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zorinlynx

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I can't replicate the quiet audio issue some are complaining about here. I tried with the music app, Siri, tested ring tones, Cyclemeter mile announcements, notification sounds; everything sounds just as loud as before.

So either it's only affecting some people, or it's fixed.
 

iOSBry

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I can't replicate the quiet audio issue some are complaining about here. I tried with the music app, Siri, tested ring tones, Cyclemeter mile announcements, notification sounds; everything sounds just as loud as before.

So either it's only affecting some people, or it's fixed.
Speakerphone and Bluetooth volume still not fixed in 10.1 beta 2 for me when compared against an iPhone 6S running iOS 9.3.5.

An example is on my iPhone 6S with the Bluetooth volume on the iPhone set all the way up and my car stereo set at volume level 15 things sounds great. On my iPhone 7 with the Bluetooth volume set all the way up, I have to set my car stereo volume to 23 to get the same volume/loudness as my iPhone 6S. There is a demonstrable difference.

iOSBry
 

zorinlynx

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Speakerphone and Bluetooth volume still not fixed in 10.1 beta 2 for me when compared against an iPhone 6S running iOS 9.3.5.

An example is on my iPhone 6S with the Bluetooth volume on the iPhone set all the way up and my car stereo set at volume level 15 things sounds great. On my iPhone 7 with the Bluetooth volume set all the way up, I have to set my car stereo volume to 23 to get the same volume/loudness as my iPhone 6S. There is a demonstrable difference.

iOSBry

Ahh, didn't think to try a call.

I don't want to bother anyone with my testing so I called my work voicemail. Sounded sufficiently loud, but then I literally have nothing to compare it to since I've made nothing but phone-to-my-ear calls since I got the 7 Plus! Maybe it was louder before, but it seems adequate now.

If it only affects calls I wonder if they had issues with echo cancellation. If the speaker phone is very loud the phone may have trouble canceling out the audio so it doesn't go back into the mic and result in the other party hearing an echo.
 

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Geekbench is showing a very slight improvement in CPU performance on both iPhone SE (pictured) and iPad Mini 4 compared to the last beta.
 

A MacBook lover

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But if you can't clearly see "lag" or "stutter", is it really lag or stutter? I'm not trying to be cute here, but if you need extraordinary means to demonstrate something that is not clearly perceptible, what is the real issue?
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Important in what respect?

One is a difference you can consciously see, the other subtle and more subconscious.

The animation already didn't 'feel' right, this was before I even read this thread. His post just confirms what some people are experiencing.
 
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VSMacOne

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Typically one to two days. I would bet tomorrow.


Yep I think they are. Just a shade. And they do look better that way. Compared my wife's on iOS 10.0.2 and you can really tell side by side.
Maybe I'm blind but I just compared the two with no noticeable difference. Are you using the same wallpaper on both phones? Could you post a side by side picture?
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Thanks for the reply. I found out that my friend who I was sending them to wasn't receiving them because he had reduce motion on. I feel stupid now :/
Really glad that's one of the changes coming in 10.1.
 

Floris

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I am less and less encouraged to participate and take the (public) beta serious. Each time I review the now 75+ submissions from iOS9 and iOS10 I notice that super obvious problems do not get addressed. The pile just seems to get bigger, but only about 7 things have actually been addressed. It really makes me wonder if their developers even use the phone themselves, they persist on multiple devices, iPad and iPhone. I just don't quite understand (besides prioritizing one over the other I guess) why obvious behavior, graphical and usability issues just stay there. They are daily use cases, just demotivates me to care if the feedback keeps getting ignored but we use the phones daily.
 

Tabbit2002

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I guess the reason why they wont release a perfect update for ios 10 is to block the jailbreak pathway.

If they release a perfect one, the jailbroker will release it immediately,while apple got half year to go before stop signing the cert.

So the strategy is keep updating,and not fix all bugs until ios 11 beta comes.

I guess it works like that, but i don't like it

I am less and less encouraged to participate and take the (public) beta serious. Each time I review the now 75+ submissions from iOS9 and iOS10 I notice that super obvious problems do not get addressed. The pile just seems to get bigger, but only about 7 things have actually been addressed. It really makes me wonder if their developers even use the phone themselves, they persist on multiple devices, iPad and iPhone. I just don't quite understand (besides prioritizing one over the other I guess) why obvious behavior, graphical and usability issues just stay there. They are daily use cases, just demotivates me to care if the feedback keeps getting ignored but we use the phones daily.
 
