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Will iOS 10 have a proper redesign?

  • Yes: The current UI has gotten stale and needs an overhaul

    Votes: 65 25.2%
  • No: Apple will drag it out the current UI as long as they can

    Votes: 193 74.8%

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Armen

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iOS is simple to use and yet there are those who either find it too simple and/or want to make it like android.

iOS is already going down that path. There are 3 gestures on the home screen alone that reveal information (control center, notification center, spotlight search) that the average person doesn't even know exists.
 

flori13

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iOS is already going down that path. There are 3 gestures on the home screen alone that reveal information (control center, notification center, spotlight search) that the average person doesn't even know exists.
but the great thing on the other hand is that you dont NEED any of those features. my gf did not know these 3 swipes before I told her... and she could use her iPhone completely fine.
IMO they should heavily improve the tips app, idk what apple is doing with that to be honest.
 

Armen

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but the great thing on the other hand is that you dont NEED any of those features. my gf did not know these 3 swipes before I told her... and she could use her iPhone completely fine.
IMO they should heavily improve the tips app, idk what apple is doing with that to be honest.

My mom has accidentally enabled do not disturb and airplane mode from the control center a few times. It just adds confusion
 

C DM

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My mom has accidentally enabled do not disturb and airplane mode from the control center a few times. It just adds confusion
While I get what you are saying, at least in concept, on the other hand, it's better to have the option to use those things than not to have them simply to keep the device as simple as possible so that some people are potentially less confused.
 
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flori13

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My mom has accidentally enabled do not disturb and airplane mode from the control center a few times. It just adds confusion
there's a way to disable cc, at least on the lock screen.
the majority of people who were used to iOS plead Apple to introduce shortcuts, because going to settings all the time (and the app of the notification) simply took to long.
So the question comes down to: "how do I create shortcuts that are available on any screen at ANY given moment?"
IMO swiping gestures were the right thing to do. (excluding spotlight search, I agree this could be better implemented)
Never use it for important stuff, just for shortcuts. A button would create even more confusion, because these are the first thing newcomers see. and removing them would be two step backwards.
 

BillyMatt87

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Hundreds of users think the same as OP but are such a small minority of the hundreds of millions of iOS users worldwide. The vast majority like how it is currently or they don't even care if the UI is like iOS 6 or iOS 9 or however it will look in iOS 148. They simply just use their device in how it is presented to them. They don't worry about if a button looks like a button from 4+ years ago and then complain about it. (quite frankly if someone doesn't know what a "button" in iOS 7-9 after 3 years looks like by now, I don't know what else to say to them.)
But why does OS X still have normal looking buttons for its point-and-click interface but not iOS for its touch-based UI which needs that style even more?
 

ericgtr12

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I would be happy with a music player that just played my MP3 files without having to read a book on how to do it. Even just a stripped down version. I ended up purchasing a third party app for just the basic player/playlist functions.
 
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BillyMatt87

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I would be happy with a music player that just played my MP3 files without having to read a book on how to do it. Even just a stripped down version. I ended up purchasing a third party app for just the basic player/playlist functions.
I agree! I want the old music app back! Regardless of a system-wide redesign, the music app needs a complete overhaul. Listening to music on an iPhone is no fun anymore...
 
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Hugetrn

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Especially if your product is for wide range of people, redesigning is not an easy thing. You have to come up with something that majority of people will like thus creating such a thing takes time. In cases like this, more basic you go the better because you will appeal to more people just by simplicity and since the current design is basic enough imo, no, it will not have a redesign. Not yet, for that matter.
 

Shardlake

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I would have thought being iOS 10 there might be some sort of overhaul. Anniversary and all that.

I think it looks ok just now. There isn't much you can really do with it. Better functionality yadda yadda.

I think they'll be pinning their hopes on hardware and a few tweaks here and there.

However, with many new start up companies popping up, NextBit and OnePlus for example bringing out some great looking devices with great features, Apple will need to something in the next year or so to refresh itself.
 

Altis

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I agree! I want the old music app back! Regardless of a system-wide redesign, the music app needs a complete overhaul. Listening to music on an iPhone is no fun anymore...

The music app has turned into a store. They're trying to sell you.

Those of us who just want to put our music on the phone from our iTunes library and listen to it on the go aren't Apple's focus anymore.

I think that iOS is made with a very specific set of usage in mind.
 
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BillyMatt87

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The music app has turned into a store. They're trying to sell you.

Those of us who just want to put our music on the phone from our iTunes library and listen to it on the go aren't Apple's focus anymore.

I think that iOS is made with a very specific set of usage in mind.
The irony of all this is that Apple has essentially forgotten the main reason they became so popular in the first place.
 

