And people shouldn't like what you don't like right? Because you are tired of an operating system means the rest of us should be tired of it too because you are so smart, creative and have tested all the phones and are here to let the rest of us know how we should feel about our phones. Did I cover just about everything?
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iOS 11 a foreshadow of an underwhelming 10 year iPhone release?
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Logical fallacy, what?
Great Improvement, what?
Kindergarten level discussion, I guess if you are in kindergarten iOS 11 may in fact seem like a huge leap.
How is iOS 11 is a stepping ground for further improvement vs iOS 10, iOS 9 and etc? Weren't they all.
Philosophical shift??? Are you nuts? Oh, I see, now we will have file access and drag and drop on iPads. WOW, WOW, WOW!!! It only took 10 years. I believe Jailbreak community had it for 8-9 years. Great job Apple. Very forward thinking.
It is certainly more complicated for older people, for other people it's mostly moving furniture around.
iOS is next thing in computing????? Ok, maybe or maybe not. Did you see the latest MS Surface??
What door are you talking about? The last 3 versions of the iPhone changed less then the global temperature in the same time period. iOS 11 is like iOS 7. Oh I must of forgot the main improvement in iOS 11 is the signal bars. Those are a killer!!! Apple proved that going from 5 signal bars to 5 circles to then 4 signal bars is possible. Can you guess what signal indicator will look like in the future??? Could it be 4 circle bars? Now that would be something. That would be a leap beyond our current ability to comprehend.
The reason I lost you at "Android", is due to hypnotic effect all those Apples had on you. Stop with the cool-aid and door openings, open your eyes and put your Apple devices down. There is a chance that you may be saved.
I love Apple and I love HTC and I love Samsung. There are all great, but when they deliver subpar $1000 phone, one must have enough bravery to call it out.
In the end, Apple's original iPhone OS Home screen looks almost the same as the latest and greatest iOS 11. The only thing is different are the icons (thanks iOS 7) and background picture and transparency effect.
Drag & Drop on a touch interface, done right. Show me a good touch-based drag & drop outside iOS 11 (selecting multiple files, behind the scenes things when you drop a, say, video into a drawing app, etc.) As far as I know, iOS 11 iPads are the only devices where you can work in two apps like it's the same app - no Windows focus shifts, I am talking about directly manipulating two apps at once, dragging between them, etc.
Even with all that, however, I am not claiming Apple invented hot water here, just that they implemented it in a really good way.
Before you respond - again, show me a touch based device that does drag & drop - WITH TOUCH - better. Or even just 'good', for that matter.
I'll just repeat: please show me a jailbreak drag & drop that works in a good way.
Yes, and I think it's a very forward thinking device, and just like iPads, still very far from the place it needs to reach.
Both Microsoft and Apple are investing long term into "the next thing", the next usage paradigm, call it what you will. Neither iOS nor Surface is there: iOS is still not capable enough, Windows is still not touch friendly enough. The question is who will get there first - will iOS become fully capable first, or will Windows become touch friendly first.
Some people don't understand that good solutions are hard. If you're not impressed with iOS drag & drop, I am curious what you think of the fact that Windows is just now, 5 years after the Surface came out, getting a touch-friendly version of Explorer. Still doesn't have it, but they are working on it.
Good UX is hard and it takes time.
In fact, you inadvertently nailed it: iOS is very much still the same iOS, still simple to use, but this time with complex productivity features. That is an achievement. Just like one day Windows will still be the same Windows, but actually usable without a mouse/trackpad.
Can we cut it with the cynicism?
You guys are not even trying any more. There are different ways to say someone has fallen under the influence of populism and marketing other than "cool-aid". If you're trying to imply I'm delusional, at least try not to repeat the same identical wording you all keep repeating.
Also, I use a large number of devices, each with their pluses and minuses. I have great respect for the Surface line. My eyes are open. Perhaps your expectations should be, you know, realistic?
Sorry, but all Samsung does is make subpar phones. As for iPhones, with all their faults, they are the best phones on the market.
Which is bad why, exactly? The issues with iOS were never about how the Home screen looks like, but how you use the device. The easy way to try to fix certain issues is to throw a bunch of widgets on the home screen, like Android tried and failed. Even Google is giving up on that and trying REAL ways to improve the experience: like machine learning and AI (just like Apple, and add AR to their efforts as well). These have the real potential to change how we use our devices.... while home screens remain looking the same.
Unlike you, I won't ask you to open your eyes, that is silly. I will ask you to think about the things you see. Home screen layout has nothing to do with the challenges of mobile computing.
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Drag and Drop maybe infinitely ahead of the rest. But I does nothing for my phone experience. It does not make my phone smarter.
Why do you not see the benefit of having SMART options like many ANDROIDS do? You are simply not answering that.
