Then your iPhone X is broken, cause apple CHANGED it in iOS 11.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/09/20/ios-11-control-center-wi-fi-bluetooth-toggles-explanation/
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086
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iOS 11 keeps turning WiFi on automatically
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http://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/09/20/ios-11-control-center-wi-fi-bluetooth-toggles-explanation/
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086
No hidden or otherwise added networks that I didn't personally add and can personally remove or modify (as far as auto joining or anything like that). As mentioned, the issue seems to be more with something like that than with an additional couple of steps needed to fully turn off WiFi vs disconnecting from a WiFi network.
The disconnect option in CC is one that I’m extremely fond of. The only time I disconnect from a WiFi network is when it’s not functioning well and LTE is faster. The old on/off option worked but it led to forgetting the WiFi is off and using massive amounts of data before realizing it, sometimes days later.
The issue I’m sure some of you are having when it turns back on before you’ve left the location you were in when you disabled it is that you also have location services disabled and are in congested areas where tower switches happen even while stationary therefor triangulation is not perfect and the device believes you have moved.
Complaining about this feature is like leaving the top down in your convertible and complaining the heater doesn’t keep you warm in the winter. I have an extremely difficult time believing that anyone is so tied up in one app that they can’t leave for 5 seconds to physically shut off WiFi in settings or simply say “hey Siri, turn off the WiFi.”
As far as the spoofing issue goes, it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. It is simply a grasp to find a reason to validate an excuse to call this new feature a potential security flaw. As it was prior to this change, I’m guessing you swiped up and disabled WiFi every time your phone connected to a provider’s network so now you still do it just the same you just might have to do it twice on the extremely rare chance you encounter a spoofed network. Actually thinking about it, this new feature will allow you to identify the “fake” network so it’s actually security feature rather than flaw! It would be asenine to assume you’re going to disable WiFi the first time xfinity pops up but then enter your login details the second time
The spoofing is NOT a grasp to validate...... it's PROOF that you can't blindly accept those "free" wifi signals... Apple's "change" makes it easier to get duped into false security. It's more steps for people with a grasp on security, and a great wide open security issue for the rest that accept everything "free" is perfectly fine.
All i'm asking is Apple change the wifi button on CC to allow force touch and have 2 options. It would solve almost everything.
And no, I have "Ask to join networks" turned on, as do many that are complaining... THATS why we get the stupid popup.
and please, EXPLAIN this.
LMAO. You only enter your password once with xfinity (per day) so every XFINITY SSID you come across IS AUTOMATICALLY JOINED after that.. how will you know if it's "legit"? If your phone SEES the SSID for Xfinity, LEGIT OR NOT, it will automatically connect. And I will bet you that 99% of the people will BLAME XFINITY for asking for credentials a 2nd time.... they will not even think about if it's legit or not. Blindly accept the 2nd login. OR did you even consider that possibility they have connected to a xfinity wifi IN THE PAST? come across a fake SSID 3 weeks later... and ask for the credentials then? "See, it's a legit xfinitywifi, it's asking for my login/password"
And as far as i know, xfinity is the only one asking for a login... the rest of the "free" networks just allow people on, some have MAC address timeouts or limit the time/data while connected.
attwifi for example has zero restrictions, allows (forces) any AT&T user to connect.. and has zero security/password/etc. EASILY spoofed, and if any non AT&T user connects once to one of them, say at a mcdonalds, they will always and forver be able to connect to any wifi network with the SSID "attwifi" Legit or not.
Same with any other wifi SSID thats "free" connect once, iOS saves it as "known", so ANY SSID with that name will be auto joined after that. you could be a block away from that "legit" network, and think you are still connected to it when you get on the fake one.
again, 99% of people will not even think twice about it. "Oh hey, I can still connect to XYZfreeWIFI from over here, YAY!"
*some* people will see it and question it, vast majority will not.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/tips-to-stay-safe-on-public-wi-fi/
Read this, and then tell me how many people will do *ANY* of this.... it's just basic security, yet almost everyone ignores it.
