iOS 11 a foreshadow of an underwhelming 10 year iPhone release?

[Math889]

Yes Math, 11 is greater than 10. As is customary, we'd expect better performance from the newest chip. Following that general trend, we can extrapolate that subsequent chips will also outperform the previous generations going forward for the unforeseen future (so there's no need to inform us next year that the A12 is likely to beat out an A11 or A11X.)

What's your point? Or were you simply intending to state the obvious?

The obvious haha

 

[chriscrowlee]

Minor? Really? The A10 is practically the fastest and most efficient SoC out there (only beaten by the A10X), while the competitors are still catching up to the A9. You call that minor?

Seriously, is appearance your only concern on a smartphone?

Do iMessages send faster? Do you really notice a difference in Safari load time? Does Facebook load faster? Cause those 3 things comprise 99% of what people do on their smart phone at any given time. Yeah, appearance is everything. When new car models come out, most people notice they replaced an old LCD dash with a 12 inch LED touch screen, but most don't care that it gets 37 mpg instead of 35 mpg.

It's funny that someone in an APPLE forum would criticize someone for wanting aesthetics over functionality. That's Apple's whole MO. You can always get more specs and better performance from the competition.

 

[Feenician]

Do iMessages send faster? Do you really notice a difference in Safari load time? Does Facebook load faster? Cause those 3 things comprise 99% of what people do on their smart phone at any given time. Yeah, appearance is everything. When new car models come out, most people notice they replaced an old LCD dash with a 12 inch LED touch screen, but most don't care that it gets 37 mpg instead of 35 mpg.

It's funny that someone in an APPLE forum would criticize someone for wanting aesthetics over functionality. That's Apple's whole MO. You can always get more specs and better performance from the competition.

You cannot get better performance than the iPhone. Period.

 

[chriscrowlee]

You cannot get better performance than the iPhone. Period.

You missed the whole point to my comment. How fast is "fast" when sending an iMessage. I've never thought to myself, gosh when I click "Insert Photo" I have to wait so long... not back in the days of iOS 7, and not now. So to keep upping the processor does nothing for average users. My mom hasn't gotten an iPhone in 3 years. Why? Because a new one wouldn't do anything that her 6+ doesn't do for her uses. Which is why I think so many people don't care, because they're really dumb-phone, "it just works" users who don't care about customization, etc. I guess it just goes to show a large percentage of the iOS\iPhone user base don't care to have their own identity or customize their phone.
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You cannot get better performance than the iPhone. Period.

And as several reviews have pointed out, SGS8 beat iPhone 7 Plus in app opening speed, camera launch time, gaming performance, and wifi speed. So me thinks your comment might be up for debate by an unbiased party.

 

[Golasen]

Do you take that approach to everything in life? If you're unhappy with politics in the country, do you move to another country, or try to push for change (vote)? If you're dissatisfied with your job, do you just quit, or do you go to your boss and ask for more challenge\change? If you check into a hotel and the room doesn't have something you want in it, do you just leave the hotel, or do you talk to the front desk?

The "if you don't like it, go away" argument is tired and silly. Get some new material. If you don't hold the makers of the products you buy to a standard, what incentive do they have to improve on a product? Competition drives the market, but consumers ultimately have to have expectations, or the competition will fill the customers' wants.

But thanks for your utterly amazing response. It contributed so so much.

If you dont like one particular brand, stop buying. This is the consumers power - and is the only incentive that works. When the sales are good, little changes.

 

[chriscrowlee]

If you dont like one particular brand, stop buying. This is the consumers power - and is the only incentive that works. When the sales are good, little changes.

Yeah that logic is BS. Look at the Samsung Galaxy series evolution over time. It's always sold well, and always added new features. Look at Honda Civic, every 3 years or so it's updated with groundbreaking new features and technology.

Bottom line, it's a stagnant product. Nothing revolutionary in years. Apple is no longer gaining marketshare. When you simple hold steady at 10% and expect people to stick around forever, it's the beginning of the end.

But hey, you exemplify my point. Users who expect nothing, so they get nothing.

 

[mib1800]

Yeah that logic is BS. Look at the Samsung Galaxy series evolution over time. It's always sold well, and always added new features. Look at Honda Civic, every 3 years or so it's updated with groundbreaking new features and technology.

Bottom line, it's a stagnant product. Nothing revolutionary in years. Apple is no longer gaining marketshare. When you simple hold steady at 10% and expect people to stick around forever, it's the beginning of the end.

But hey, you exemplify my point. Users who expect nothing, so they get nothing.

Apple has blindingly loyal customers who will keep plonking down cash for years to come.

