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stulaw11

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Apple cannot release a "beta" with the same build number as public/final. This is why the last beta of an incremental (10.X) update generally can't update to the public version -- they're the same. However, that doesn't mean the public/final version is any different than the final beta.

Huh? The last 2,3,4 iOS10 versions the final beta of them was the EXACT same build number to the digit/letter as the final version and no update ever appeared for beta testers.

Ie. 10.2.1 Beta 4 was 14D27, 10.2.1 final was 14D27 as well; no update for beta people from beta 4 to final. 10.2 Beta 7 was 14C92, 10.2 final was 14C92 as well.

This is the first time in a while the build number changed at all between the 2 in a while. Whether there are changes or not under the hood, or removed beta logging stuff, no one knows. They changed the build number for a reason this time.
 

C DM

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Huh? The last 2,3,4 iOS10 versions the final beta of them was the EXACT same build number to the digit/letter as the final version and no update ever appeared for beta testers.

This is the first time in a while the build number changed at all between the 2. Whether there are changes or not under the hood, or removed beta logging stuff, no one knows. They changed the build number for a reason this time.
Well, this time they changed it to remove the "beta" components of the version at least (and perhaps at most).
 

stulaw11

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Well, this time they changed it to remove the "beta" components of the version at least (and perhaps at most).

Well we dont know what was changed; the build # changed for a reason when it didn't the past 2 or 3 betas that I can recall where final beta was the same build as public final version. They arent going to publish what changed between final beta and final version to know.

If nothing at all changed there would be no need to update the build number just as 10.2 and 10.2.1 were 14D27 and 14C92 respectively final beta and final release version.

Updating to the final build here is likely in one's best interest to have the newest build available.
 

StonewallBrown

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Well we dont know what was changed; the build # changed for a reason when it didn't the past 2 or 3 betas that I can recall where final beta was the same build as public final version. They arent going to publish what changed between final beta and final version to know.

If nothing at all changed there would be no need to update the build number just as 10.2 and 10.2.1 were 14D27 and 14C92 respectively final beta and final release version.

Updating to the final build here is likely in one's best interest to have the newest build available.
This is the logic I used. Normally, I don't worry about the non beta releases. The fact the buil numbers changed, caused me to delete the beta profile and install the official release. More for a just in case.
 
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Dwalls90

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Huh? The last 2,3,4 iOS10 versions the final beta of them was the EXACT same build number to the digit/letter as the final version and no update ever appeared for beta testers.

Ie. 10.2.1 Beta 4 was 14D27, 10.2.1 final was 14D27 as well; no update for beta people from beta 4 to final. 10.2 Beta 7 was 14C92, 10.2 final was 14C92 as well.

This is the first time in a while the build number changed at all between the 2 in a while. Whether there are changes or not under the hood, or removed beta logging stuff, no one knows. They changed the build number for a reason this time.

When has a beta build number ever been released to the public (non beta program)? Never. That's my point.
 

Septembersrain

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I'm going to just delete the profile and then install. It's probably the same version but oh well.

Edit: It downloaded super fast.
I'm going to compare the final release with the beta 7 on my 7 plus. We shall see if I spot anything.
 
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gwhizkids

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I guess, on a related note, are there any features in the release version that anyone notices are expanded beyond what they were capable of doing during the beta period? Not new features, but features that were present in the betas (like extended SiriKit) but were blocked by Apple from using their full potential?
 

Spydar007

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To clear the build numbers up:

If Apple change something in a version, they will change the build numbers. Ignoring the expanded +5000 (which is used so your device can find the update), the build of beta 7 is 14E5277a. The build for the release does not have an 'a'. Therefore indicating something changed.

I would recommend everyone removes the beta profile and updates to build 14E277 to ensure the device is on the very latest version.
 

andy.ringwood

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I've just noticed a new toggle. Wi-Fi Calling... I'm on o2, I thought they didn't support it, I thought you needed to download one of their apps to do that.
 

Septembersrain

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To clear the build numbers up:

If Apple change something in a version, they will change the build numbers. Ignoring the expanded +5000 (which is used so your device can find the update), the build of beta 7 is 14E5277a. The build for the release does not have an 'a'. Therefore indicating something changed.

I would recommend everyone removes the beta profile and updates to build 14E277 to ensure the device is on the very latest version.

My 6s seems a little different. It's snappier. Could be a placebo effect but I'm comparing it with my 7 plus still on the final beta.

I haven't seen any different settings but things like Swype are faster and my browser lag is not as prominent.
 

C DM

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Well we dont know what was changed; the build # changed for a reason when it didn't the past 2 or 3 betas that I can recall where final beta was the same build as public final version. They arent going to publish what changed between final beta and final version to know.

If nothing at all changed there would be no need to update the build number just as 10.2 and 10.2.1 were 14D27 and 14C92 respectively final beta and final release version.

Updating to the final build here is likely in one's best interest to have the newest build available.
Well, the difference there is that the final beta already had a public version number associated with it rather than a beta one, so it was more like a GM essentially. In this case, the final beta didn't have the public version number so at least that part had to be updated in order to release it (with the likelihood that it was essentially like a GM otherwise).
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To clear the build numbers up:

If Apple change something in a version, they will change the build numbers. Ignoring the expanded +5000 (which is used so your device can find the update), the build of beta 7 is 14E5277a. The build for the release does not have an 'a'. Therefore indicating something changed.

I would recommend everyone removes the beta profile and updates to build 14E277 to ensure the device is on the very latest version.
The ending letter is typically also another beta type of thing and is almost never used in public release versions.
 

wbrat

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Wow, wifi calling in Poland (Orange). Didn't expect that...
And the system fills much smoother in general (iPhone6)
 

Spydar007

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The ending letter is typically also another beta type of thing and is almost never used in public release versions.
Correct. Generally, Apple will make changes between a final beta and a public release. This is highly likely considering the time between beta 7 and the public release.
 

C DM

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Correct. Generally, Apple will make changes between a final beta and a public release. This is highly likely considering the time between beta 7 and the public release.
There might be some last minute changes that are deemed important enough. With those the build number part of the version would generally change at least to some degree. In this case though it's a bit different in that only the typical beta components of the version number were removed while the version and build number have remained the same.
 

c47v3770

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Updated about 3 hours ago. No issues so far but is it worth restoring the phone (6S) as new through DFU mode?
 

pshifrin

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After updating my 7, I can't update any apps. The buttons change from update to a circle with nothing loading and then back again.

Edit: Can't download or install any app. Similar behavior.
 
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sbailey4

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When has a beta build number ever been released to the public (non beta program)? Never. That's my point.
Um the post you quoted showed 2 such examples. 10.2 and 10.2.1 but also 10.1 last beta and release were the same. Beta 4 was build 14B72 as was the publicly released version.

Resetting? I deleted the profile also but beta 7 is still showing up. Could u help with what needs to be reset? Network settings? All settings? Thanks.
Delete the profile and restart the device. No "resetting" is needed. If b7 is already downloaded you will have to delete that as well.

Updated about 3 hours ago. No issues so far but is it worth restoring the phone (6S) as new through DFU mode?
What so you can have no, no issues? :) Nah sounds like you are good I would not take a chance of creating issues. No real reason to.
 
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