The whole reason I brought up the spoofing, was just saying that Apple's change, makes it easier for others to get hacked. People with a mind for security, the change just makes more steps to stay secure. And annoying to have to deal with the extra steps that are not needed, nor the damn popup in our face until we do take those extra steps.
All i'm asking is Apple change the wifi button on CC to allow force touch and have 2 options. It would solve almost everything.
And no, I have "Ask to join networks" turned on, as do many that are complaining... THATS why we get the stupid popup.
and please, EXPLAIN this.
LMAO. You only enter your password once with xfinity (per day) so every XFINITY SSID you come across IS AUTOMATICALLY JOINED after that.. how will you know if it's "legit"? If your phone SEES the SSID for Xfinity, LEGIT OR NOT, it will automatically connect. And I will bet you that 99% of the people will BLAME XFINITY for asking for credentials a 2nd time.... they will not even think about if it's legit or not. Blindly accept the 2nd login. OR did you even consider that possibility they have connected to a xfinity wifi IN THE PAST? come across a fake SSID 3 weeks later... and ask for the credentials then? "See, it's a legit xfinitywifi, it's asking for my login/password"
And as far as i know, xfinity is the only one asking for a login... the rest of the "free" networks just allow people on, some have MAC address timeouts or limit the time/data while connected.
attwifi for example has zero restrictions, allows (forces) any AT&T user to connect.. and has zero security/password/etc. EASILY spoofed, and if any non AT&T user connects once to one of them, say at a mcdonalds, they will always and forver be able to connect to any wifi network with the SSID "attwifi" Legit or not.
Same with any other wifi SSID thats "free" connect once, iOS saves it as "known", so ANY SSID with that name will be auto joined after that. you could be a block away from that "legit" network, and think you are still connected to it when you get on the fake one.
again, 99% of people will not even think twice about it. "Oh hey, I can still connect to XYZfreeWIFI from over here, YAY!"
*some* people will see it and question it, vast majority will not.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/tips-to-stay-safe-on-public-wi-fi/
Read this, and then tell me how many people will do *ANY* of this.... it's just basic security, yet almost everyone ignores it.
The whole reason I brought up the spoofing, was just saying that Apple's change, makes it easier for others to get hacked. People with a mind for security, the change just makes more steps to stay secure. And annoying to have to deal with the extra steps that are not needed, nor the damn popup in our face until we do take those extra steps.
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I cannot disagree with this, it would be a perfectly plausible solution.
You may be correct about that, I’m sure most wouldn’t think about being asked a second time for credentials as a security issue rather than a failure on the part of the provider. That being said, how does the WiFi turning back on cause a security issue for those who don’t understand the risk and are falling for it either way?
The point is, until an option is added to turn WiFi completely off from the CC, its not that difficult to have Siri turn it off or turn it off yourself. The fact that this thread exists is proof that people are noticing that WiFi isn’t shut off indefinitely by the CC button and most will just resort to turning it off in settings if it is that important to them. The OP was about why the WiFi didn’t stay off, not about how irresponsible this change was on the part of Apple and babysitting their consumers so they don’t fall into some obscure security issue.
Spoofing through email is still 99% more effective than any other way of stealing people’s credentials, figure out how to stop that and you’ll have a discussion worth having.
Didnt say it was difficult, it's just annoying.
And honestly, I never use Siri for settings related stuff.. always forget Siri can do that.
Apple is good with security, but that doesn't mean everything the phone/os can do... is safe. A lot of security lies with the user, not the company providing the service/hardware or whatever. (your spoofing through email is a great example, "XYZ company sent me an email asking me to change my password cause of some security problem, OK" so many people just do it without thinking.)
I agree that the issue is more of an annoyance for those that understand the problems with auto joining a network, cause you are correct that people that didn't know the problem before.. still wont know the problem.