 

[Feenician]

You missed the whole point to my comment. How fast is "fast" when sending an iMessage. I've never thought to myself, gosh when I click "Insert Photo" I have to wait so long... not back in the days of iOS 7, and not now. So to keep upping the processor does nothing for average users. My mom hasn't gotten an iPhone in 3 years. Why? Because a new one wouldn't do anything that her 6+ doesn't do for her uses. Which is why I think so many people don't care, because they're really dumb-phone, "it just works" users who don't care about customization, etc. I guess it just goes to show a large percentage of the iOS\iPhone user base don't care to have their own identity or customize their phone.
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And as several reviews have pointed out, SGS8 beat iPhone 7 Plus in app opening speed, camera launch time, gaming performance, and wifi speed. So me thinks your comment might be up for debate by an unbiased party.

Firstly, decorating your phone like a pre-teen girl decorates her trapper keeper is not "having an identity".

Second, what incredible new features has, for example, the SGS8 brought that take advantage of all its power?

Absolute nonsense.

 

[chriscrowlee]

Firstly, decorating your phone like a pre-teen girl decorates her trapper keeper is not "having an identity".

I think I'd argue being forced to have the same quarter-sized icons as I had on my screen in 2006, making it look like a toy would be more like a pre-teen girl.

I don't think customizing icon layout is like a pre-teen girl putting my little pony decals on her screen, but if you think those kinda things are unimportant, you may want to go back and watch the WWDC keynote and see all the time Apple spent on iMessage stickers and emojis and silly garbage. Apple is doing exactly that.

 

[Feenician]

I think I'd argue being forced to have the same quarter-sized icons as I had on my screen in 2006, making it look like a toy would be more like a pre-teen girl.

I don't think customizing icon layout is like a pre-teen girl putting my little pony decals on her screen, but if you think those kinda things are unimportant, you may want to go back and watch the WWDC keynote and see all the time Apple spent on iMessage stickers and emojis and silly garbage. Apple is doing exactly that.

“Communication tools are the same thing as being obsessed with placing icons”
- You

Btw stickers and emoji were barely mentioned this year.

What is the point of this thread? You know, I know and everybody else knows Apple are not going to let youy change the system font to Comic Sans and install that Transformers icon set you so cherish. If you want that, go buy a Galaxy S8, mumble about specs and customisation and ignore the fact that the S8 got its ass handed to it by a phone 6 months older than it.

https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/04/samsung-galaxy-s8-review/

I’m out

 

[EM2013]

And as several reviews have pointed out, SGS8 beat iPhone 7 Plus in app opening speed, camera launch time, gaming performance, and wifi speed. So me thinks your comment might be up for debate by an unbiased party.

Where are you getting your fake news from? Here's one link of many that discredits what you said.

"Quite simply the iPhone 7 delivers a much faster and vastly smoother software experience compared to the Galaxy S8."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...one-7-review-should-you-upgrade/#2bbdcf01dbe9

 

[I7guy]

Apple has blindingly loyal customers who will keep plonking down cash for years to come.

And why would anyone care about how someone else spends their own money and the reasons for the purchase?

 

[Geert76]

And why would anyone care about how someone else spends their own money and the reasons for the purchase?

where in his post does he mentions anyone cares how someone spends his money?

@mib1800 is just stating a real fact. I know some people don't like to see the truth, but its simply there

 

[akash.nu]

I'm still laughing my head off after reading the last few posts. thanks for making my morning guys.

 

[inkahauts]

I absolutely agree with every request you have for the hardware. Does that mean you give Apple a pass on software because they're working on hardware? Look at a jailbreak forum, and you'll see what people want Apple to do with the iOS.

I feel like I have a child's toy when I have a 6 inch screen on my phone, but I'm only "allowed" to have 4 icons across, and 6 icons down. Can you imagine if Apple enforced the same proportionate requirements of what you can have on your desktop? That's my biggest gripe with iPhone.

Pick up an Android, go into Settings, and check out everything you can customize in there. Check out the features it has that nobody thinks is important, but when you see the list of things you can do, you'll say wait a second, why doesn't Apple do this?

But hey, kudos to Apple to let me send fireworks with my iMessage, or integrating my Starbucks App into iMessage so I can send someone a Starbucks card through iMessage instead of email. I'm sure glad Apple is focusing on what's important.... changing to "signal dots" instead of signal bars... oh wait, guess that didn't work out too well, iOS 11 bringing back signal bars... wonder how many thousands of developer hours that took to come up with and now undo.

I feel like every iOS is a repetition of the last... everyone posts these big wish lists and Apple ignores it. You'd think at the very least, they'd let me put a weather widget on my home screen, or maybe let me put the icons where I want them? It's just getting old... real old. And I'm bored. When my desktop screen gets boring, I can change the wallpaper and re-arrange icons. When my living room gets tired, I can shuffle the furniture in an arrangement that's new and different. In an Apple world, none of this is possible.

I've yet to have someone show me anything that an android can do that I am unhappy isn't on my iPhone. I have however seen lots of stuff on android I dislike and am glad I do not have to deal with on iOS... so to each his own... if you think android is so much better go for it.

