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AZhappyjack

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Well there isn't a whole lot going on with this beta, anyway. It doesn't even change anything for most iPhones.

Two tweaks to message effects:
  • Adds option under Settings > General > Accessibility > Reduce Motion to auto-play message effects when Reduce Motion > ON
  • Adds "replay" button to message effects
 

VSMacOne

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Sounds are still lower than 10.0.2 for me.

Animations seem MUCH faster after a restart. Still some weird stuff going on with the background, but at least it's faster.
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I slowed these down by 50% to show the difference more clearly.

iPhone 6: http://imgur.com/e0rfHxA

iPhone 7: http://imgur.com/ejrGfnq

Notice how the wallpaper starts zooming too late on the iPhone 7?

Also, the iPhone 6 is one continuous motion with no interruptions and all the animations end at the same exact time.
THIS! Exactly this. This was present from the beginning with my iPhone 7 Plus (10.0.2 and 10.1 beta). While the animations have been sped up, this is still present on iPhone 7 Plus.
 

The Doctor11

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Any brave soul want to try and see if you can turn on airplane mode on the 7/7 Plus yet without it staying at searching forever once turned off?
 

gwhizkids

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I slowed these down by 50% to show the difference more clearly.

iPhone 6: http://imgur.com/e0rfHxA

iPhone 7: http://imgur.com/ejrGfnq

Notice how the wallpaper starts zooming too late on the iPhone 7?

Also, the iPhone 6 is one continuous motion with no interruptions and all the animations end at the same exact time.
Isnt the fact that you had to slow it down 50% somewhat telling? Sure, there seems to be a missed frame there, but in the grand scheme of things, is it really that big a deal? (and, yes, I know what your answer is going to be ...)
 

jgelin

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Isnt the fact that you had to slow it down 50% somewhat telling? Sure, there seems to be a missed frame there, but in the grand scheme of things, is it really that big a deal? (and, yes, I know what your answer is going to be ...)
I noticed it was different, just not how. Slowing it down helps illustrate that.
 
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Jayson A

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Isnt the fact that you had to slow it down 50% somewhat telling? Sure, there seems to be a missed frame there, but in the grand scheme of things, is it really that big a deal? (and, yes, I know what your answer is going to be ...)

I only slowed it down so you can more clearly see what's really happening because it's hard to describe what we're seeing at full speed.
 

JDabney24

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Can anyone confirm that screen effects don't work when sending them to a non iOS 10.1 beta 2 device?
 

atlchamp

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so far battery life does seem a bit better, LTE is definitely faster in certain areas where it used to be slow. Animations are a bit smoother on iphone 7 and I have yet to see a re spring from camera use whether its the camera app or snap chat
 

Bbqthis

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Good lord I just read his paper on frame rate drops and it was the biggest piece of whiny crap I've ever seen. Should come with big warning on top: 30yr old temper tantrum will follow.
Oh gosh he screenshot our comments, tweeted them, and said that if *he* gets them to fix it, we're all welcome. Because he's a noble warrior battling for frame rates. Because we all know the #1 surefire way to get developers to fix bugs faster is to whine at them. Works 100% of the time. Try it!
 

gwhizkids

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I only slowed it down so you can more clearly see what's really happening because it's hard to describe what we're seeing at full speed.
But if you can't clearly see "lag" or "stutter", is it really lag or stutter? I'm not trying to be cute here, but if you need extraordinary means to demonstrate something that is not clearly perceptible, what is the real issue?
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A subconscious difference is as important as a conscious difference
Important in what respect? Holding a beta software to some random benchmark of your choosing? (and mods: I am not bickering: i really am interested in knowing how nearly imperceptible imperfections are important to these end users).
 

gtg465x

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But if you can't clearly see "lag" or "stutter", is it really lag or stutter? I'm not trying to be cute here, but if you need extraordinary means to demonstrate something that is not clearly perceptible, what is the real issue?
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Important in what respect? Holding a beta software to some random benchmark of your choosing? (and mods: I am not bickering: i really am interested in knowing how nearly imperceptible imperfections are important to these end users).

If I take a **** behind your toilet, you are going to notice that something smells funky when you go to use the bathroom, but you might not be able to put your finger on exactly what is causing the smell until you get down on your knees and take a peek behind your toilet. But is the **** I left really there if you have to get down on your knees to even see it?
 

C DM

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If I take a **** behind your toilet, you are going to notice that something smells funky when you go to use the bathroom, but you might not be able to put your finger on exactly what is causing the smell until you get down on your knees and take a peek behind your toilet. But is the **** I left really there if you have to get down on your knees to even see it?
But isn't that still conscious and perceptible (even if you don't see what's causing it, you still consciously perceive the effects of it)?
 

Jayson A

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But if you can't clearly see "lag" or "stutter", is it really lag or stutter? I'm not trying to be cute here, but if you need extraordinary means to demonstrate something that is not clearly perceptible, what is the real issue?
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Important in what respect? Holding a beta software to some random benchmark of your choosing? (and mods: I am not bickering: i really am interested in knowing how nearly imperceptible imperfections are important to these end users).

That's not what I mean.

I can clearly see that *something* strange is happening. It's not *right* and seems *off* or *laggy*.

Since I knew something strange was happening, but couldn't quite put my finger on it, I decided to slow it down to accurately analyze what it's ACTUALLY doing when it lags.

For the first few frames, the background (wallpaper) does not move at all, then there's a skip in the frame rate at the very moment that the wallpaper begins zooming out. Then the icon goes to it's normal size, but the wallpaper lags behind (presumably since it was late to start animating at the beginning of it all). THAT'S what's happening.

Like I said. You can easily tell something is *wrong* or *offputting* about it and when it's slowed down, it's easier to put an explanation behind it.
 

gtg465x

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But isn't that still conscious and perceptible (even if you don't see what's causing it, you still consciously perceive the effects of it)?

I consciously perceive the lag when going to the home screen. The slowed down videos make it easier to see what exactly is happening, but I had no problem seeing it before the slowed down videos were posted either.
 
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jgelin

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But if you can't clearly see "lag" or "stutter", is it really lag or stutter? I'm not trying to be cute here, but if you need extraordinary means to demonstrate something that is not clearly perceptible, what is the real issue?
The apple fell from the tree, how does one concluded gravity exist if one doesn’t investigate further?
Sometimes discovery involves investigation.
 

christian.terra

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Sometimes when I close the messages app, i get a black screen animation. Doesn't affect much, but it just looks terrible.
 
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