And honestly, I never use Siri for settings related stuff.. always forget Siri can do that.
People will accept something as "safe" if their phone maker/carrier/internet provider tells them it's "safe" "why else would Apple let my iPhone connect to the wifi signal if it wasn't safe?"
Apple is good with security, but that doesn't mean everything the phone/os can do... is safe. A lot of security lies with the user, not the company providing the service/hardware or whatever. (your spoofing through email is a great example, "XYZ company sent me an email asking me to change my password cause of some security problem, OK" so many people just do it without thinking.)
I agree that the issue is more of an annoyance for those that understand the problems with auto joining a network, cause you are correct that people that didn't know the problem before.. still wont know the problem.
Apple should have just used a different icon. Wifi icon with a clock or hourglass. Apple is so lazy for reusing the same icon as wifi toggle.
Why should your forgetfulness to turn wi-fi back on somehow mean that I have to live with it when I don't want it and that it should be doubly hard for me to turn it off like I can now in Control Center? The amount of use-case assumptions in this thread is astounding.
Here's my use-case. I don't think it's the minority. I barely use wi-fi. Like millions of others I have an unlimited dataplan and I live and work in areas where I receive perfect LTE 99% of the time. I've gone as much as 30 or 40 consecutive days without using wi-fi at all, the only time I need it would be in a shopping mall in a cement-lined restaurant, and even then I'd rather just live without connectivity for an hour than be bothered with connecting to it. Who even cares about cellular data consumption anymore? It's paid for and it's unlimited.
Apple's motives are very transparent here. At the precise moment in time when unlimited data is taking over they are rigging their hardware to keep archaic wi-fi alive not for the betterment of the customer experience but for their own financial whims.
It's likely that the minority and majority are reversed in those scenarios.
(Also not sure of how WiFi is archaic or how it plays into anyone's financial whims or anything of the sort, let alone anything about that being transparent.)
First off let me say that I like your posts, C DM.
Using my carrier as an example, AT&T offers unlimited talk, text, and data for as little as $60 a month for 1 line, goes down to $40 a month if it's a family of 4 or more. We're not living in a world where my daughter cost me $30 a month for 2GB and then $10 more per month for every GB she went over. Back then, last year in fact, she and I would get into it when I would get an alert that she was going over, in some months her $30 plan would cost me $90 or more because of her overages and I'd have to check her phone daily to make sure she was using wi-fi. Teenagers.
Well, a year later, that's all in the past. I pay $50 a month for the Unlimited Plus plan for her and I don't have to worry about overages or wi-fi at all. UDP's are gamechangers. Wi-fi has gone from a necessity to an encumbrance as our LTE speeds are better than our wi-fi's.
So back to iOS11, with hundreds of millions of people getting onto unlimited data plans from all the major carriers, this would be the time for Apple to reduce the importance of wi-fi on their products, not increase them. Wi-fi has gone from the thing you cared about first at, say, a vacation hotel to the very last thing.
To me, this is all about the money. If you have an unlimited data plan you are done with wi-fi except in extreme circumstances in a very rural area or in a cement-lined shopping mall. And if you're Apple, you want to play to the lowest common denominator of a customer and try to keep him to have his wi-fi turned on so that all the proprietary features like AirDrop and Apple TV mirroring and the rest 'just work' so someone's grandma doesn't make a Genius appointment to be told that nothing is broken, they just need to turn their wi-fi back on. Same for a poor college student eating generic mac 'n cheese who has to carefully moderate his cellular data consumption like in the old days. Smart people who can afford the extra $15 a month are getting punished, very un-Apple like.
With all that, I'm not really sure that unlimited is as prevalent as that, and that even with unlimited majority don't care about WiFi to the point of them essentially avoiding it (basically turning it off and not looking back).
Again, I can only speak about coverage where I work and live, but let me tell you that once you have rock-solid and dependable LTE and you don't need to think about the cost of data overages, you don't need wi-fi anymore.
