite for iPadOS as it stands at the moment because iPadOS doesn’t have swap. Among other reasons.
 
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Zdigital2015

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Without writing a dissertation, we’re all pretty aware of iPadOS’ limitations and friction points. Even Federico has admitted this in his recent appearance on the Mac Power User’s podcast. For years, it’s been a point of pride for hardcore iPad users to come up with rather novel solutions to getting tasks done on the iPad that were very run of the mill with a Mac and macOS. That Apple still has several friction points left to eradicate speaks to how thinly stretched the OS dev teams are at Apple given that the have three major operating systems being updated on an annual basis.

I don’t want macOS on an iPad and I don’t want iPadOS to Macified, but those friction points that Apple should be aware of internally and just by perusing these forums should give them a clue as to what needs to be addressed. If Apple hasn’t done that due diligence I would be very unpleasantly surprised. What’s disheartening is that Apple is taking multiple releases of iPadOS to work these things out. Again, the iPhone and iOS will ALWAYS get top priority, but one would think that iPadOS is close enough to get polish and fixes simply by osmosis.

This is the part that most makes me wonder about Tim Cook’s actual caretaking of Apple. I don’t expect him to be Steve Jobs, but so do expect him to honor what Steve wanted and what Apple is philosophically. A lot of people below him are trying to do that, but I doubt that he is anymore. I think he did at one point, but I think the “thrill” of driving Apple’s revenue and operations to greater heights has supplanted those promises he made long ago. Just my 2¢.
 

Zdigital2015

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As I said, I use a MBA, because I HAVE TO. My point is the “pro” description of an iPad. Musicians like portability too, and at least the iPad Pro has GarageBand, but not a headphone jack. Even the entry $329 iPad has a headphone jack.
I would think that a viable on the go audio production rig using an iPad Pro might want to include an Apple Magic keyboard to keep the beast powered through its “dumb” USB-C port and using the Apple USB-C to 3.5mm dongle for the headphones. Or possibly just a decent USB-C dock to be able to handle power and audio.

Or if you’re using a USB microphone, the headphones plug-in to most USB mics. What I’m saying is that the lack of the microphone jack certainly isn’t at the top of list for making the iPad Pro viable as an audio production rig. How iPadOS handles capturing multiple disparate incoming streams of audio is the bigger issue for Apple to address now, right? Or is it just me?
 

darngooddesign

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Can you imagine trying to use Maya or FinalCut or any serious desktop app with 6GB RAM on an 11" screen. LOL

Unless you think that these companies are burn all that effort to only target the 1TB or 2TB iPads.
 
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jav6454

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Can you imagine trying to use Maya or FinalCut or any serious desktop app with 6GB RAM on an 11" screen. LOL

Unless you think that these companies are burn all that effort to only target the 1TB or 2TB iPads.
Perhaps you can to an extent. The main thing to recall here is that the iPad is a companion device for "quick" edits and not meant to be the main workhorse.
 

darngooddesign

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Perhaps you can to an extent. The main thing to recall here is that the iPad is a companion device for "quick" edits and not meant to be the main workhorse.
iPadOS doesn't have swap memory so 6GB RAM is unlikely to meet minimum system requirements. So who is going to buy a 1TB iPad to use as a companion device to make quick edits.
 
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