iOS 11 a foreshadow of an underwhelming 10 year iPhone release?

[akash.nu]

BlackBerry lost it because of hubris. They thought they were the best and didn't need to change. They realized too late that they needed to do something better. By that time they had started to lose market share. They held firm to the line that market share did not matter because the profits were there. By the time the dust settled, their market share was too small for developers to care about them. And thus started the death spiral.

Is Apple there? Not yet. But Android owns a whopping 88% of the phone OS market, with iOS at around 10%. That's still a significant share, but not where they can rest on their laurels.

Android market share doesn't really matter because most of that market share is made up of really low quality devices that are bought by people who will never pay for an app. Hence it doesn't really matter to the developers. It's a fact that developers make more money on iOS vs Android.

A only possible way of making money on Android is using adverts within free apps. And the only way even that model works is if the app has millions of users which is again mostly only attainable by huge corporations with millions to spend for advertising. Therefore smaller developers genuinely don't care about about how much market share Android boasts.

Ps. Blackberry never had as much developer followers compared to what we are used to these days. There were only handful of apps available on blackberry even when they were at their prime.

 

[chriscrowlee]

I know this is old, but you're wrong here. Your analogy is off. We're well beyond 'talking to the boss or front desk.' By now, it's crystal clear what Apple's approach to mobile software is. They've been doing it for 10 years. So it's more like staying at a job you hate for 10 years without seeing change, and refusing to find a better fit for yourself....or staying at the same hotel you dislike over and over again, year after year, expecting a different result.

You're missing the point... I'm not beating the "Android is better" "Android is more customizable" etc drum. I'm simply saying Apple needs to get with it and deliver on what they promise. Simple solution, don't promise what you don't know you can deliver.

 

[akash.nu]

You're missing the point... I'm not beating the "Android is better" "Android is more customizable" etc drum. I'm simply saying Apple needs to get with it and deliver on what they promise. Simple solution, don't promise what you don't know you can deliver.

What has they "promised", you think, that they hadn't delivered?

 

[chriscrowlee]

What has they "promised", you think, that they hadn't delivered?

Apple Watch - Was next to impossible to get for the longest time originally
Beats X - 4 months past their launch date until availability
AirPods - 3 months past their launch date until availability (and a year later not readily available)
iOS 10 - Single Sign On for "Most" cable providers (currently 2 years later they're at 5%)
iOS 11 - P2P Apple Pay Payments (not available at launch as promised)
iOS 11 - iMessage Cloud Sync (notice they've said NOTHING about this?)

Need I go on?

 

[aevan]

Some people are always underwhelmed/disappointed with everything Apple announces. The way I see it, there are five major reasons for this:

1. Expecting the "wow" factor, not real innovations, and setting a really high bar on that "wow". If they made a holographic screen on an iPad or if iPhone turned into a drone and flew around - that would be "enough wow". On the other hand, making a device 70% faster while increasing battery life - an amazing feat - people just yawn. Not wow enough.

2. Not really understanding the advancements. This is, actually, the most common reason why people are underwhelmed. For example, Apple switched the file system in a 0.1 update flawlessly without anyone loosing any data. This is incredible. Only Apple could do this - and yet, how many people were actually impressed by this? On the other hand - make phone bezels smaller? INNOVATION!

3. Specific, personal expectations. People often confuse their very specific desires with general advancement. For example, there was a rumor that iOS 11 will bring a special Cintiq-like mode to iPad Pro this year, where you could hook it up to your Mac and use the Pencil in some way, on a second screen (note: this rumor is not unwarranted, as Craig himself mentioned Apple exploring this ability in their Future of Mac meeting with journalists). Anyway, this feature didn't arrive, and I really, really wanted it. Am I disappointed a bit? Sure (iOS 11 being great in every other way helps, though). Do I consider iOS 11 underwhelming because of this? Of course not. It is just one feature catering to a very specific crowd. Maybe next year?

4. Unwillingness to buy the new thing and attempting to justify that decision, favoring competing products, etc.

5. Coolness factor: Apple makes some of the most popular and mainstream devices on the planet. Some people consider it cool to be underwhelmed, especially by popular things. The "Not impressed" attitude. Or the "REAL pros use X instead of Y, you know nothing John Snow" attitude.


Oh, and btw, if you're not impressed with iOS 11, new iPad Pros or iPhone 8/X, you're most likely unrealistic, biased or not informed enough. You can prefer something else, you don't even have to like these products - but they are certainly impressive in their own ways. Sorry to be so blunt and, of course, this is just my opinion.

 

[KRG]

Apple Watch - Was next to impossible to get for the longest time originally
Beats X - 4 months past their launch date until availability
AirPods - 3 months past their launch date until availability (and a year later not readily available)
iOS 10 - Single Sign On for "Most" cable providers (currently 2 years later they're at 5%)
iOS 11 - P2P Apple Pay Payments (not available at launch as promised)
iOS 11 - iMessage Cloud Sync (notice they've said NOTHING about this?)

