In U.S. Apple Stores, what's likely to be available for pickup on March 18?

[roland.g]

I assume you meant to say that the base Max config is 512GB.

We'll see what happens with this release, but my own past experience is that Apple stores have one or two variations on the base machine at launch.

In another post, you say that your current computer is a 2014 Mac mini with 256GB of storage. I can see why you want more, but maybe be less assertive about telling other people that they need 1TB. Because I use my computer strictly as a workspace, I buy 512GB computers and typically have over 450GB of free space on my internal drive. That is plenty for my needs. This time, I'm considering a 2TB Mac Studio, but for specific, atypical reasons that I certainly wouldn't extrapolate to the needs of other people.

Funny how you then told me that your new needs are atypical and yet asserted that 512GB was plenty. And no, I meant to say that the base Max config is 1TB because in a machine like that Apple should provide a base storage option in line with the product they are delivering, and relative to the price point. It's not a lot to ask that a $2k desktop machine include that level of storage without requiring a consumer to pay more or custom order it. As Apple has moved away from replaceable storage for efficiency and performance, they have never shied away from charging predictable and Apple-tax amounts for increased RAM and storage, which many of us pay. However, it would make more sense in my opinion to start M1 Max Studio at 1TB. But that is just me. I also bought my 2014 Mac Mini with the max RAM available at the time because the I felt that the base config would be too little in too short a time period, and as a result I have gotten 6 years out of that machine.

 

[LonestarOne]

And no, I meant to say that the base Max config is 1TB because in a machine like that Apple should provide a base storage option in line with the product they are delivering, and relative to the price point.

That again?

Okay, one more time: There are plenty of offices were the bulk of files are kept on remote servers and 512MB of local storage is plenty. There’s no reason people who want that configuration shouldn’t be able to buy it just because it isn’t what *you* want.

It's not a lot to ask that a $2k desktop machine include that level of storage without requiring a consumer to pay more or custom order it.

So, you’re asking Apple to give you more memory but you don’t want to pay for it? Just because you’re a “consumer”?

If you’re going to ask for free stuff, why stop at one terrabyte? Why not 10 terabytes and a pony?

 

[F-Train]

Funny how you then told me that your new needs are atypical and yet asserted that 512GB was plenty. And no, I meant to say that the base Max config is 1TB because in a machine like that Apple should provide a base storage option in line with the product they are delivering, and relative to the price point. It's not a lot to ask that a $2k desktop machine include that level of storage without requiring a consumer to pay more or custom order it. As Apple has moved away from replaceable storage for efficiency and performance, they have never shied away from charging predictable and Apple-tax amounts for increased RAM and storage, which many of us pay. However, it would make more sense in my opinion to start M1 Max Studio at 1TB. But that is just me. I also bought my 2014 Mac Mini with the max RAM available at the time because the I felt that the base config would be too little in too short a time period, and as a result I have gotten 6 years out of that machine.

What I said, as a matter of plain English, is that 512GB of storage (over 450GB free) is plenty for my needs and that I'm considering 2TB for specific, atypical reasons that I wouldn't extrapolate to others. What's funny about that? I'm talking about whether to bring orchestral sample libraries inboard, something that I certainly don't need to do. Those kinds of libraries are indeed atypical. They can run well over 600GB of data. It would be no fun to run one of them on your current computer. Do you even know what they are?

It is a simple fact, which you apparently refuse to recognise, that the base Max storage is 512GB. The probability is that it's what I'm going to purchase. For one thing, 2TB of storage increases the price by $600. Luckily for me, Apple decides what its market is rather than a guy who says in another post that he plans to replace his 2014 Mac mini, with 16GB of RAM and 256GB of storage, but isn't in a hurry to do it.

 

[roland.g]

That again?

Okay, one more time: There are plenty of offices were the bulk of files are kept on remote servers and 512MB of local storage is plenty. There’s no reason people who want that configuration shouldn’t be able to buy it just because it isn’t what *you* want.



So, you’re asking Apple to give you more memory but you don’t want to pay for it? Just because you’re a “consumer”?

If you’re going to ask for free stuff, why stop at one terrabyte? Why not 10 terabytes and a pony?

