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C DM

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It's definitely a nice touch. I believe they showed this at the keynote and has been in every single beta build.



It happens only with the conversation you're in and you bring up another screen within Messages (like in the example screenshot of looking at the new gif/images section of iMessage) that hides the conversation.
Works the same way on iPhones as well?
 

atlchamp

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This last beta doesn't seem as stable as beta 7. Lags more and the music app is so buggy. Fresh install too. I hope the GM is different than this build
 
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Mlrollin91

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This last beta doesn't seem as stable as beta 7. Lags more and the music app is so buggy. Fresh install too. I hope the GM is different than this build

GM will be different than this build. The final beta is never the GM when it comes to a X.0 release. But I also concur that this beta is not as stable. More app crashes and faster battery drain during usage. Standby battery is fantastic, but any screen on time and it just drains.
 
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atlchamp

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I just wish apple would make iCloud backups able to roll back to previous iOS builds without weird crap happening like the music app not working the right way.
 
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Mlrollin91

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I just wish apple would make iCloud backups able to roll back to previous iOS builds without weird crap happening like the music app not working the right way.
I wish Apple would allow Apple Watch Health and Activity to be tied to a separate backup server/system. I think its ridiculous that this is now the 3rd version of iOS that has worked with Apple Watch yet if you want to restore as new to cure software problems you have to lose all your health data.
 

roncito

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I wish Apple would allow Apple Watch Health and Activity to be tied to a separate backup server/system. I think its ridiculous that this is now the 3rd version of iOS that has worked with Apple Watch yet if you want to restore as new to cure software problems you have to lose all your health data.
You don't lose your health data if you encrypt your backups.
 

Mlrollin91

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You don't lose your health data if you encrypt your backups.

Please reread what I said. "If you restore as new". Most of the time that is Apple's first line of defense for troubleshooting. Restore as new to see if the issue still occurs. And now if I restore as new and the issue is resolved, I lose over a year of health, activity and workout data.

Ive had to do this twice now. First time after 11 months, second time after 5 months. I had 11 months of my move goal met every single day. And lost it all. I'm up to 130 days now and just waiting for a problem to occur that I have to lose it all for a third time.

It should not be part of backups. It should be a tab in iCloud like Safari, Contacts, Notes and Home. That way it can be restored after a fresh install.
 
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sbailey4

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I wish Apple would allow Apple Watch Health and Activity to be tied to a separate backup server/system. I think its ridiculous that this is now the 3rd version of iOS that has worked with Apple Watch yet if you want to restore as new to cure software problems you have to lose all your health data.
Certainly that is a good troubleshooting step. However I would advocate after you know the device is working as expected after the restore, then restore the backup. Once thats done you can reset all settings to most likely solve whatever issue there was. The backups only have your data and settings so restoring to get the iOS intact then reset all settings after the backup restore is typically all you need to do to resolve any issues. I would def try that next time. I have never had to do a full on restore as new since iP4s w/ iOS 5.0. Even using beta software since then.
 
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boston04and07

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I wish Apple would allow Apple Watch Health and Activity to be tied to a separate backup server/system. I think its ridiculous that this is now the 3rd version of iOS that has worked with Apple Watch yet if you want to restore as new to cure software problems you have to lose all your health data.

Totally agree with this. That, plus the option to sync your data to/view it on the iPad would be awesome for those who want it.
 

lagwagon

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Please reread what I said. "If you restore as new". Most of the time that is Apple's first line of defense for troubleshooting. Restore as new to see if the issue still occurs. And now if I restore as new and the issue is resolved, I lose over a year of health, activity and workout data.

Ive had to do this twice now. First time after 11 months, second time after 5 months. I had 11 months of my move goal met every single day. And lost it all. I'm up to 130 days now and just waiting for a problem to occur that I have to lose it all for a third time.

It should not be part of backups. It should be a tab in iCloud like Safari, Contacts, Notes and Home. That way it can be restored after a fresh install.

99% of watchOS to iOS issues can be fixed with an un-pair <-> re-pair. A full restore as new is almost never needed with the watch (at least from my own experience, and experience of informing people to do that step and fixing their issue.)

Also as sbailey4 has said, if you do a restore as new and everything checks out (I can almost guarantee that it got fixed due to the un-paring/re-pairing that happens with this process) then restore from backup with your data.
 

Mlrollin91

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99% of watchOS to iOS issues can be fixed with an un-pair <-> re-pair. A full restore as new is almost never needed with the watch (at least from my own experience, and experience of informing people to do that step and fixing their issue.)

Also as sbailey4 has said, if you do a restore as new and everything checks out (I can almost guarantee that it got fixed due to the un-paring/re-pairing that happens with this process) then restore from backup with your data.

Not referring to watch issues, but iOS issues. For example. I was having battery problems last month with my 6s. It was shutting off at 60% and would stop charging at 80%. They absolutely refused to do anything but run tests until I did a full and completely restore as new. That requires me to lose all my health and activity data. I refused, went home and called AppleCare+. AppleCare sent me a replacement no questions asked because it's not intended behavior to stop charging at 80%. The issue is, as stated above. Apple's first line of defense is to do a restore as new and you will lose you health and activity data.