 

[I7guy]

where in his post does he mentions anyone cares how someone spends his money?

@mib1800 is just stating a real fact. I know some people don't like to see the truth, but its simply there

The word "blindly" is a value judgement. Does this really require an explanation.? as you see the same "thing" as fact or truth gives me a good laugh and is a textbook case of observational bias.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

I've yet to have someone show me anything that an android can do that I am unhappy isn't on my iPhone. I have however seen lots of stuff on android I dislike and am glad I do not have to deal with on iOS... so to each his own... if you think android is so much better go for it.

This is a really good point. Android tends to include a ton of new features every go-round, yet have of them don't work well and the system as a whole isn't a concise and efficient overall package. The one or two features that work in the bleeding edge samsung will make it to apple in a gen or two and it will work within the context of everything else.

 

[DNichter]

It's a dumb argument. iOS and Apple hardware brings way more features every year than any other competitor. If you don't like iOS, there are other options. I am not even really sure what people are asking for at this point.

 

[CTHarrryH]

The issue for many people is if they are features they don't use or don't care about then they don't exist. I also love it when people say the 3 things people do most - I have never run facebook on my phone and I may get or send 5 messages a day. Many articles have stated that IOS 11 is one of the biggest most feature updates in many years.

 

[Krevnik]

After watching the keynote and seeing what Apple has up its sleeves for iOS 11, I'm a bit skeptical that the iPhone 8 (or whatever they'll call it this fall) will live up to the hype that people are making it out to be. For three years now, Apple has delivered consistently unremarkable updates to iPhone. If this year's iOS preview is any indication of what's coming, I think we're all in for a disappointing September\October.

3D Touch and Pencil support both showed up very, very late in the iOS 9 beta cycle. I'm not even sure they showed up anywhere but the GM build. They are not going to tip their hand on hardware-specific features at WWDC. That hasn't been how they've worked. If there are changes to support the hardware, they will show up in a build the day they announce the hardware. Think Touch Bar, 3D Touch, Pencil, Force Touch, etc, etc, etc.

I'm sure glad Apple is focusing on what's important.... changing to "signal dots" instead of signal bars... oh wait, guess that didn't work out too well, iOS 11 bringing back signal bars... wonder how many thousands of developer hours that took to come up with and now undo.

Yeah, that's not how development works.

 

[Radon87000]

The word "blindly" is a value judgement. Does this really require an explanation.? as you see the same "thing" as fact or truth gives me a good laugh and is a textbook case of observational bias.

Yes blindly is a correct word. Do you know how embarrassing it is to say 750P when my buddies are all flaunting 2K OLED displays. And thats not even considering how much outdated iOS is compared to Android. We have a 6 inch screen and I cant open 2 apps at once something Android has done for over a year. We still cant set default apps. No option to download custom file formats,change voice assistants etc.

There isnt a single feature on iOS which is not there on Android whereas a case can be made for vioce versa

 

[I7guy]

Yes blindly is a correct word. Do you know how embarrassing it is to say 750P when my buddies are all flaunting 2K OLED displays. And thats not even considering how much outdated iOS is compared to Android. We have a 6 inch screen and I cant open 2 apps at once something Android has done for over a year. We still cant set default apps. No option to download custom file formats,change voice assistants etc.

There isnt a single feature on iOS which is not there on Android whereas a case can be made for vioce versa

Do you know how embarrassing it is when my friend with the s8 asked for help with connecting to wifi , or lag or pink screen? Or how to setup a device identically to another device or use native video calling? Or why a one year old phone demolishes a new phone in benchmarks?

No you cannot claim to know why people purchase anything outside of your realm.

 

[Mi1lion]

Work at Apple and make iOS better for all of us...

 

[Radon87000]

Do you know how embarrassing it is when my friend with the s8 asked for help with connecting to wifi

Works the same as on iOS. If he cant connect to wifi on Android, he will face the same problem on iOS

, or lag

Fortunately the S8 wont be unusable in 2019 unlike the current iPhones

or pink screen?

Already fixed in a software update

Or how to setup a device identically to another device

Titanium Backup

or use native video calling?

Does it work with all relevant operating systems in existence?

Or why a one year old phone demolishes a new phone in benchmarks?

Or getting demolished in display tests

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Works the same as on iOS. If he cant connect to wifi on Android, he will face the same problem on iOS



Fortunately the S8 wont be unusable in 2019 unlike the current iPhones



Already fixed in a software update


Titanium Backup


Does it work with all relevant operating systems in existence?


Or getting demolished in display tests

This is so funny. LOL. I have had so many android phones. Of course, I had an Samsung for work, but they had us all switch to iPhones, why? Security. What does that tell you. But come on, there is no way that one can say the current iPhones will not be usable in 2019. Seriously.