iOS 11 keeps turning WiFi on automatically

[stulaw11]

I'm not really sure about that "will" or that "10%" as far as it applying to everyone or even most.

I agree, I think people just make numbers up to support their agenda. The truth is more likely far far less than 10%

Wifi uses 30mw when connected to a wifi source; about half what 4g/LTE uses with an extremely good signal (many times less if you have poor signal as it takes more power to keep that connection).

Wifi uses no measurable (minute amount of) power when NOT connected to a WiFi router, as it is only listening.

And WiFi is turned off by iOS 30 seconds after the phone goes to sleep unless the phone is connected to power, so your phone in your pocket with wifi left on but disconnected from a source uses essentially 0 battery.

Now if you need every drop of juice and wont be wifi for 2 days then turn it off; common sense stuff.

One would do much better dropping the screen brightness a few ticks and get more out of it than messing with wifi.

 

[Yun0]

I agree, I think people just make numbers up to support their agenda. The truth is more likely far far less than 10%

Wifi uses 30mw when connected to a wifi source; about half what 4g/LTE uses with an extremely good signal (many times less if you have poor signal as it takes more power to keep that connection).

Wifi uses no measurable (minute amount of) power when NOT connected to a WiFi router, as it is only listening.

And WiFi is turned off by iOS 30 seconds after the phone goes to sleep unless the phone is connected to power, so your phone in your pocket with wifi left on but disconnected from a source uses essentially 0 battery.

Now if you need every drop of juice and wont be wifi for 2 days then turn it off; common sense stuff.

One would do much better dropping the screen brightness a few ticks and get more out of it than messing with wifi.

finally someone gets it. this isnt first gen mobile wifi anymore when phones were still chunky bricks, their draw when unconnected idle is so low its hard to measure.

 

[tarsins]

I agree, I think people just make numbers up to support their agenda. The truth is more likely far far less than 10%

Wifi uses 30mw when connected to a wifi source; about half what 4g/LTE uses with an extremely good signal (many times less if you have poor signal as it takes more power to keep that connection).

Wifi uses no measurable (minute amount of) power when NOT connected to a WiFi router, as it is only listening.

And WiFi is turned off by iOS 30 seconds after the phone goes to sleep unless the phone is connected to power, so your phone in your pocket with wifi left on but disconnected from a source uses essentially 0 battery.

Now if you need every drop of juice and wont be wifi for 2 days then turn it off; common sense stuff.

One would do much better dropping the screen brightness a few ticks and get more out of it than messing with wifi.

So much this. People fiddle with all the settings until they essentially turn their expensive smartphones into a dumbphone. I don't turn anything off, never have. I have great battery and my phone does all the things I bought it to do.

 

[akash.nu]

So, to all who say its not a problem, please go away! It is a huge issue! In the city I am constantly connected to wifi without choice, even after disabling auto connect to that network, it will connect anyway! Or, it will stall trying to connect to public networks which again it should not do!!!

This is a huge security issue but for me the biggest thing is that my data connection stalls when it is trying to connect! Which is always! Fix this stupid thing!!!!

Why can’t you just turn WiFi off from settings if it bothers you that much?

 

[Naaaaak]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/control-center-wifi-and-bt-do-not-disable-the-radios.2069643/

This tells you everything you need to know and should be the promoted link in this thread.

in iOS 11, Airplane mode just "drops" connections. Explicitly turning off Wifi / Bluetooth / Cell Data in Settings is the way to turn them off, although it's much more annoying.

There's also no way to disable some of the other radios (NFC, GPS, etc.).

Yay for everyone getting microwaved!

 

[macfacts]

The controls for WiFi and Bluetooth in the control center have been modified in iOS 11.

Imagine an Apple car where the meaning of the brake pedal gets modified. A very plausible outcome.

 

[akash.nu]

Imagine an Apple car where the meaning of the brake pedal gets modified. A very plausible outcome.

Now that’s a new height of overrated reaction to a minor toggle switch.

 

[bchreng]

LOL yes the only possibly reason could be yet another Apple conspiracy to drain your battery intentionally. I mean some of you REALLY need to be on some meds around here Im convinced.

This has been discussed to death already. It is an intentional "feature" of iOS11. Remember, MR people are the 1% of 1% of Apple educated people. Most people do no physically turn off wifi when leaving the house or office but leave it on and it reconnects when they get to the office or get home. Even I dont as I want to be on wifi at home or work not cellular data as wifi is much faster for me.

The average soccer mom wants to be able to disconnect from wifi and it magically reconnects when they get somewhere else with wifi and a known network to not suck their data plan. That seamlessness is what Apple is. Wifi being on uses a negligible amount of battery life if not connected.