I'm not asking for free stuff or more memory without paying for it. When I purchase my Macs, I opt for the memory that best fits my needs and how long I plan to use the machine, which is typically the max RAM for that Mac. And I do pay for the RAM that fits that configuration.

When I purchase my Macs, I tend to opt for the storage option that works best as well, knowing that in some situations additional external storage will work. And in some, it won't. I tend to also not confuse how many balls I can keep in the air (RAM aka Memory) with how much will fit in my pockets (that would be storage). Now I suppose if you had enough storage you may need to invest in a pony to cart those around for you. But in 2022 there are better ways to move things from place to place. And a mule or donkey may be a better solution if you plan to farm the terra. That's my 2 bits. Get 6 more and you'll have a byte. 😉

 

[LonestarOne]

I'm not asking for free stuff or more memory without paying for it.

That’s exactly what you asked for. Are you going to deny your own words?

 

[rkuo]

That’s exactly what you asked for. Are you going to deny your own words?

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For consumers that aren't familiar with how Apple prices things, the way they always seem to just undershoot what a lot of people want to configure is very annoying. It's not an unusual complaint.

To those of us that follow Apple, it's an expected part of their good/better/best pricing strategy to squeeze out margin ... and it's still pretty annoying, especially when storage prices on the open market are so much cheaper.

 

[F-Train]

For consumers that aren't familiar with how Apple prices things, the way they always seem to just undershoot what a lot of people want to configure is very annoying. It's not an unusual complaint.

To those of us that follow Apple, it's an expected part of their good/better/best pricing strategy to squeeze out margin ... and it's still pretty annoying, especially when storage prices on the open market are so much cheaper.

Marques Brownlee discussed Apple ladder pricing at the outset of his iPad Air review today, and argues that the new iPad Air undermines the concept. Indeed, Dave Lee suggests in his review that most people should go with the Air rather than the Pro, underscoring what Brownlee says.

This is Brownlee's review:

This is Dave Lee's:

 

[rkuo]

Marques Brownlee discussed Apple ladder pricing at the outset of his iPad Air review today, and argues that the new iPad Air undermines the concept. Indeed, Dave Lee suggests in his review that most people should go with the Air rather than the Pro, underscoring what Brownlee says.

This is Brownlee's review:

This is Dave Lee's:

Yeah, apple for whatever reason isn’t afraid to temporarily up-end the price performance scale across their product lines (especially iPad’s) in order to release their products with up to date tech. I suspect a lot of that is driven by manufacturing scale and commitments that aren’t visible to an average consumer.

 

[roland.g]

That’s exactly what you asked for. Are you going to deny your own words?

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Well you are wrong on two counts:

1. Apple frequently makes decisions to up the base storage, pesky word storage, based on various factors like the product it is going in, and changes over time that dictate upping that storage, ie. when iPhones were once 16GB base storage and now are 64GB. So yes, Apple does make that call. I was not asking for free, only arguing that the base amount in the M1 Max Studio was a poor choice.

2. Unfortunately you still don’t know the difference between storage and memory. I’m not going to keep giving you these lessons.

 

[LonestarOne]

Well you are wrong on two counts:

That is your response to *your own words*?

You are literally arguing with yourself.

Amazing.

 

[LonestarOne]

2. Unfortunately you still don’t know the difference between storage and memory. I’m not going to keep giving you these lessons.

Actually, I do know. An SSD is a specialized type of memory. As you would know, if you ever took a computer-science course.

 

[F-Train]

Today's Mac Studio To Do List

• Watch hands-on reviews by Marques Brownlee and Dave Lee, and read analysis, if any, by AnandTech and John Gruber
• Choose two M1 Max configurations, either of which I'm prepared to purchase from one of my local Apple stores
• Set up the Apple Store app on my iPad for purchase of one of those configurations, and my partner's iPad for the other

 

[ccmovies]

Today's Mac Studio To Do List

• Watch hands-on reviews by Marques Brownlee and Dave Lee, and read analysis, if any, by AnandTech and John Gruber
• Choose two M1 Max configurations, either of which I'm prepared to purchase from one of my local Apple stores
• Set up the Apple Store app on my iPad for purchase of one of those configurations, and my partner's iPad for the other

I was really hoping one of the ATP guys got a review unit of the Mac Studio but the fact they recorded last night means they didn’t.