To sbailey4's point, I can definitely do what was suggested. Restore as new, restore backup then reset all settings. But, Apple's diagnostics will know so it will not satisfy their requirement of a restore as new to see if the issue is resolved.

They need to break apart health and activity from backups and the problem would be solved.
 

lagwagon

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Not referring to watch issues, but iOS issues. For example. I was having battery problems last month with my 6s. It was shutting off at 60% and would stop charging at 80%. They absolutely refused to do anything but run tests until I did a full and completely restore as new. That requires me to lose all my health and activity data. I refused, went home and called AppleCare+. AppleCare sent me a replacement no questions asked because it's not intended behavior to stop charging at 80%. The issue is, as stated above. Apple's first line of defense is to do a restore as new and you will lose you health and activity data.

To sbailey4's point, I can definitely do what was suggested. Restore as new, restore backup then reset all settings. But, Apple's diagnostics will know so it will not satisfy their requirement of a restore as new to see if the issue is resolved.

They need to break apart health and activity from backups and the problem would be solved.

They actually kinda did (sort of)

As of iOS 10 you can export your health data and from a few people I read that it's possible to import back in. Not sure how the importing in works, but the export button is found in the Health App.
 

Mlrollin91

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They actually kinda did (sort of)

As of iOS 10 you can export your health data and from a few people I read that it's possible to import back in. Not sure how the importing in works, but the export button is found in the Health App.

There was also an export button in iOS 9. Its the import that is weird. But that doesn't export activity, achievements and workouts. Its only the hard data values.
 

Mlrollin91

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Certainly that is a good troubleshooting step. However I would advocate after you know the device is working as expected after the restore, then restore the backup. Once thats done you can reset all settings to most likely solve whatever issue there was. The backups only have your data and settings so restoring to get the iOS intact then reset all settings after the backup restore is typically all you need to do to resolve any issues. I would def try that next time. I have never had to do a full on restore as new since iP4s w/ iOS 5.0. Even using beta software since then.

I don't know if you have an Apple Watch, but does anyone know what happens if you reset all settings on an iPhone paired to an Apple Watch?
 

sbailey4

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Not referring to watch issues, but iOS issues. For example. I was having battery problems last month with my 6s. It was shutting off at 60% and would stop charging at 80%. They absolutely refused to do anything but run tests until I did a full and completely restore as new. That requires me to lose all my health and activity data. I refused, went home and called AppleCare+. AppleCare sent me a replacement no questions asked because it's not intended behavior to stop charging at 80%. The issue is, as stated above. Apple's first line of defense is to do a restore as new and you will lose you health and activity data.

To sbailey4's point, I can definitely do what was suggested. Restore as new, restore backup then reset all settings. But, Apple's diagnostics will know so it will not satisfy their requirement of a restore as new to see if the issue is resolved.

They need to break apart health and activity from backups and the problem would be solved.
Wait what I was saying is to do as Apple states and see if it works and that there is no hardware issue. THEN once you know all is well restore backups and such. If the device misbehaves after their recommended restore as new then they should be satisfied to replace it if need be. But wait and see if its sorted out before you restore backups. Sounds like you got it resolved tho so great. I assume you could restore your backed up health data to the new device. But yeah if they had a separate way to keep that data it would be nice.
 

Mlrollin91

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Wait what I was saying is to do as Apple states and see if it works and that there is no hardware issue. THEN once you know all is well restore backups and such. If the device misbehaves after their recommended restore as new then they should be satisfied to replace it if need be. But wait and see if its sorted out before you restore backups. Sounds like you got it resolved tho so great. I assume you could restore your backed up health data to the new device. But yeah if they had a separate way to keep that data it would be nice.

The only issue with waiting and see before I restore to that backup is that I'm on a move streak goal. So waiting to see if the issue is resolved to Apple's liking could potentially risk losing that move goal. Which takes me back to my whole point, which you note above. Health and activity shouldn't be tied to a backup, but tied to iCloud directly. It would make things so much easier.
 
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sbailey4

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I don't know if you have an Apple Watch, but does anyone know what happens if you reset all settings on an iPhone paired to an Apple Watch?
I do not have the watch but all wifi networks, BT devices disappear and all settings default to the iOS defaults. So I would assume the watch would have to be paired again.
 

Mlrollin91

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I do not have the watch but all wifi networks, BT devices disappear and all settings default to the iOS defaults. So I would assume the watch would have to be paired again.

I ended up contacting Apple Support and asking them. Surprisingly it does not unpair your Apple Watch. I've been experiencing some glitches since Beta 8 that I haven't had on prior betas, so I attempted your method. Restored as new, restored encrypted backup and reset all settings. Everything just finished. Gonna let it sit for a little before I mess around with it. Definitely takes a little while to re-go through all the settings and reconfigure, but if it cures the glitches, its definitely faster than a full restore as new! Thanks for the advice!
 
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KALLT

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After looking for it half an hour, I've just realized that they changed the emoji "grinning face with smiling eyes". Very disappointed with the new one... I loved the previous one.
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Damn that looks disturbing. The current one has a cheekiness or naughtiness to it, whereas the new one looks rather creepy and brooding. I am going to miss this one, it is in my top 5. So unnecessary and ugly this entire palette.
 
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