All you have to do is 1 extra click into settings and tick the wifi off button and it wont come back on. Or if you forget the saved network it will not trigger the connection back on. It ONLY connects to previously networks you connected to, and you can easily tick forget that network. There is no security flaw but a user flaw.

More like a few extra clicks. Once to get back to the home screen and another swipe and a click if you have the settings placed in a folder on a different page. It may not seem like much, but it adds up. I hope Apple addresses this sometime soon and allow users to change what the Control Center toggle does.

 

[stulaw11]

More like a few extra clicks. Once to get back to the home screen and another swipe and a click if you have the settings placed in a folder on a different page. It may not seem like much, but it adds up. I hope Apple addresses this sometime soon and allow users to change what the Control Center toggle does.

Oh. My. Gosh. The tragedy

I swear we live in the pettiest era ever right now where people believe that they are too important/too busy.

 

[bchreng]

Oh. My. Gosh. The tragedy

I swear we live in the pettiest era ever right now where people believe that they are too important/too busy.

Hyperbole much?

It was just a bit more convenient the previous way is all. It’d be nice if Apple offered people the option to revert back to it.

 

[MEJHarrison]

More like a few extra clicks. Once to get back to the home screen and another swipe and a click if you have the settings placed in a folder on a different page. It may not seem like much, but it adds up.

If I was turning radios on/off 50+ times a day, I'd buy that it "adds up". I'm actually messing with it once or twice a day. A few extra swipes throughout my day is not only not a big deal (to me), it's not even noticeable (to me). It's not like I'm walking around mad saying "if I have to swipe that effing screen one more time, I'm going to loose it". It's literally completely unnoticeable by the end of my day and causes no additional issues to my day.

If you're talking about a few swipes over the lifetime of the phone adding up, I'd agree and say so what? It's not like I can save all those moments up and get a few extra days at the end of the year. I'm absolutely certain that it's far less time than I spend zipping and unzipping my pants during the day. But I don't suggest going to work without pants because all that time "adds up".

 

[C DM]

This tells you everything you need to know and should be the promoted link in this thread.

in iOS 11, Airplane mode just "drops" connections. Explicitly turning off Wifi / Bluetooth / Cell Data in Settings is the way to turn them off, although it's much more annoying.

There's also no way to disable some of the other radios (NFC, GPS, etc.).

Yay for everyone getting microwaved!

Airplane mode still works the way it always has by turning off the radios. It's the individual WiFi and Bluetooth controls in the Control Center have been changed to drop the connections rather than turn off the radios.

Other radios have basically always stayed on, so that's nothing really new when it comes to iOS 11, or even other phones beyond iPhones. And there's certainly a way to disable those if needed too--turning off the phone. As for microwaves and all that, seems like fairly different things are involved.
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Imagine an Apple car where the meaning of the brake pedal gets modified. A very plausible outcome.

As plausible as slippery slope gets essentially.

 

[MobiusStrip]

Another idiotic design defect and regression from Apple.

The argument that Wi-Fi needs to be on for AirDrop and other things doesn't make sense, since you've still disconnected or temporarily disabled Wi-Fi from the control panel. Thus your phone's no longer on the network, and those functions aren't going to work anyway.

Apple keeps reducing battery volume and increasing battery use. Brilliant.

Meanwhile, years-old glaring defects continue to cause legitimate hardship for customers. Like this one, which dates back to the original iPhone.

And this one, which is just craven stupidity.

 

[stulaw11]

Apple keeps reducing battery volume and increasing battery use. Brilliant.

Except that your theory fails as the 8 and 8 Plus outlast the 7 and 7 Plus in battery tests by a healthy margin even with smaller capacity batteries.

 

[Ehsmith]

LOL yes the only possibly reason could be yet another Apple conspiracy to drain your battery intentionally. I mean some of you REALLY need to be on some meds around here Im convinced.

This has been discussed to death already. It is an intentional "feature" of iOS11. Remember, MR people are the 1% of 1% of Apple educated people. Most people do no physically turn off wifi when leaving the house or office but leave it on and it reconnects when they get to the office or get home. Even I dont as I want to be on wifi at home or work not cellular data as wifi is much faster for me.

The average soccer mom wants to be able to disconnect from wifi and it magically reconnects when they get somewhere else with wifi and a known network to not suck their data plan. That seamlessness is what Apple is. Wifi being on uses a negligible amount of battery life if not connected.

All you have to do is 1 extra click into settings and tick the wifi off button and it wont come back on. Or if you forget the saved network it will not trigger the connection back on. It ONLY connects to previously networks you connected to, and you can easily tick forget that network. There is no security flaw but a user flaw.