 

[F-Train]

The embargo was lifted at 1 PM GMT. There are a good number of video reviews. Still waiting for Marques Brownlee and Dave Lee. Jonathan Morrison has an unboxing, with review to follow, maybe later today.

 

[F-Train]

Dave Lee on the Mac Studio M1 Ultra and Studio Display

 

[F-Train]

I'm beginning to wonder whether Marques Brownlee will upload today.

EDIT: After watching again, I'm sure that she has the M1 Ultra.

iJustine on the Mac Studio M1 Max and Studio Display

There's a lot of fluff here. However, she has the M1 Max version. She shows off some Final Cut footage at 12:50, and fellow YouTuber Armando Ferreira tries out the computer with Premier Pro at 15:30.

 

[TJ82]

I'm beginning to wonder whether Marques Brownlee will upload today.

iJustine on the Mac Studio M1 Max and Studio Display

There's a lot of fluff here. However, she has the M1 Max version. She shows off some Final Cut footage at 12:50, and fellow YouTuber Armando Ferreira tries out the computer with Premier Pro at 15:30.

This was great! I‘ve ordered the Max but almost everything today is discussing Ultra. CNET said the Max Studio is a bit faster than the Max MBP but no footage to compare.

That was very impressive. Got me hyped again!

 

[TJ82]

I'm beginning to wonder whether Marques Brownlee will upload today.

iJustine on the Mac Studio M1 Max and Studio Display

There's a lot of fluff here. However, she has the M1 Max version. She shows off some Final Cut footage at 12:50, and fellow YouTuber Armando Ferreira tries out the computer with Premier Pro at 15:30.

Actually I’m confused a bit after rewatching (reskimming). Did Justine do her test on a Max, and Armando do his on an Ultra?

 

[Juuro]

There's a lot of fluff here. However, she has the M1 Max version.

Actually I’m confused a bit after rewatching (reskimming). Did Justine do her test on a Max, and Armando do his on an Ultra?

She has the M1 Ultra version. She says it at 6:13.

 

[F-Train]

Actually I’m confused a bit after rewatching (reskimming). Did Justine do her test on a Max, and Armando do his on an Ultra?

I think that she's clear during the session with Armando that she has the Ultra. The way that she talked about weight at the beginning made me think that she has the Max, but I think now that that is incorrect.

 

[TJ82]

She has the M1 Ultra version. She says it at 6:13.

Ah gotcha, that makes sense. The result at the end where Armando’s render comes in at 3min 31sec was too out of sync with the Max MBP at 6min 30sec!

I’s love to see them run the Max Studio too. Suppose no one has both versions yet to do a real world comparison between MBP Max, Studio Max and Studio Ultra which is what I really want.

 

[illitrate23]

Ah gotcha, that makes sense. The result at the end where Armando’s render comes in at 3min 31sec was too out of sync with the Max MBP at 6min 30sec!

I’s love to see them run the Max Studio too. Suppose no one has both versions yet to do a real world comparison between MBP Max, Studio Max and Studio Ultra which is what I really want.

Here’s some raw stats to compare the MBP Max with the Studio Max.

 

[Juuro]

Here’s some raw stats to compare the MBP Max with the Studio Max.

Great, so according to Geekbench the Studio Max is 7.6 % faster in CPU as the MBP Max.

 

[F-Train]

If you speak Spanish, there's a New York YouTuber named Victor Abarca who's doing a review of the M1 Max/64GB memory at 4 PM EDT. He uploaded his unboxing earlier. Abarca makes videos in both Spanish and English, so he may do an English review later.

Apple appears to have given almost all reviewers the Ultra. The only other M1 Max review that I've identified is CNET's, but it's very thin on content.

EDIT: See also post #76, two down.

Abarca's Upcoming Live Event:

 

[CodeSpyder]

I'm beginning to wonder whether Marques Brownlee will upload today.

EDIT: After watching again, I'm sure that she has the M1 Ultra.

iJustine on the Mac Studio M1 Max and Studio Display

There's a lot of fluff here. However, she has the M1 Max version. She shows off some Final Cut footage at 12:50, and fellow YouTuber Armando Ferreira tries out the computer with Premier Pro at 15:30.

I couldn't get through the fluff.