Need I go on?

I dont see most of these as that significant missteps. Seems like you're reaching; but everyone has different expectations I guess.

I'm excited we're finally getting single sign on support though....I've waited very patiently for that. Apple TV is the one platform I think Apple has been failing in, and this should help significantly.

 

[ronincse]

Apple Watch - Was next to impossible to get for the longest time originally
Beats X - 4 months past their launch date until availability
AirPods - 3 months past their launch date until availability (and a year later not readily available)
iOS 10 - Single Sign On for "Most" cable providers (currently 2 years later they're at 5%)
iOS 11 - P2P Apple Pay Payments (not available at launch as promised)
iOS 11 - iMessage Cloud Sync (notice they've said NOTHING about this?)

Need I go on?

Were the Beats X really that hard to get? I bought mine like a week after release and had them a couples days later. This was from Verizon though

 

[MEJHarrison]

AR might be a thing in the future, but this future is not here yet, and anything else that people actually use wasn’t improved.

From my perspective, the future arrived today. This is the first step towards many interesting apps to come. I'm super excited to see what people do with ARKit and Core ML!

 

[akash.nu]

Apple Watch - Was next to impossible to get for the longest time originally
Beats X - 4 months past their launch date until availability
AirPods - 3 months past their launch date until availability (and a year later not readily available)
iOS 10 - Single Sign On for "Most" cable providers (currently 2 years later they're at 5%)
iOS 11 - P2P Apple Pay Payments (not available at launch as promised)
iOS 11 - iMessage Cloud Sync (notice they've said NOTHING about this?)

Need I go on?

Everything you mentioned were delivered according to the promise. Something not being available for a period of time due to high demand doesn't mean they didn't "deliver". The demand was higher than they expected. It's not magic you know.

 

[CTHarrryH]

I've only had it on my 6s for a couple of hours but there seems to be tons of changes and updates and I haven't loaded and AR apps etc.

 

[Dannehkins]

Okay so regarding iOS 11, I like it. I much prefer the new control centre, when I wanted to get to music controls i use to always catch the display brightness or something.

I’ve just checked out a few AR apps. Very impressed! I can’t wait to see what other developers come up with.

The visual changes are okay, not really fussed about them either way.

The App Store I’m liking. That place was getting so crowded, I found it so difficult to find new, interesting apps. I was really unsure if I would like it, but I like the new change of focus.

Finally, can I just say that everyone hated iOS 10 and said the exact same thing. It is doomed, apple is stagnant etc etc etc. Sometimes it is hard to separate out the knee jerk reaction from those who genuinely can’t stand the new update. Come back in 2 weeks time or so and let’s see what people think.

Ultimately though, people will respond with their wallet and if it doesn’t fit for people, I am sure we will soon find out.

 

[Ryanhdd]

The problem is, that you aren't asking your boss for a change. You are complaining to strangers on the internet! since when does Apple listen to people complaining on a forum? You are not getting to apple with this. And I hardly believe, that so many people really care about your problem of not being able to fit more icons.

Also: if your are looking for a big software feature. That wasn't shown at wwdc, but was a headline feature of a new iPhone, I suggest you hold down your home button for a second.

Shoot I've emailed and tweeted apple countless times on many things that I would like to see. All to crickets. I mean I want to be able to lable a f ing picture so I can search for it later. Can't do that on an iPhone.

You would be surprised if you knew who visited forums. But anyways I digress

 

[scottrods]

I’m still running an iPhone 6. Just updated to iOS 11 a little while ago... first time I ever updated to new iOS and my phone is faster than it was... almost always, updates slow down older phones... still on the fence about the new released iPhones, but think the 8 is likely... I just don’t see an lord and the missing button being all that much of an improvement, making the X worth the extra money

 

[chriscrowlee]

Everything you mentioned were delivered according to the promise. Something not being available for a period of time due to high demand doesn't mean they didn't "deliver". The demand was higher than they expected. It's not magic you know.

You clearly are clueless. iMessage cloud sync didn’t come with iOS 11. Nor did p2p payments. And no. Delivering late is not delivering per promises. But hey defend Apple. Defenders like you are why they have lost so much of their luster.
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Were the Beats X really that hard to get? I bought mine like a week after release and had them a couples days later. This was from Verizon though

Not hard to get at all. Just 3 months behind the announced release date. Boy people on here have such short memories.

 

[User 6502]

Adoption is slower than iOS 10, clearly people are not impressed. What a surprise…

 

[C DM]

Adoption is slower than iOS 10, clearly people are not impressed. What a surprise…

Based on at best just the initial 24 hours? Where's the actual link between the two?

