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iMac Pro... really?!

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apolloa said:
You mean a pin sharp full touchscreen with better calibration then Apple and on the fly calibration switching and the dial which fully integrates with the screen and software plus high end PC components, actually that’s hypocrisy seeing as that’s what Apple use, they are all PC components, the GPUs are all based in gaming graphics cards!
No, the iMac Pro is not innovation, it is desperation to try and please and keep your customers who have left in droves, and they may well continue to, because I can’t see many professionals wanting to take their iMac Pro to an Apple store when it breaks and therefore losing them time and money, Dell or HP can provide onsite support, then again you can unscrew their computers as opposed to ungluing them...
I think you’ll find the real modular Mac Pro is the one people want, looking at the costs it won’t be much different to that of the iMac Pro either!

Talking innovation, the Surface Studio has it in droves, the iMac Pro not so much. They could and will update the Studio hardware, but it’s not built for gaming...

I don’t hate the iMac Pro, just see it as a bit pointless, the cost is incredibly high yet it’s still glued together and you can’t upgrade a thing in it? This is a machine built to earn money, so if it breaks as I said you’ll lose money? To me a machine at that price that’s upgradable and can be easily repaired makes more sense.
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The surface studio does not run desktop grade parts. They are all mobile components since the GPU's are based on Maxwell rather than Pascal. While I'm not super impressed with the iMac specs for the most part, they are at least full desktop-grade components.
 
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Well, that was fun reading some of these comments.
As a long time Mac user with a ton of Windows/Irix experience it never stops with the haters.
And the use of the word innovation makes me laugh.
Tools just tools :)
 
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Fried Chicken said:
Oh yeah, a design disaster. I've had Thunderbolt on my computer 5 years, and I've used it exactly ZERO times
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I’ve actually used tb several times because it was faster during the time. Now, not so much. I think it may have been a 1 or 2 year window when it was worth it (2011 MBP only has usb 2.0 & the much faster TB)
 
Trebuin said:
I’ve actually used tb several times because it was faster during the time. Now, not so much. I think it may have been a 1 or 2 year window when it was worth it (2011 MBP only has usb 2.0 & the much faster TB)
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Apple innovatively avoided installing USB 3.0
 
It has USB 3.1 gen 2, which is much faster than regular old 3.1 gen 1/3.0. Just because you can’t see the applications of TB3 doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t. Sure it might be inconvenient for now, but there’s so much more you can do with it. Buy one of those adapters that splits into a bunch of different connectors if you need legacy connections.
 
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Trebuin said:
I’ve actually used tb several times because it was faster during the time. Now, not so much. I think it may have been a 1 or 2 year window when it was worth it (2011 MBP only has usb 2.0 & the much faster TB)
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I use it every day. I boot from TB attached SSD. Because it is TB, I see the SSD natively, not though USB, and have full SMART and TRIM. I also use it for other external drive access. And occasionally use Target Video mode but that’s been few and far between.
 
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bplein said:
Hey Mods, can you just rename this thread "iMac Pro Hater Thread" and be done with it?
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It would certainly be great if all of the haters could post in one thread instead of interrupting meaningful conversation in all of the other threads.

I wish there was a spot for more meaningful conversation and less noise for those of us that actually appreciate and need computers such as the iMac Pro. Moderating out the noise would be great.
 
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I think the iMac Pro is pretty stupid, but I haven't really been able to upgrade my 2013 Mac Pro either, so I guess Apple "pro" stuff has been pretty terrible in that aspect recently. I really hope that Apple would have done better from a pro market perspective.

Some of you guys can think Apple is being "innovative" all you want with iMac Pro, but it just sounds and looks lazy. The only reason they can put such high end components in there today is due to the lower power requirements of today's processors, GPUs, etc. not that somehow Apple have redone the iMac to miraculously support these high end components.

The only thing I've found great so far is the factory eGPU support since the built-in graphics on the Mac laptops aren't that top of the line, but through a high end GPU in a box, you've got a pretty stellar portable when hooked up in the office.

I don't even think about the price of the these computers these days. If you need a high end Mac, I guess this is the computer to buy today. If you can survive with macOS, perhaps consider some alternatives. Anyways I'm really eyeing the Dell 8K display. Wish Apple at least made that an option for these iMac Pro desktops. Imagine that. A bigger 32" 8K display meaning better cooling and performance capability in the updated chassis.
 