Perhaps you don't take into account how inconsistent and frustrating wi-fi actually is. Wi-fi is a PITA with its passwords and its disconnects and its mysterious slowdowns. Wondering what network you're on. Getting punted if there are too many users connecting. Spending the first two minutes at the table configuring your phone at the cafe instead of just ordering a coffee. In my own home I often used to get the spinning data wheel icon on my iPhone as my wi-fi tried in vain to connect me to a website, I'd flick control center, shut the wi-fi off, and instantly get to that page.
Trust me, once you live an unlimited data LTE lifestyle, wi-fi is as archaic as a 56K baud dialup modem.
In terms of WiFi, my WiFi works plenty fast and relatable in places where I use it most, generally at home and work and a few other less frequent places. I still aslo see many people in all kinds of establishments using WiFi, be it on their computers or mobile devices. Considering how often a mobile signal can be weak or rather bad in some areas, and in various buildings, it's somewhat of a wash as far as realizability and all that goes in terms of comparing it to some WiFi frustrations that some encounter occasionally.
As far as unlimited goes, many of those who have the recent/current incarnations of it these days generally have some soft caps to worry about where they can be throttled or have some other limitations that could apply. (That's on top of not being so sure that those that are on such plans represent that huge of a consumer base at the moment.)
This pretty much answers your own question. Most places/countries still don't get reliable LTE everywhere, particularly outside major cities. On top of that, in most places unlimited data plans are still pretty rare, and where they are offered are part of the most expensive plans, well out of most people's price range. And therein lies your answer, Apple is designing a product it believes 10s of millions will buy, not just you in your area.
Apple could have done the sensible thing and offered the option of either disconnecting or turning off but of course that would be too simple.
[doublepost=1510570029][/doublepost]Apple could have done the sensible thing and offered the option of either disconnecting or turning off but of course that would be too simple.
[doublepost=1510570029][/doublepost]Apple could have done the sensible thing and offered the option of either disconnecting or turning off but of course that would be too simple.
How do you check whether turning-off wifi in control center is only disconnecting it and not actually turning it off?
I am asking because on iPhone 5S, turning wifi off in CC and then going to Settings -> Wifi shows it as off. So I am wondering if this is different for newer phones (where under Settings it still shows it as on) or I'm overlooking something.
I am asking because on iPhone 5S, turning wifi off in CC and then going to Settings -> Wifi shows it as off. So I am wondering if this is different for newer phones (where under Settings it still shows it as on) or I'm overlooking something.
Agreed that there are still plenty of people with unreliable LTE service and plenty of starving college students without unlimited data plans, but they are in the group declining in number.
And while I realize that iOS 11 covers all iPhones, perhaps there should be some features that are phone specific; I could easily argue that the people spending $1,500+ on an iPhone X rely on home and free public wi-fi far, far less than someone on an iPhone 6 with a cracked screen bought for $100 on Craigslist. Forcing your best customers to live with features they can’t relate to is not a good experience. Those of us with no use for wi-fi shouldn’t be inconvenienced for the sake of those who do.
Again, I'm not so sure it all works out the way you are thinking and doesn't have as much to do with supposed "starving" college students or "elites" buying iPhone X devices.
But even that aside, it seems that those who supposedly don't care about WiFi to the point of having no use of it, wouldn't be affected much by the control center toggles for it as they would simply disable it from settings at one point and never really look back as they won't have much of a case to enable/disable it often to really matter one way or another. Seems like for that group of people all of this would be rather moot.
Ah, but you see I don’t use Wi-Fi for browsing but I need it for Tethering, Screen Mirroring, AirDrop, and CarPlay occasionally each week and Control Center only helps me turn it on, not off.
These are situational needs too, quickly connect to transfer a file for a minute, connect to watch a video on Apple TV for 5 minutes, quickly check email for 5 minutes, drive my son to soccer for 20 minutes, etc. Those quick in/out experiences are now more cumbersome.
Just to chime in here a little..