 

[akash.nu]

You clearly are clueless. iMessage cloud sync didn’t come with iOS 11. Nor did p2p payments. And no. Delivering late is not delivering per promises. But hey defend Apple. Defenders like you are why they have lost so much of their luster.
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Not hard to get at all. Just 3 months behind the announced release date. Boy people on here have such short memories.

Such delays are not new in the industry and certainly not only applicable for Apple. It’s better to delay things until they’re implemented properly rather than releasing something half baked. More than me not having a clue, I think you just don’t understand anything about the industry and have unrealistic expectations.

 

[akash.nu]

Based on at best just the initial 24 hours? Where's the actual link between the two?

Here

iOS 11 Installed on 10% of Devices 24 Hours After Launch
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/20/ios-11-10-percent-adoption-24-hours/

 

[C DM]

Here

iOS 11 Installed on 10% of Devices 24 Hours After Launch


It’s not copying the link on iOS 11, but there’s a Mac rumour post on it.

None of that really makes it statistically significant nor does it show any actual link to it being as a result of people supposedly not being impressed.

 

[akash.nu]

None of that really makes it statistically significant nor does it show any actual link to it being as a result of people supposedly not being impressed.

Yeah I know, just saying that might be where the previous poster learned that the adoption is slow.

 

[Aydy]

You clearly are clueless. iMessage cloud sync didn’t come with iOS 11. Nor did p2p payments. And no. Delivering late is not delivering per promises. But hey defend Apple. Defenders like you are why they have lost so much of their luster.
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Not hard to get at all. Just 3 months behind the announced release date. Boy people on here have such short memories.

Its this that drives me mad. The blind defense no matter what. Apple have so many actual fans that just can not, will not, hear anything negative being discussed. Its like they have an inbuilt antennae that only hears ‘Genuine’ user issues/concerns as negative feedback.

This is such a problem for genuine users as these defenders (no matter what) are in such huge numbers and post all over forums and polls proclaiming their love and misguided support for anything and everything that apple dish out means that any feedback going back to apple is overwhelmingly skewed in favour of blind defence.

Even if apple wanted to progress/improve, the defenders in their majority are telling them they ‘don't have to’ everything's rosy, when in reality these people are soley hell bent in shutting down anyone who could genuinely offer apple constructive feedback, even though it may come from critical observations, its coming from users who love their iDevices and enjoy their iOS experience as much as the defenders who simply choose to unsee any issues. Things that could be rectified if they chose to be honest.

 

[C DM]

Its this that drives me mad. The blind defense no matter what. Apple have so many actual fans that just can not, will not, hear anything negative being discussed. Its like they have an inbuilt antennae that only hears ‘Genuine’ user issues/concerns as negative feedback.

This is such a problem for genuine users as these defenders (no matter what) are in such huge numbers and post all over forums and polls proclaiming their love and misguided support for anything and everything that apple dish out means that any feedback going back to apple is overwhelmingly skewed in favour of blind defence.

Even if apple wanted to progress/improve, the defenders in their majority are telling them they ‘don't have to’ everything's rosy, when in reality these people are soley hell bent in shutting down anyone who could genuinely offer apple constructive feedback, even though it may come from critical observations, its coming from users who love their iDevices and enjoy their iOS experience as much as the defenders who simply choose to unsee any issues. Things that could be rectified if they chose to be honest.

Apple is aiming for typical consumers that make up the majority of their customers, and most of those typical consumers don't really go out of their way to praise or critique, they just get and use what works for them and what they like.

 

[Aydy]

Even typical customers can see how flawed this is. Typical customers are buying premium price iDevice not some generic throwaways.

They've either used idevice before or heard the roumor of their brilliance. If they purchased tomorrow with iOS11 installed it would be like a slap in the face and the confusion with regard to the rumours they had heard would lead them to naturally wonder wtf is this?

IOS11 has some cool new features but no matter how we dice it the appearance is shocking right now, this will be the first impression for new and typical users.

 

[C DM]

Even typical customers can see how flawed this is. Typical customers are buying premium price iDevice not some generic throwaways.

They've either used idevice before or heard the roumor of their brilliance. If they purchased tomorrow with iOS11 installed it would be like a slap in the face and the confusion with regard to the rumours they had heard would lead them to naturally wonder wtf is this?

IOS11 has some cool new features but no matter how we dice it the appearance is shocking right now

Again, things like that were said about all kinds of releases, like iOS 10 or 8 or 7 and yet here we are with all kinds of customers buying and using the devices just fine. The hyperbole and extremes and all of that are basically just that.

 

[Aydy]

Because the loyal defenders are apples majority which translates to polls, media/online publication to keep apple on top. Potential buyers see apple leading and presume their money should go there.

Meanwhile whiners with genuine issues like me are kept somewhere in forum discussion wilderness. Shot down at every opportunity by blind defence/loyalty. People like myself dont usually make it to polls and such, forums and media have no interest in my feedback if it doesnt fit their agenda to keep apple safe from harm