Smart locations, smart stay are very very helpful on a mobile phone. Not the Drag and Drop.
I am very respectful of how Apple raises the bar on how they implement things, but you have to realize that Drag & Drop are not going to enhance your phones usability on the move. Items that I mentioned will.
The point you made was that you couldn't think of any releases where a previously not known feature was then revealed. Three quick examples were provided to show that there were more than none that you supposedly could think of. Moving the goal posts and deflecting onto it not being enough to wow someone or whatnot doesn't change that your implication of there being no such features in existence was completely incorrect.
I lurk on this forum as I generally don't comment much. But as I have a bit of time tonight I will in here. I've been an Apple fan since the original iPhone. I owned them all up to the 5 then I stopped changing every year and got the new model (so 5 - 6 Plus - 7 Plus and skipped the 'S'). I currently have a 256gb 7 Plus, S0 Space Black Apple Watch, iPad 3, iPad Mini 2, iPad Mini 4, 2013 13" MacBook Pro and 2016 13" rMBP (none of the touchbar cr@p!). So quite well tied in to the Apple Ecosystem.
The problem for me is as follows:
This is a 10yr anniversary of the iPhone and iOS. So I was expecting a complete overhaul of the OS (visually and under the hood) as well as the hardware and physical aesthtics. However the OS, for me, isn't that groundbreaking for the following reasons:
1 - They intentionally removed a multi-tasking 3D touch feature, yes granted it may be, as rumoured, to accommodate something on the new phone hardware but that is yet to be seen.
http://www.iclarified.com/61293/app...ved-3d-touch-multitasking-feature-from-ios-11
That to me is going backwards not forwards. BUT I will reserve full judgement on that until I see the new hardware and reasoning behind it.
2 - New App Store - Was there really any need for such a focus on this? I'm currently running iOS 11 B2 and yes the visuals are better. But it's still the same store hosting the same apps. Nothing groundbreaking.
3 - Indoor maps - seriously? Why not improve the outdoor mapping first? For example I'm British but currently living and working in the middle east. I can't use Apple Maps for anything other than looking at it and calling up an Uber. There are no driving, transit, walking directions available. Something I find a headache as I wanted to use Apple maps in conjunction with my Apple Watch for locating places in new cities i had yet to visit. Any other mapping service works fine (Google, Waze, Sygic, Co-Pilot, TomTom as I have them all), just not Apple! Whilst I can get around I liked the haptic feedback provided by Apple Maps on the watch when using it on foot.
4 - iMessage Apps - Again seriously? Why introduce the ability to pay a contact in iMessage? What if they don't have an iPhone?
5 - Lock screen - The way notifications are handled, certainly on B2, are infuriating. For example you can't swipe left to dismiss a notification. You now have to 3D Touch it and then click the x in the top right corner. This then more often than not (and i hope this is a B2 Bug) clears all other notifications meaning you have to open up the phone to check them all.
6 - Minor annoyance here - It's impossible to take a screenshot of the notification centre. The minute you try it clears the notification centre and takes a screenshot of the homescreen/screen you were on. This has been persistent in the first 2 beta's despite it being reported by myself and numerous others.
To provide balance - some features i do like:
1 - Auto DND whilst driving, Flawed at the moment as if for example you set a route in Google Maps, Waze etc, then start driving it won't activate. If the phone is locked however it will work. It is supposed to work on connection to Car Bluetooth but i have yet to find a car it works on. I have only tested on 7 different cars though. Some people report it works well. When it works it works great. I hope they allow app developers the ability to provide the same response you get in iMessage (so for the likes of WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger etc).
2 - Siri - New voice didn't impress me as i didnt think anything wrong with the old one. But the abilty to translate etc is pretty neat and the learning etc.
3 - Ability to add 12+ apps to the dock on iPad. Shame they don't allow 5 or 6 on the Plus sized phones.
4 - Camera App & Photos - Opening a pic and then swiping up to see various effects in photos is pretty neat. Especially the long exposure effect you can get from a live photo. Not overly convinced on HEIF & HEVC yet but in principle they sound nice.
5 - Sharing wifi passwords across devices - now that was one feature i really liked.
I could continue the list for both pro's and con's but the main thing for me, as mentioned, is that it's not the complete overhaul I expected for a 10yr anniversary OS. It feels to me like a service pack and tweak to iOS 10. It seems to me that Apple may be moving to a 3yr major change cycle for OS revisions now rather than the current 18-24mths. Probably to bring in line with the 3yr hardware major change cycle.
The other thing is (and I haven't read the whole thread) but Tim Cook, for me, is the wrong man for the head of Apple. I don't know however who would be best to step in right now. But it needs someone with balls of adamantium to push the R&D teams to actually provide some ground breaking features and hardware. I'll be interested to see if Apple bring in Facial Recognition Unlock how they stop it being fooled by a photo like on the SG S8/+.