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thadoggfather

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so far battery life does seem a bit better, LTE is definitely faster in certain areas where it used to be slow. Animations are a bit smoother on iphone 7 and I have yet to see a re spring from camera use whether its the camera app or snap chat
I guess the reason why they wont release a perfect update for ios 10 is to block the jailbreak pathway.

If they release a perfect one, the jailbroker will release it immediately,while apple got half year to go before stop signing the cert.

So the strategy is keep updating,and not fix all bugs until ios 11 beta comes.

I guess it works like that, but i don't like it

What? Is this sarcasm? Jailbreak user base is small relative to all of iOS user base. And then the people who use it to pirate is smaller, though dropping the walls to the sandbox does present itself with that freedom

iOS 10 bugs are not strategic, and I don't think teams are holding back since iOS isn't fully mature -- look at iOS 9.0.2 as a perfect example, I think they aren't releasing a jailbreak because they don't have it ready.
 

Tabbit2002

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I am thinking the opposite, they have it but just keeping it in secret.

How would it be possible to jailbreak 9.0.2 but not in 9.2 . And then back to jb at 9.3.3? They are just waiting for a perfect moment to release.

So was Apple

Btw just a thought, no proof ha
What? Is this sarcasm? Jailbreak user base is small relative to all of iOS user base. And then the people who use it to pirate is smaller, though dropping the walls to the sandbox does present itself with that freedom

iOS 10 bugs are not strategic, and I don't think teams are holding back since iOS isn't fully mature -- look at iOS 9.0.2 as a perfect example, I think they aren't releasing a jailbreak because they don't have it ready.
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What? Is this sarcasm? Jailbreak user base is small relative to all of iOS user base. And then the people who use it to pirate is smaller, though dropping the walls to the sandbox does present itself with that freedom

iOS 10 bugs are not strategic, and I don't think teams are holding back since iOS isn't fully mature -- look at iOS 9.0.2 as a perfect example, I think they aren't releasing a jailbreak because they don't have it ready.
Anyway i dont mean creating bug is a strategy. But not fixing a bug instantly is a strategy.

Even it works well in ios 9 ip6s, the coding may be different in a different phone different OS, it is too common to have bugs back again that are fixed in previous ios.
 

thadoggfather

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^ that's what I mean.

Delaying nipping bugs in the bud, to strategically defer jailbreak, I think that's giving apple too much credit for just plain ole sloppiness

Edit- also if anything I'd think there's a jailbreak race to get first one out for iPhone 7 cause of new hardware hype fest. Subsequent jailbreaks I'm more inclined to believe would be strategically released. Also look at 9.1 jb, well after it stopped being signed. They're ready when they're ready, from people/teams willing to release and not just keep it to themselves as a 0day

If there's strategic holding back of a release, I think it's been vocalized historically.
 
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Tabbit2002

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Sensible say.

I dont know as i m not the team. But i admit i give too much credits to Apple as i m a fan of it n steve jobs


^ that's what I mean.

Delaying nipping bugs in the bud, to strategically defer jailbreak, I think that's giving apple too much credit for just plain ole sloppiness

Edit- also if anything I'd think there's a jailbreak race to get first one out for iPhone 7 cause of new hardware hype fest. Subsequent jailbreaks I'm more inclined to believe would be strategically released. Also look at 9.1 jb, well after it stopped being signed. They're ready when they're ready, from people/teams willing to release and not just keep it to themselves as a 0day

If there's strategic holding back of a release, I think it's been vocalized historically.
 

C DM

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I am less and less encouraged to participate and take the (public) beta serious. Each time I review the now 75+ submissions from iOS9 and iOS10 I notice that super obvious problems do not get addressed. The pile just seems to get bigger, but only about 7 things have actually been addressed. It really makes me wonder if their developers even use the phone themselves, they persist on multiple devices, iPad and iPhone. I just don't quite understand (besides prioritizing one over the other I guess) why obvious behavior, graphical and usability issues just stay there. They are daily use cases, just demotivates me to care if the feedback keeps getting ignored but we use the phones daily.
Often/usually it's not really on developers or even QA as to what gets worked on and what might go into a release and which release it might be.
 
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