Armen

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The music app has turned into a store. They're trying to sell you.

Those of us who just want to put our music on the phone from our iTunes library and listen to it on the go aren't Apple's focus anymore.

I think that iOS is made with a very specific set of usage in mind.

Consumers these days consume music through music streaming services such as Spotify, Pandora, Apple Music, Tidal and others because it offers music discovery, social sharing and offline modes.

People like you and me who buy or download music and then sync to our phones are a dying breed. I don't blame Apple for focusing on the streaming model honestly. Even T-Mobile is behind this model by not letting music streaming services be used against your data cap.
 

lagwagon

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Consumers these days consume music through music streaming services such as Spotify, Pandora, Apple Music, Tidal and others because it offers music discovery, social sharing and offline modes.

People like you and me who buy or download music and then sync to our phones are a dying breed. I don't blame Apple for focusing on the streaming model honestly. Even T-Mobile is behind this model by not letting music streaming services be used against your data cap.

You (others) can still buy, download and sync no differently than before though.

You're right, more and more are moving to streaming only. I personally do both. I have 33GB sync'd to my phone (before Apple Music even started) and have music added to that to fill holes with Apple Music. It's one seamless Library, 95% my previously sync'd, purchased music and 5% albums added from Apple Music. Not once have I been "rrrraaaaaawwwwwwrrrrrr!!! Apple make it impossible to play my own music!" like the very, very few seem to make it out to be.

I'm not saying you're complaining, but to everyone else who actually are. Is it really such a hard life to literally tap ONE button? (My Music tab)

Like seriously. I don't get how the few in this thread can complain about tapping ONE button to get to their sync'd music.
 

Armen

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You (others) can still buy, download and sync no differently than before though.

You're right, more and more are moving to streaming only. I personally do both. I have 33GB sync'd to my phone (before Apple Music even started) and have music added to that to fill holes with Apple Music. It's one seamless Library, 95% my previously sync'd, purchased music and 5% albums added from Apple Music. Not once have I been "rrrraaaaaawwwwwwrrrrrr!!! Apple make it impossible to play my own music!" like the very, very few seem to make it out to be.

I'm not saying you're complaining, but to everyone else who actually are. Is it really such a hard life to literally tap ONE button? (My Music tab)

Like seriously. I don't get how the few in this thread can complain about tapping ONE button to get to their sync'd music.

Well, I didn't want to be the one who said it but I don't have problems with iTunes like others have reported (missing art, songs not syncing) and I'm content enough with Apple's native music app (you can turn off Apple connect and other features) not to use a 3rd party player.

I'd consider a streaming service if I had unlimited data (which I don't) or if Verizon didn't use media streaming against my data cap (which they do).
 

lagwagon

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I'd consider a streaming service if I had unlimited data (which I don't) or if Verizon didn't use media streaming against my data cap (which they do).

Here in Canada data plans are ridiculously expensive. (The carrier I'm on charges over $300 for 15GB.) So I only pay for less than 1GB (I bet people in the US can get 6+ GB for what I pay for less than 1.) So how I work around that is anything I add from Apple Music I download for offline while I'm on wifi. My ISP has a ton of free wifi points just about everywhere in the city, so times off wifi are much fewer than on. (Because there are so many free wifi spots provided by my ISP I barely ever go over 200MB a month in data.)
 

oldmacs

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I'm not saying you're complaining, but to everyone else who actually are. Is it really such a hard life to literally tap ONE button? (My Music tab)

Like seriously. I don't get how the few in this thread can complain about tapping ONE button to get to their sync'd music.

Because its not just one tap, its multiple taps everywhere just to do something that was a one tap from everywhere. Its a clear regression and I find it hard to see how even the most devoted Apple fan could dress it up as something other than that. I don't pay overpriced premiums to expect poor design and regression in usability, if I wanted that than I'd buy any old cheap device.

Using that logic, maybe Safari should be redesigned so you have to tap it 4 times to search for something. How about the phone App be redesigned so you can't easily switch between keypad, voicemail, favourites, contacts and recents. After all its just a few more taps.
 

Armen

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Here in Canada data plans are ridiculously expensive. (The carrier I'm on charges over $300 for 15GB.) So I only pay for less than 1GB (I bet people in the US can get 6+ GB for what I pay for less than 1.) So how I work around that is anything I add from Apple Music I download for offline while I'm on wifi. My ISP has a ton of free wifi points just about everywhere in the city, so times off wifi are much fewer than on. (Because there are so many free wifi spots provided by my ISP I barely ever go over 200MB a month in data.)