Tim Cook had big boots to fill in replacing Steve Jobs. But he is obviously doing something wrong when in the space of 12mths he has gone from being ranked 8 to 53 in the list of Employee Ranking of CEO's! Yes its 96% - 93%. But still it's a big drop when the previous years he had been moving up the list.
http://fortune.com/2017/06/21/apple-tim-cook-employee-ranking/
The problem for me is as follows:
This is a 10yr anniversary of the iPhone and iOS. So I was expecting a complete overhaul of the OS (visually and under the hood) as well as the hardware and physical aesthtics. However the OS, for me, isn't that groundbreaking for the following reasons:
1 - They intentionally removed a multi-tasking 3D touch feature, yes granted it may be, as rumoured, to accommodate something on the new phone hardware but that is yet to be seen.
http://www.iclarified.com/61293/app...ved-3d-touch-multitasking-feature-from-ios-11
That to me is going backwards not forwards. BUT I will reserve full judgement on that until I see the new hardware and reasoning behind it.
2 - New App Store - Was there really any need for such a focus on this? I'm currently running iOS 11 B2 and yes the visuals are better. But it's still the same store hosting the same apps. Nothing groundbreaking.
3 - Indoor maps - seriously? Why not improve the outdoor mapping first? For example I'm British but currently living and working in the middle east. I can't use Apple Maps for anything other than looking at it and calling up an Uber. There are no driving, transit, walking directions available. Something I find a headache as I wanted to use Apple maps in conjunction with my Apple Watch for locating places in new cities i had yet to visit. Any other mapping service works fine (Google, Waze, Sygic, Co-Pilot, TomTom as I have them all), just not Apple! Whilst I can get around I liked the haptic feedback provided by Apple Maps on the watch when using it on foot.
4 - iMessage Apps - Again seriously? Why introduce the ability to pay a contact in iMessage? What if they don't have an iPhone?
5 - Lock screen - The way notifications are handled, certainly on B2, are infuriating. For example you can't swipe left to dismiss a notification. You now have to 3D Touch it and then click the x in the top right corner. This then more often than not (and i hope this is a B2 Bug) clears all other notifications meaning you have to open up the phone to check them all.
6 - Minor annoyance here - It's impossible to take a screenshot of the notification centre. The minute you try it clears the notification centre and takes a screenshot of the homescreen/screen you were on. This has been persistent in the first 2 beta's despite it being reported by myself and numerous others.
To provide balance - some features i do like:
1 - Auto DND whilst driving, Flawed at the moment as if for example you set a route in Google Maps, Waze etc, then start driving it won't activate. If the phone is locked however it will work. It is supposed to work on connection to Car Bluetooth but i have yet to find a car it works on. I have only tested on 7 different cars though. Some people report it works well. When it works it works great. I hope they allow app developers the ability to provide the same response you get in iMessage (so for the likes of WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger etc).
2 - Siri - New voice didn't impress me as i didnt think anything wrong with the old one. But the abilty to translate etc is pretty neat and the learning etc.
3 - Ability to add 12+ apps to the dock on iPad. Shame they don't allow 5 or 6 on the Plus sized phones.
4 - Camera App & Photos - Opening a pic and then swiping up to see various effects in photos is pretty neat. Especially the long exposure effect you can get from a live photo. Not overly convinced on HEIF & HEVC yet but in principle they sound nice.
5 - Sharing wifi passwords across devices - now that was one feature i really liked.
I could continue the list for both pro's and con's but the main thing for me, as mentioned, is that it's not the complete overhaul I expected for a 10yr anniversary OS. It feels to me like a service pack and tweak to iOS 10. It seems to me that Apple may be moving to a 3yr major change cycle for OS revisions now rather than the current 18-24mths. Probably to bring in line with the 3yr hardware major change cycle.
The other thing is (and I haven't read the whole thread) but Tim Cook, for me, is the wrong man for the head of Apple. I don't know however who would be best to step in right now. But it needs someone with balls of adamantium to push the R&D teams to actually provide some ground breaking features and hardware. I'll be interested to see if Apple bring in Facial Recognition Unlock how they stop it being fooled by a photo like on the SG S8/+.
Tim Cook had big boots to fill in replacing Steve Jobs. But he is obviously doing something wrong when in the space of 12mths he has gone from being ranked 8 to 53 in the list of Employee Ranking of CEO's! Yes its 96% - 93%. But still it's a big drop when the previous years he had been moving up the list.
http://fortune.com/2017/06/21/apple-tim-cook-employee-ranking/
How is that relevant at all to everything else? Employee satisfaction can actually have little to do with customer satisfaction. I mean, personally I think they should probably switch to a non bean-counter guy sometime soon, but I don't think the employee satisfaction ratings have anything to do with that.