[doublepost=1508673221][/doublepost]Not true that if you turn it off in settings it won’t come back on. Every day I turn it off, every morning it comes back on. Who in the US doesn’t have unlimited cellular data? Why would we want this?

 

[pika2000]

I never turn wifi off since my first iPhone (3GS), and I never really experience significant battery drain. I used to turn off bluetooth manually, but now also leave it on since I know its standby power usage is very low. Me looking at my notification probably used up more power than these two radios on stand-by.

I actually don't mind the new "feature." I found this out when I turned on airplane mode (since I happened to be in an area with no cellular signal), but my phone automatically keeps the wifi connectivity on to the building's wifi, which is what I would've done anyway.

If you don't want to be bothered with wifi hotspot notifications, turn off "Ask to join networks" in settings. And "Forget" all unneccessary wifi networks.

 

[Terrygirl]

LOL yes the only possibly reason could be yet another Apple conspiracy to drain your battery intentionally. I mean some of you REALLY need to be on some meds around here Im convinced.

This has been discussed to death already. It is an intentional "feature" of iOS11. Remember, MR people are the 1% of 1% of Apple educated people. Most people do no physically turn off wifi when leaving the house or office but leave it on and it reconnects when they get to the office or get home. Even I dont as I want to be on wifi at home or work not cellular data as wifi is much faster for me.

The average soccer mom wants to be able to disconnect from wifi and it magically reconnects when they get somewhere else with wifi and a known network to not suck their data plan. That seamlessness is what Apple is. Wifi being on uses a negligible amount of battery life if not connected.

All you have to do is 1 extra click into settings and tick the wifi off button and it wont come back on. Or if you forget the saved network it will not trigger the connection back on. It ONLY connects to previously networks you connected to, and you can easily tick forget that network. There is no security flaw but a user flaw.

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[doublepost=1508673221][/doublepost]Not true that if you turn it off in settings it won’t come back on. Every day I turn it off, every morning it comes back on. Who in the US doesn’t have unlimited cellular data? Why would we want this?

Actually, you’re wrong. I turn it off in settings dozens of times a day due to this “new feature.” It comes right back on. To those who tell us to “forget the network” why should we have to forget a network we use now and then? How about we choose to turn OFF WiFi and it STAYS OFF until WE CHOOSE to turn it back on? If soccer mom (Not this user I’m replying to) wants to have it on automatically because it’s too much work for her to turn on her WiFi, how about an option for automatic engagement of WiFi then? I like how we’re told we’re too lazy to turn it off or forget a network by someone who apparently isn’t lazy in just turning her own on. Amazing! Apple, stop telling us what we want. We already have Facebook for that.

 

[C DM]

[doublepost=1508673221][/doublepost]Not true that if you turn it off in settings it won’t come back on. Every day I turn it off, every morning it comes back on. Who in the US doesn’t have unlimited cellular data? Why would we want this?

[doublepost=1508699837][/doublepost]
Actually, you’re wrong. I turn it off in settings dozens of times a day due to this “new feature.” It comes right back on. To those who tell us to “forget the network” why should we have to forget a network we use now and then? How about we choose to turn OFF WiFi and it STAYS OFF until WE CHOOSE to turn it back on? If soccer mom (Not this user I’m replying to) wants to have it on automatically because it’s too much work for her to turn on her WiFi, how about an option for automatic engagement of WiFi then? I like how we’re told we’re too lazy to turn it off or forget a network by someone who apparently isn’t lazy in just turning her own on. Amazing! Apple, stop telling us what we want. We already have Facebook for that.

You are saying if you turn off WiFi in actual settings it gets turned on by itself for you? Seems like somethings off with your device if that's happening.

 

[cynics]

Another idiotic design defect and regression from Apple.

The argument that Wi-Fi needs to be on for AirDrop and other things doesn't make sense, since you've still disconnected or temporarily disabled Wi-Fi from the control panel. Thus your phone's no longer on the network, and those functions aren't going to work anyway.

Apple keeps reducing battery volume and increasing battery use. Brilliant.

Meanwhile, years-old glaring defects continue to cause legitimate hardship for customers. Like this one, which dates back to the original iPhone.

And this one, which is just craven stupidity.

That is incorrect. You don't need to be on a wifi network for AirDrop or potentially "other things" to work.


Excuse the blocks, I removed info for privacy.

Wifi and bluetooth needs to be on (in settings) though to initiate, establish and utilize the ad-hoc type connection it uses to transfer data to other devices. The data is sent directly between devices, not over cellular or wifi network.

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As far as this "feature" goes I can understand why people don't like it. They want to easily shut off wifi permanently until they themselves turn it back on. IMO that is pointless without a VERY specific reason. The hardware itself will use power regardless regardless of software switches. The wireless connectivity it too integrated into the rest of the hardware to completely power it down anyway. Battery savings is minimal at best.

