iOS 11 keeps turning WiFi on automatically

[Adrianj]

Jeepers, multiple pages of discussion on this topic.

WTF ? I turn WiFi off for whatever reason. I didn’t ask ****ing IOS 11 to turn it on when it feels like it.

Quite simple really.

All these hero’s posting about why it doesn’t matter.

 

[C DM]

Jeepers, multiple pages of discussion on this topic.

WTF ? I turn WiFi off for whatever reason. I didn’t ask ****ing IOS 11 to turn it on when it feels like it.

Quite simple really.

All these hero’s posting about why it doesn’t matter.

If you want to completely turn it off then you would need to use the option in settings. If you want to (temporarily) disconnect from the WiFi network that you are currently on, then you can use the control center option.

 

[MobiusStrip]

WTF ? I turn WiFi off for whatever reason. I didn’t ask ****ing IOS 11 to turn it on when it feels like it.

Quite simple really.

All these hero’s posting about why it doesn’t matter.

They're not heroes; they're apologists. Heaven forbid anyone raise a valid complaint about their pet product. If anyone does, kill the messenger.

 

[dumastudetto]

They're not heroes; they're apologists. Heaven forbid anyone raise a valid complaint about their pet product. If anyone does, kill the messenger.

They're explaining how to use iOS 11 properly. If you want turn wifi off permanently, use settings. If you want to briefly disable wifi for whatever reason, control center is your friend. It's not complicated.

 

[MobiusStrip]

They're explaining how to use iOS 11 properly. If you want turn wifi off permanently, use settings. If you want to briefly disable wifi for whatever reason, control center is your friend. It's not complicated.

Oh right, it's the old "it's not complicated" canard. Nobody said it was "complicated." It's defective UI, period.

The point of a GUI is that nobody has to explain how to perform simple actions like turning a function on or off. It's not complicated, but Apple manages to fail at it here.

 

[C DM]

Oh right, it's the old "it's not complicated" canard. Nobody said it was "complicated." It's defective UI, period.

The point of a GUI is that nobody has to explain how to perform simple actions like turning a function on or off. It's not complicated, but Apple manages to fail at it here.

Plenty of UX out there, on phones or computers or all kinds of other electrictronics isn't necessarily self-explanatory or at least takes some trials sometimes to figure out exactly what can be done and how. Even applied to all kinds of things from Apple even from Steve Jobs days. That aspect of it isn't really something new or all that strange.

 

[PCtoMAC1]

only way now is got to settings and turn off wifi/data in there.

I think ios 11 should give option of how the toggles work.
as in like classic ios10 and before or ios11 mode.

This is incorrect. My phone connects to my home WiFi when I turn it back on in the morning and I have had it turned off in settings.

 

[PCtoMAC1]

LOL yes the only possibly reason could be yet another Apple conspiracy to drain your battery intentionally. I mean some of you REALLY need to be on some meds around here Im convinced.

This has been discussed to death already. It is an intentional "feature" of iOS11. Remember, MR people are the 1% of 1% of Apple educated people. Most people do no physically turn off wifi when leaving the house or office but leave it on and it reconnects when they get to the office or get home. Even I dont as I want to be on wifi at home or work not cellular data as wifi is much faster for me.

The average soccer mom wants to be able to disconnect from wifi and it magically reconnects when they get somewhere else with wifi and a known network to not suck their data plan. That seamlessness is what Apple is. Wifi being on uses a negligible amount of battery life if not connected.

All you have to do is 1 extra click into settings and tick the wifi off button and it wont come back on. Or if you forget the saved network it will not trigger the connection back on. It ONLY connects to previously networks you connected to, and you can easily tick forget that network. There is no security flaw but a user flaw.

Also false. See my earlier post.

 

[Skoal]

[doublepost=1508673221][/doublepost]Not true that if you turn it off in settings it won’t come back on. Every day I turn it off, every morning it comes back on. Who in the US doesn’t have unlimited cellular data? Why would we want this?

Yes it’s true and no, a lot of people in the US don’t have unlimited data plans.

 

[Skoal]

Is this mentioned anywhere in any iOS documentation by Apple? I have never heard of this.