I only use Wifi at my house, and my parents. Because in my basement... I have ZERO AT&T signal. And where is my office? and where do I spend 99% of my time when I'm at home? yep, where there is zero cell service.
WiFi gives me cellular over WiFi so my iPhone actually works. I have computers, TV, Ham equip, security system, game systems, if it's something that can even remotely interfere with cell service... my basement has it. Walk upstairs and it's all clear.
So outside of those places, I don't use WiFi.. which is another reason I have it set to ask to connect and if I remember... just turn Wifi completely off. I truly despise the new way apple has it now.
Now, as for Verizon... Where I live they have the *worst* service here... In the City you will have full service, 5 miles out... and pockets of no service abound. And where does everyone live? not in the city.. For decades over the air TV service was hit/miss with the big 3. We have a lot of trees and mountains/valleys around here so there were a lot of dead zones without a large antennae on your house, there is no one place to put a tower to get service to everyone. When they were required to go digital, a few new towers went up to finally cover everyone. (may have been required by the FCC since they required them to go digital) It's the same problem with the cell towers cause the best place to put a new tower to cover everyone... would be in residential HOA areas that would never go for it.
As far as speed goes, AT&T beats Verizon in speed here as well, but they are both fast.. So connecting to a wifi network actually slows you down on any network.
WiFi isnt as needed as it once was, and every carrier pushes their unlimited plans pretty hard now.
All the uses for WiFi that people list here... I need none of it outside the house. At least not on my iPhone. When my MBP leaves the house.. sure.
I only use Wifi at my house, and my parents. Because in my basement... I have ZERO AT&T signal. And where is my office? and where do I spend 99% of my time when I'm at home? yep, where there is zero cell service.
WiFi gives me cellular over WiFi so my iPhone actually works. I have computers, TV, Ham equip, security system, game systems, if it's something that can even remotely interfere with cell service... my basement has it. Walk upstairs and it's all clear.
So outside of those places, I don't use WiFi.. which is another reason I have it set to ask to connect and if I remember... just turn Wifi completely off. I truly despise the new way apple has it now.
Now, as for Verizon... Where I live they have the *worst* service here... In the City you will have full service, 5 miles out... and pockets of no service abound. And where does everyone live? not in the city.. For decades over the air TV service was hit/miss with the big 3. We have a lot of trees and mountains/valleys around here so there were a lot of dead zones without a large antennae on your house, there is no one place to put a tower to get service to everyone. When they were required to go digital, a few new towers went up to finally cover everyone. (may have been required by the FCC since they required them to go digital) It's the same problem with the cell towers cause the best place to put a new tower to cover everyone... would be in residential HOA areas that would never go for it.
As far as speed goes, AT&T beats Verizon in speed here as well, but they are both fast.. So connecting to a wifi network actually slows you down on any network.
WiFi isnt as needed as it once was, and every carrier pushes their unlimited plans pretty hard now.
All the uses for WiFi that people list here... I need none of it outside the house. At least not on my iPhone. When my MBP leaves the house.. sure.
Regardless of whether you like this functionality or not, there's no excuse for Apple's failure to PROPERLY INDICATE what this control does. Apple has clearly given up on just about everything. It's apparently "too hard" to create an icon that means TEMPORARILY disconnect Wi-Fi, and yet macfacts has presented a reasonable candidate above.
I vote with those complaining about this "feature," since Wi-Fi and Bluetooth waste battery power and Apple idiotically reduces battery volume year after year after year.
I vote with those complaining about this "feature," since Wi-Fi and Bluetooth waste battery power and Apple idiotically reduces battery volume year after year after year.
Well, between the icon not being crossed out, the messaging about being disconnected, and the additional messaging around this that is being introduced for it in 11.2, seems like that part is being addressed.
As for wasting power, doesn't seem like much has been shown that power is being wasted, especially for those that make use of those functions (and if one doesn't then it can simply be disabled for good in settings, as has always been the case).