The update from the 10.1 beta was 1.8 gig. It downloaded an installed very quickly, and got the carrier update to 26.1.
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iOS 10.1 Bug Fixes And Changes
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At least with mine, it didn't make any difference. 7+ here.
That's the thing though...I'm not seeing a software update today, as most here aren't. The last PB that I installed from last week, was 1.8GB. This was PB5. Or B4 for those not on a 7/7Plus. Apparently the build numbers are the same, which is causing this confusion.
First of all, I am in Law School. I care about what people think when it effects my day to day life. Yes, this is a public forum, the last place I should care of what people think about. You may be a naysayer to what I actually do, but there is more than enough evidence to support my case, even if its anecdotal. When you are talking about 30+ updates on 8+ devices, so over 240 updates with the same outcome, that means something. If you don't buy it, then I don't care. It works for me, and thats ALL that matters.
I recharged my phone to 100%, did another hard reset, and now I have 2 minutes of usage and 18 minutes of standby. Back to normal. Xcode is also reporting nothing out of the ordinary, unlike 30 minutes ago with App Store running at 60% CPU for no reason.
It actually doesn't do the same thing. I have had apps continue to run in the background after a regular restart. I have used Xcode to determine that something was running in the background that should not have been running. FB Messenger still continues to run if you reboot the phone if you do not force quit the app manually or do a hard reset. Thats the nature of some apps. Blame the developer, but it is still an issue. Same thing with the App Store. It was running at 60% and after a soft reset, it was still running, when the app wasn't even open.
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BTW: Apple Support does tell you to do a hard reset for first line of defense for battery issues or processes stuck in the background.
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So anyone got any evidence/ideas on this whole update process and why some getting full downloads and others not? Specific devices? Carriers?
Verizon iP6s
Running 10.1 beta 4 (build 14B72) (Dev version not that it should matter)
got 1.8 GB download prompt OTA
Verizon iP6s
Running 10.1 beta 4 (build 14B72) (Dev version not that it should matter)
got 1.8 GB download prompt OTA
This mirrors my device and beta build and I received the 1.8 gig download.
So what exactly did you do differently to make it work now? You saying this release in NOT like the beta you had issues with? Also perhaps whatever it was doing finally finished? Hmm you mention app store running, I had a ton of updates appear just after the iOS update. Even after checking them earlier (I do it manually not auto) Wondering if that had something to do with your 60%?
I had zero updates before iOS 10.1 and zero updates after. My updates are set to manually, not auto as well. App Store was not open during the update process. I closed out all the apps right before downloading and installing 10.1. I never opened it after the update. Yet something was running App Store related. I didn't do anything differently. Sometime after my first hard reset App Store went rogue on its own. A soft reset kept it running in the background. I then did the second hard reset and it stopped running.
Apple Support has told me on many occasions that if something is stuck running in the background to try a hard reset. I didn't pull this out of thin air, Apple themselves have told me this for years and I've been doing it since.
One at this point might question your membership at a public forum if you don't care about the public forum. Oh well.
As a 'lawyer', you of all people should understand the importance of reliable solid evidence over personal accounts.
Anecdotal evidence * infinity is still anecdotal evidence. Especially when the phone isn't even in 'standby' when you think it is. All of your 'evidence' is flawed, on top of it being all anecdotal. It's completely useless.
Well I'm glad you're happy. But PSA to everyone else: this is not how computers work, and this guy's habits with his devices are downright unhealthy. Do NOT perform the same 'tests' he does, and just let your phones complete their indexing normally.
*cringe*
Yes it does do the same thing. A soft reset and a hard reset accomplish the same thing overall - powering down the computer. It still has to boot up the same way (except with hard reset, some desktop OSes run diagnostics on startup to make sure no sectors got damaged).
What you're describing is very likely push notification services and/or background refresh. iOS will occasionally open some apps to fetch updates, and hard reset vs. soft reset has absolutely nothing to do with it. The RAM is still purged in both cases as it loses power.
So, let me get this straight - you're not willing to listen and learn from people who actually do this for a living, and on top of that, you're going to try to tell others how stuff works based on your flawed understanding of the subjects? Maybe stick to law forums?
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They meant to do a hard restart if a soft restart is not an option. They will never recommend doing a hard reset if a soft reset is an option, because they both accomplish the same thing, except soft resetting will not risk corruption.
Don't believe me?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201559
As a lawyer, you deal with many cases that are 'he said, he said' cases. Therefore, anecdotal evidence is the ONLY evidence available. Therefore, that evidence must be used and considered. Just because its not hard fact evidence does not mean its worthless.