Regardless, I'm still on the side that prefers CC works the way it used to. I like having Wi-Fi off for many reasons, including less power consumption, no radios frying my brain, and no chance for any potential Wi-Fi security hole to be exploited.

Regardless of WiFi on or off you will still have radio signals bombarding you wherever you go.

 

[Skoal]

I think we’re missing the point here.
The point is in a standard UI. A toggle on or off means precisely that. If it will mean something else it should be made clear. And it’s not. Why is it not made clear?
Well how do you say it in a nice way:
Let me put it comically to defuse some anger although Anger is understandable if your ability to control your own phone was hijacked by the company you trusted.

“hey users were apple here (or UI) so listen don’t talk, we decided what’s best for you and we’re stripping you from the ability to control your devices, do you want to switch off your Wifi:/ no you don’t need to, we know please don’t interrupt. We’ll make it look like you did control it so even if you did, click this or that, it dunt matter, we’ll switch it on for you at 5 am, why 5 am. You’re probably be sleeping and won’t know what hit you lol. thank us later. Bye suckers hahahaha”

This certainly impacts user TRUST with the design ->product and ultimately ->company.

So now the question that begs itself is. What else do we think were switching on/off that is switching itself on at 5am.
And can we really, really know that it actually is!

The toggles are not new by any means. They were on iphone 3G with jail broken phones, and funny enough they did what they were meant to do. It took apple years to catch up and got it wrong. Oops now apple doesn’t even realize they’re ruffling feathers of their own flock. Yikes!

We know we can go to settings and switch it off. But we’re not working with an obscure phone that costs $50. This is iphone or iPad and is expected work with minimum effort, and expected to do the most obvious thing.

All the excuses are worth a $1 coffee, at dunkin, and Are frankly lame. Users should have full control of elements that are in the control center. I’m surprised people are not infuriated by this.
I mean even basic devices from other companies would not go there.

This without a doubt hurts the brand and the trust users had for iPhone as a secure device is now not intact. (First step that could lead to divorce)

The silver lining is that if apple UI smarties keep on deciding badly for users we will eventually look for better choices else where.

Apple is not the only company that saw the light because of the leadership of one person and will jot be the last.

Now who will take advantage of this sudden demise of the apple products and capture the market. Making users satisfied again. We’ll just have to wait and see.

With respect to all

Many people like the new feature. You aren’t speaking for all Apple owners

 

[Howdr]

when you design and release your own OS then you make the calls. Their OS their call.



This

Because I have auto join OFF (DUH) even after 11.2.1 the dam wifi radomly turns itself back on and is blue connected to some non internet wifi and my data stops working OMG apple is not perfect and this is a major headache
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Many people like the new feature. You aren’t speaking for all Apple owners

Neither are you....... I hate it, it does not work right.

 

[rainafterthesun]

long time apple user (this is a given right?)

I'm glad its not only happening to me...maybe apple will fix it soon. whether I toggle it off in the control center or settings (this really shouldn't matter imo because it's never been like this before...for those who say the control center is a temp and the settings is where it's at if you want it continuously off).

THE WIFI TURNS BACK ON ON ITS OWN.

which sucks because I don't need wifi. I have unlimited data (yes, throttled after x GB). and if I do decide a wifi network is attractive, I'll go in and connect. I don't need the wifi to try to piggy onto networks its previously known (starbucks/google even though it was just that one Starbucks and now every Starbucks...).

 

[MobiusStrip]

Plenty of UX out there, on phones or computers or all kinds of other electrictronics isn't necessarily self-explanatory

The on/off state of a button has been and should always be. If you have to "experiment" with a button to figure out if it's on or off, its design is a failure and a massive regression.

 

[C DM]

The on/off state of a button has been and should always be. If you have to "experiment" with a button to figure out if it's on or off, its design is a failure and a massive regression.

A button doesn't necessarily only have to correspond to on/off, connect/disconnect can work just as well.

 

[MobiusStrip]

There's also connect/disconnect.

Exactly. Which is why THAT should be a separate button.

 

[C DM]

Exactly. Which is why THAT should be a separate button.

And that is the button that is in the control center.