I pay $80 USD for a 10GB data plan with Verizon. i'm at 5GB already and don't even stream music. I do FaceTime audio calls with my wife because the quality is super clear and listen to podcasts every now and then over cellular.
 

lagwagon

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Because its not just one tap, its multiple taps everywhere just to do something that was a one tap from everywhere. Its a clear regression and I find it hard to see how even the most devoted Apple fan could dress it up as something other than that. I don't pay overpriced premiums to expect poor design and regression in usability, if I wanted that than I'd buy any old cheap device.

Using that logic, maybe Safari should be redesigned so you have to tap it 4 times to search for something. How about the phone App be redesigned so you can't easily switch between keypad, voicemail, favourites, contacts and recents. After all its just a few more taps.

Not everyone constantly (or at all) swaps between Artist, Album, Song view (which is probably what you're refering to by all these "extra taps".) So no, it's not extra taps or a regression for everyone. Not everything in this world needs to revolve around you and you're needs because you don't like how something is.

There are quicker things too in the redesign. An example being if you wanted to shuffle all for one artist. All you need to do is scroll to the artist in the artist view and tap the square image/cover art to the left of the artist name in the list and it plays/shuffles all for that artist without even tapping into the artist. Saving you the tap to get into the artist to play/shuffle all by that artist. Same can be applied to Playlists. In the playlist view, tap the square image/cover art on the left and it plays/shuffles that playlist. Saving you the tap to get into that playlist to play/shuffle it. (Also applies to Genre view.)
 

oldmacs

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Not everyone constantly (or at all) swaps between Artist, Album, Song view (which is probably what you're refering to by all these "extra taps".) So no, it's not extra taps or a regression for everyone. Not everything in this world needs to revolve around you and you're needs because you don't like how something is.

And your data on that is? Got any evidence as to how people use/used their music App?

Not everyone in the world revolves around how you use your device either, as you have obviously decided swapping between those tabs is the superior way of doing things.

Yes it is a regression and I understand the need to stick up for everything apple does, but it in no way makes things easier at all. The fact that other improvements have been made in no way excuses lost usability, and they could have preserved the easy switching between tabs as well as keeping other improvements.
 

BillyMatt87

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And your data on that is? Got any evidence as to how people use/used their music App?

Not everyone in the world revolves around how you use your device either, as you have obviously decided swapping between those tabs is the superior way of doing things.

Yes it is a regression and I understand the need to stick up for everything apple does, but it in no way makes things easier at all. The fact that other improvements have been made in no way excuses lost usability, and they could have preserved the easy switching between tabs as well as keeping other improvements.

Not to mention the lack of customization with the tabs and other removed features. I would say the current music app is a huge downgrade, even from iOS 7-8.3 which itself was a downgrade from iOS 6.

The last time I checked, software updates should make me wanna update to them, not stay on the current version because it's the lesser of two evil or wishing I was on an older version because I didn't realize how good it really was. Until iOS 7, I was always looking forward to updating to the latest version of iOS, because I knew it would simply build on the previous iterations, not remove or change anything for the sake of it.
 

oldmacs

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Not to mention the lack of customization with the tabs and other removed features. I would say the current music app is a huge downgrade, even from iOS 7-8.3 which itself was a downgrade from iOS 6.

This is literally the biggest problem, but we all know Apple hates customisation, and even worse, customisation that takes focus away from something (Apple music in this case) that makes them money. Just return customisation as the current waste of space on the bottom menu when Apple Music is turned off is stupid.
 

Krandor

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I think there will be at least some type of redesign mainly because of the iPad pro which is what I'm on right now. The current format on the big screen leaves a lot of empty space on the screen. That needs to be addressed. So I wouldn't be surprised if you at least got the ability to move icons around outside of the "grid". I'd still love more proper widgets on the home screen as well.
 
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BillyMatt87

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I think there will be at least some type of redesign mainly because of the iPad pro which is what I'm on right now. The current format on the big screen leaves a lot of empty space on the screen. That needs to be addressed. So I wouldn't be surprised if you at least got the ability to move icons around outside of the "grid". I'd still love more proper widgets on the home screen as well.
I don't think Apple knows how to properly design a UI for tablets anymore. I think the optimization was done much better pre-iOS 7 but now it truly feels like a blown-up iPhone interface.
 

WinterWolf90

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I don't have a problem with the design right now. There is a ceiling to the level of things you can change. I do think the music app is more complicated than it needs to be at the current moment. Other than that I don't really have a gripe about the way I use the phone. I do think the proactive component could be a lot better if they are going to advertise it. It hasn't really changed how I do anything and the far left screen is useless except for news. It would be better off as a widget screen or something.
 
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