However you can shut off wifi still by going to settings and shutting it off from there.

Apples implementation of wifi toggle in control center is excellent IMO.

1. You can easily disconnect from the current wireless network without having to remember to turn it back on later.
2. You can disconnect from wifi and still have airdrop functionality (wifi is still on).
3. You can disconnect from wifi and still have WiFi assisted GPS location services.
4. Easy way to disconnect and reconnect very quickly.

If you want a more permanent solution just goto settings and turn off wifi. Its the way you've always been doing it right? And the bright side is if you can use control center to turn it back on.

Sheesh, everyone has a problem with every single feature Apple puts in.

 

[jonthegeologist]

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Actually, you’re wrong. I turn it off in settings dozens of times a day due to this “new feature.” It comes right back on.

^ exactly this. Today, my home network is not working - the wireless SSID is broadcasting, the phone connects but due to a cable broadband error, there is no internet. In this use case, I toggle wifi off *in settings* to force my phone to use 3G/4G and within minutes, it's back trying to use the home wifi that will not work (much as I would like it to).

This is not an unusual use case. The fact that off doesn't mean off is a bug and it's truly infuriating.

 

[viperGTS]

And WiFi is turned off by iOS 30 seconds after the phone goes to sleep unless the phone is connected to power, so your phone in your pocket with wifi left on but disconnected from a source uses essentially 0 battery.

Is this mentioned anywhere in any iOS documentation by Apple? I have never heard of this.

Regardless, I'm still on the side that prefers CC works the way it used to. I like having Wi-Fi off for many reasons, including less power consumption, no radios frying my brain, and no chance for any potential Wi-Fi security hole to be exploited.

 

[C DM]

^ exactly this. Today, my home network is not working - the wireless SSID is broadcasting, the phone connects but due to a cable broadband error, there is no internet. In this use case, I toggle wifi off *in settings* to force my phone to use 3G/4G and within minutes, it's back trying to use the home wifi that will not work (much as I would like it to).

This is not an unusual use case. The fact that off doesn't mean off is a bug and it's truly infuriating.

Sounds like somethings off in your case as it shouldn't be trying to reconnect to the same network within minutes even if you use the control center toggle, and shouldn't even turn WiFi back on by itself at all if you disable it in settings.

 

[Feenician]

Is this mentioned anywhere in any iOS documentation by Apple? I have never heard of this.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

and page 83/84 of the iOS 11 manual

 

[sclawis300]

LOL yes the only possibly reason could be yet another Apple conspiracy to drain your battery intentionally. I mean some of you REALLY need to be on some meds around here Im convinced.

This has been discussed to death already. It is an intentional "feature" of iOS11. Remember, MR people are the 1% of 1% of Apple educated people. Most people do no physically turn off wifi when leaving the house or office but leave it on and it reconnects when they get to the office or get home. Even I dont as I want to be on wifi at home or work not cellular data as wifi is much faster for me.

The average soccer mom wants to be able to disconnect from wifi and it magically reconnects when they get somewhere else with wifi and a known network to not suck their data plan. That seamlessness is what Apple is. Wifi being on uses a negligible amount of battery life if not connected.

All you have to do is 1 extra click into settings and tick the wifi off button and it wont come back on. Or if you forget the saved network it will not trigger the connection back on. It ONLY connects to previously networks you connected to, and you can easily tick forget that network. There is no security flaw but a user flaw.

It’s technically two extra.

 

[TheBacklash]

^ exactly this. Today, my home network is not working - the wireless SSID is broadcasting, the phone connects but due to a cable broadband error, there is no internet. In this use case, I toggle wifi off *in settings* to force my phone to use 3G/4G and within minutes, it's back trying to use the home wifi that will not work (much as I would like it to).

This is not an unusual use case. The fact that off doesn't mean off is a bug and it's truly infuriating.

2nd this.

For those that say your iPhone will only connect to KNOWN wifi networks is wrong, no matter how many times you "forget this network" it will always connect to carrier wifi networks. And yes, a Spoofed wifi carrier network can be done.
https://arstechnica.com/information...-xfinity-and-att-also-frees-you-to-be-hacked/
So I have always turned on "ask to join networks" and now with iOS 11's BS way it handles turning wifi on/off I actually have to goto into settings EVERY morning when I leave the house or the damn popup comes up almost every time I unlock my phone, even if it's just to check a simple webpage for 10 seconds and then lock the phone again for another 5 minutes... Which leads me to forget i turned it off when I get home and try and figure out why my internet is so damn slow in my basement...

The wifi toggle on the control center should be changed, tap to turn wifi off like it is now, long press and it disables wifi like it used to do. I'd be fine with that.