 

[MobiusStrip]

And that is the button that is in the control center.

Nope. That's not how it's depicted.

 

[mpainesyd]

long time apple user (this is a given right?)

I'm glad its not only happening to me...maybe apple will fix it soon. whether I toggle it off in the control center or settings (this really shouldn't matter imo because it's never been like this before...for those who say the control center is a temp and the settings is where it's at if you want it continuously off).

THE WIFI TURNS BACK ON ON ITS OWN.

which sucks because I don't need wifi. I have unlimited data (yes, throttled after x GB). and if I do decide a wifi network is attractive, I'll go in and connect. I don't need the wifi to try to piggy onto networks its previously known (starbucks/google even though it was just that one Starbucks and now every Starbucks...).

There is a related “feature” of iOS11 that might be contributing to the problem (or Apple may prefer to call it an issue - if they acknowledge it at all). If you connect a device to your iPhone as a Hotspot that device will automatically turn on wifi and Bluetooth on your iPhone, even if they are turned off via Settings. Annoyingly these turn on remotely but cannot be turned off remotely. If someone has your Hotspot password there is nothing you can do about it, other than change your password

 

[MobiusStrip]

What a mess.

 

[Altis]

A button doesn't necessarily only have to correspond to on/off, connect/disconnect can work just as well.

It's terribly poor design.

They could easily just make it so you can either disconnect or turn it off from the same CC button. Perhaps a long-hold or force touch. Maybe it goes orange when it's "enabled but disconnected".

There are tons of ways to elegantly solve it so everyone gets what they want, but for some reason either Apple can't be bothered to or doesn't want to.

 

[C DM]

It's terribly poor design.

They could easily just make it so you can either disconnect or turn it off from the same CC button. Perhaps a long-hold or force touch. Maybe it goes orange when it's "enabled but disconnected".

There are tons of ways to elegantly solve it so everyone gets what they want, but for some reason either Apple can't be bothered to or doesn't want to.

It can certainly be improved. That doesn't make the change for it to work as connect/disconnect vs on/off horrible just because of that though. Of course for those who only want to use it as on/off it's not all that useful, but for others who actually would use it more as connect/disconnect it can be and (based on various replies) is useful.

 

[Altis]

It can certainly be improved. That doesn't make the change for it to work as connect/disconnect vs on/off horrible just because of that though. Of course for those who only want to use it as on/off it's not all that useful, but for others who actually would use it more as connect/disconnect it can be and (based on various replies) is useful.

No, but it's still a horrible implementation of it. Bad enough they had to put in a message explaining what a freaking toggle button does, as well as removing the functionality of what that same button did to implement their new function that's entirely different.

It should either be a separate button or better yet, make it a 3-way button. It's not rocket science and Apple has no excuse for their thoughtless design.

One can wonder if this was done in part to improve their map database.

 

[Spankey]

I don't even mind if it comes back on the next day. The problem is, is that it comes on after I turn it off and go back into the phone.

This truly sucks. I use Carplay and most apps, when out of wi-fi range, will not seamlessly switch over to carrier data. So of course I'm driving and even though I thought I had wi-fi toggled off at some point it came back on and I have to reach for the phone to turn it off again. Truly aggravating...

Perhaps I turned it off to save battery life? I don't care what the reason, if I turned it off it should stay off..toggle or not. Does the flashlight turn itself off if I toggle it on? I didn't think so....

 

[Streetmagus22]

This is another one of Apples moves that makes things unintuitive. Sadly they like to over complicate things thinking it’s better.. iOS used to be so easy and intuitive that even a child can use it easily.

The whole point of the control center is to avoid having to go extra steps to turn on or off certain things. WiFi button in control center turned off WiFi, saves you from having to unlock your phone, go into settings, go into WiFi to toggle the switch. It has been this way since control center was introduced.
Now in iOS 11, that same button doesn’t turn off WiFi like it used to. It’s tempeopary only to be off while you’re in the same location. Drive down the block and it’ll start searching for WiFi and auto connecting to any WiFi you’ve set to auto join.
What they should’ve done is made it a 3D Touch toggle on the WiFi button to completely turn it off like in settings...