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Bryan Bowler said:
Allow me to correct that for you: "I'm not a pro user."

Pro users worry about their work, not how to tinker with their computers.
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Easy to upgrade makes the base machine last a lot longer. That isnt "tinkering" bud, it is being smart with your resources. I don't care how rich you are, using a machine that can be upgraded extends its life and costs less over a longer period, and thats smart spending.
 
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magamen said:
Easy to upgrade makes the base machine last a lot longer. That isnt "tinkering" bud, it is being smart with your resources. I don't care how rich you are, using a machine that can be upgraded extends its life and costs less over a longer period, and thats smart spending.
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If you buy an iMac Pro today, probably you can keep it for about 5 years. If you mount 64GB today, do you think you would upgrade that RAM if you could do it?
I ask you this because in my whole life I never upgraded the RAM in a computer, I always changed all because the problem was not "I don't have enough RAM".
 
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magamen said:
Easy to upgrade makes the base machine last a lot longer. That isnt "tinkering" bud, it is being smart with your resources. I don't care how rich you are, using a machine that can be upgraded extends its life and costs less over a longer period, and thats smart spending.
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My greatest resource is time. And the iMac Pro serves that up in spades.

The iMac Pro may not be the right tool for some and that's cool. But the many people that are quick to call it stupid, a waste of money, and "not pro" are simply using their comments to masquerade their jealousy and insecurities.

If its not the right tool for you, then quietly move on and buy the right tool for your own needs. But to try and put it down just makes one look ridiculous.
 
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MarcoTogni said:
If you buy an iMac Pro today, probably you can keep it for about 5 years. If you mount 64GB today, do you think you would upgrade that RAM if you could do it?
I ask you this because in my whole life I never upgraded the RAM in a computer, I always changed all because the problem was not "I don't have enough RAM".
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Well other professionals would disagree with you entirely, because their are MANY high profile well known You Tube stars who bought the current a Mac Pro for all their video editing, and they all say they now just leave them sitting their because the MacBook Pro is faster and better at it!!
So as a real ‘Pro’ I mean these guys make money from videos, the Mac Pro has hardly lasted them 5 years!!! And that was a machine costing several thousand, let’s not forget you cannot upgrade the current Mac Pro.

The new iMac Pro will fall into be same trap. People in the forums in here will probably use external GPUs it’s the Mac Pro supports it to get some life out of them I would imagine?
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Strelok said:
The surface studio does not run desktop grade parts. They are all mobile components since the GPU's are based on Maxwell rather than Pascal. While I'm not super impressed with the iMac specs for the most part, they are at least full desktop-grade components.
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I believe the CPU is a desktop CPU? And once they update the graphics to the 10 series it won’t matter as the difference between the mobile and desktop version are not massive.
 
Strelok said:
The CPU's are 45W H/HQ processors. They should have used the 10 series from the start considering what they are charging for the Studio.

Since Microsoft seems to make it so difficult to find actual specs, here they are. https://www.pcmag.com/review/349066/microsoft-surface-studio?tab=Specs
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I love the design of the Studio, and MS had an opportunity to knock it out of the park so to speak, but I agree the actual specks on a 3,000 dollar computer are underwhelming at best
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apolloa said:
They already claimed they would if they available when they started development, they spent several years designing it, not a couple of weeks!
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Yes, but with the pizza box design (unlike the iMac) they could have made it more open, not use a slow hard drive, I'm not sure about the GPU, it may be ok, but I'm disappointed in the slow hard drive vs. SSD.
 
maflynn said:
I love the design of the Studio, and MS had an opportunity to knock it out of the park so to speak, but I agree the actual specks on a 3,000 dollar computer are underwhelming at best
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Yes, but with the pizza box design (unlike the iMac) they could have made it more open, not use a slow hard drive, I'm not sure about the GPU, it may be ok, but I'm disappointed in the slow hard drive vs. SSD.
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Well they do use a combined SSD and HDD solution and components just like the iMac. Plus all the innovative features.

Anyway why are we talking about specs? I highlited about innovation, actual Pro use, targeted markets. Not specs.
People are taking my original comment of tangent.

I’m not hating on the way iMac Pro by the way despite what others probably think. It’s all just personal opinion at the end of the day :)
 
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