Put simply. If he is dropping in employee satisfaction it affects employee output. Therefore the said employees are not going to perform as well which affects the business.
I don’t see how that is hard to understand.
I don’t see how that is hard to understand.
It's not hard to understand, Apple presumably as an at-will employer, will Fire underperforming employees, or they will quit. Either way it may take a few years to adjust but eventually things will smooth out.
Why should I? I’m a registered Dev and have been running betas since iOS 8.
I know the difference between a beta issue and a lack of development.
As an example. There are no directions available in Apple Maps here where I live. That’s not a Beta issue. That’s Apple being idle when all other navigation apps (that I listed) can.
Removing the 3D touch multi tasking is intentional
Not being able to screenshot the notification centre maybe a beta issue but it’s a pretty daft one considering all betas in iOS 10 didn’t have this issue.
You might want to read through my post again and tell me what you consider to just be a beta issue. Especially as I’ve provided pros and cons.
I have a feeling those who have not seen or tried the iOS 11 betas, may feel a bit of a letdown when they put it on their phones today. The update does shine and add a lot of enhancements to the iPad, but the iPhone, a lot of the stuff is meh..... Be interesting to see the reactions on the net today
If you see the potential for AR, for work or play, ARKit alone is worth the upgrade.
If you have a file-centric view of the world and your work, Files alone is worth the upgrade.
If you use HomeKit the improvements there are alone are worth the upgrade.
If you're a Settings fiddler the improved Control Center alone is worth the upgrade.
If you have a 7+ and are into photography with it, the massive improvements in Portrait mode alone are worth the upgrade.
If you can tick one of these boxes, it's worth upgrading. If you have two, or more, clearly it's more than worthwhile.
Completely agree. iOS is underwhelming for iPhone (90% of the users) and doesn't introduce much (if anything). Really disappointed, I hope with iOS 12 we'll see something more because frankly it's been a few years since Apple introduced significant changes to the user experience on the iPhone, and it now looks quite stale.
I know this is old, but you're wrong here. Your analogy is off. We're well beyond 'talking to the boss or front desk.' By now, it's crystal clear what Apple's approach to mobile software is. They've been doing it for 10 years. So it's more like staying at a job you hate for 10 years without seeing change, and refusing to find a better fit for yourself....or staying at the same hotel you dislike over and over again, year after year, expecting a different result.
Blackberry lost it because they didn't change with the time. Their sales dwindled because they didn't see the challenge that iPhone posed. Same happened to Nokia. Every company made money and charged a lot for their products when they could. Apple is no different.
We can safely say that that the vast majority of the users don’t tick any of these boxes. AR is a gimmick at the moment, and will stay like that for years. iPhone users have worked without a file centric View for years and most are happy like that. HomeKit is a niche product and frankly has changed very little with iOS 11. The new control centre is not necessarily better than the old and after all it’s a minor change that shouldn’t even make it to the new features brochure. Portrait mode is a feature that only a minority of users can use, and not all those who can use it do use it.
No, we can't safely say that. We can have an opinion, but we can't safely state the opinions of a "vast majority" based on our personal bias. At least not if "we" want to be taken seriously.
I doubt anyone saying that the likes of AR or HomeKit are important to most people can be taken seriously.
I extensively use HomeKit as do many, many others. AR meanwhile has generated a lot of buzz here and elsewhere during the beta cycle and sent Google scrambling to rebrand their efforts.
As for being taken seriously. I usually don't take the opinion of someone who signed up to spam their garbage, shovelware tunnel game seriously, but there we are.
Oh we’re getting personal now aren’t we?
That game was just something I did for fun a long time ago and it hasn’t even been on the store for quite a while, so I don’t see how this is relevant
I use HomeKit too, but that’s beyond the point, you well know that most people don’t and if you don’t see that it’s clear you’re in denial.
AR might be a thing in the future, but this future is not here yet, and anything else that people actually use wasn’t improved.
Oh we’re getting personal now aren’t we?
That game was just something I did for fun a long time ago and it hasn’t even been on the store for quite a while, so I don’t see how this is relevant
I use HomeKit too, but that’s beyond the point, you well know that most people don’t and if you don’t see that it’s clear you’re in denial.
AR might be a thing in the future, but this future is not here yet, and anything else that people actually use wasn’t improved.
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BlackBerry lost it because of hubris. They thought they were the best and didn't need to change. They realized too late that they needed to do something better. By that time they had started to lose market share. They held firm to the line that market share did not matter because the profits were there. By the time the dust settled, their market share was too small for developers to care about them. And thus started the death spiral.
Is Apple there? Not yet. But Android owns a whopping 88% of the phone OS market, with iOS at around 10%. That's still a significant share, but not where they can rest on their laurels.