As I replied to sbailey4, Apple Support has told me on many occasions that if something is stuck running in the background to try a hard reset. I didn't pull this out of thin air, Apple themselves have told me this for years and I've been doing it since.
If Apple Support is suggesting it, then it must not be all that awful and it clearly worked for me. I had App Store go rogue and now its not. A soft reset DID NOT fix the issue, but the second hard reset did. There you go, explain that one. I keep push notifications off for 99% of my apps (none of which that go rouge), background refresh is also completely off and all apps are closed in the background.
No where did I tell others what to do. I have only mentioned to others what I have done for years and years and it has worked every single time. Clearly this second hard reset I just did fixed the issue of the app store running in the background. It was running for no reason whatsoever. Issue is now resolved. Thats all I care about.
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That article is a recent article. For years now Apple has said its okay to do a hard reset to kill off background tasks. Things clearly change. Remember when Apple said to do a 100% discharge on your battery every 30 days? They no longer say that either. I am going by the advice that Apple offered me years ago, it has worked for me. I am not telling others to do it, but I am saying what I have done and what has worked for me. Never had an issue. Plain and simple as that. And really no need to continue debating.
If you are using an iPhone 6 then you weren't on Beta 5. You were on beta 4. Beta 5 was for iPhone 7/7+. Which is why you are being prompted to download the full version of 10.1.
As you do this for a living, I will accept your explanation and I thank you for taking the time to explain it to me.
Do keep in mind, though, that while (according to what you're telling me) anecdotal evidence is considered in a court room, the world of science has a completely different approach to it.
Check the merged reply from my last post. Apple meant only to do this as a last resort when the OS is completely non-responsive. They will never recommend casually doing hard resets if a soft reset remains an option.
RAM is volatile, meaning it cannot maintain information when it is not receiving power. This is why computers can't truly power off when they're sleeping - disconnecting the battery would instantly purge the RAM and you'd lose the current session.
That being said, soft resets and hard resets accomplish the same end goal: powering off the device. When the device is off, the RAM is completely purged. Boot up from a hard reset happens in exactly the same manner as boot up from a soft reset (except, as I've previously mentioned, some OSes will run some diagnostics and integrity checks to make sure nothing crucial to the OS got corrupted). The fact that your App Store got fixed from a hard reset but not a soft reset is a total coincidence, and one of the wonders of software engineering that we gotta deal with every day.
Beta 5: Available to iPhone 7/7+ only. No update needed. Beta 5 was a full download already.
Beta 4: Update needed. Full download.
10.0.3 or 10.0.2 or lower: Update needed. Probably a delta update but could be full update depending on what version you are on.
*Edit: Sorry, this was meant to be attached to my prior post.
Beta 4: Update needed. Full download.
10.0.3 or 10.0.2 or lower: Update needed. Probably a delta update but could be full update depending on what version you are on.
*Edit: Sorry, this was meant to be attached to my prior post.
Can you give me a source from any cached versions of Apple Support where they mention specifically that you can casually do a hard reset to fix a software bug (and not a complete lock-up/unresponsiveness)? I've had iPhones since the 3G, and I've been an Apple nut since then and I have absolutely never heard them just tell people that they can do hard resets for simple things like apps crashing. They have recommended restarting (AKA just hold down power button and swipe to power off), but they've never (to my knowledge) recommended doing a hard reset.
Thank you for your response. I am grateful for that explanation and your advice. I have been building computers for a decade, but stay away from software and programming. This is all I know - I have not had adverse consequences doing this update after update, year after year. Apple, years ago, told me to do one thing and I have continued to do it. Clearly that is no longer conventional wisdom. As time goes on things changed, just like what they told us what to do with batteries.
I clearly got defensive when you said my method was completely worthless. I have had no issue with it, and I was not telling others to do it. But with that being said, I apologize if I came across as rude or disrespectful.
Exactly. We're walking around with these things that would have gotten us stoned for witchcraft only 2 lifetimes ago. Thus, naturally, they're going to be a culmination of utter technical craziness inside a tiny package.
I can not give you anything written as this was years ago. It stuck with me ever since then, and I continued to use the method as they described. If something is running in the background, or if the phone is sluggish after an update, do a hard reset to clear everything out and to kill all processes.
I came across ultra-rude at the beginning too and I apologize. I get way too defensive when I read things that don't completely align with what I've been taught. :/
We are very much alike then. When one comes in attacking what you know and have seen, you dig your feet in and fight back.