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Looney01

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As the main features (e.g. Apple Pay Cash) are tested outside the developer/public beta cycle, I would assume we do not see more than four betas in total.

The iPhone X will be shipped with iOS 11.1. I see a public release around the 30th/31s October.

I can’t imagine that the iPhone X will be shipped with iOS 11.1 which is still in beta and will only be released to the public once the iPhone X is officially launched. They already need to load the OS on the phones so they cannot load iOS 11.1. It will most likely ship with 11.0.2 with an update to 11.1 soon after launch.
 

Superhappytree

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I can’t imagine that the iPhone X will be shipped with iOS 11.1 which is still in beta and will only be released to the public once the iPhone X is officially launched. They already need to load the OS on the phones so they cannot load iOS 11.1. It will most likely ship with 11.0.2 with an update to 11.1 soon after launch.

The iPhone X was running 11.1 on all the hands on though. You can tell because of the new animations when opening and going ‘back’ to an app, and the camera from the lock screens new ‘pop in’ animation.
 
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sunny2k1

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I can’t imagine that the iPhone X will be shipped with iOS 11.1 which is still in beta and will only be released to the public once the iPhone X is officially launched. They already need to load the OS on the phones so they cannot load iOS 11.1. It will most likely ship with 11.0.2 with an update to 11.1 soon after launch.


The first bench marks of the iPhone X right after the keynote ran on iOS 11.1.

The main features has not been released with iOS 11. Additionally iOS 11 could very well be a polished iOS 10.4 release. We had a ten beta cycle (right until the GM) for iOS 11 for no big features (DND while driving aside).

I tend to speculate that Apple had other plans with the iPhone X announcement. They had to announce it at the September keynote after the GM leak. I think, they wanted to hold an special event in October - only iPhone X related.
 

ck2875

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Additionally iOS 11 could very well be a polished iOS 10.4 release. We had a ten beta cycle (right until the GM) for iOS 11 for no big features (DND while driving aside).

Kind of skipping over drag and drop, complete iPad redesign, control centre, AR Kit, Siri AI Learning on Device, indoor Apple Maps, etc. Delaying iMessage iCloud sync and Peer-to-Peer Apple Pay happened though. But still.

I tend to speculate that Apple had other plans with the iPhone X announcement. They had to announce it at the September keynote after the GM leak. I think, they wanted to hold an special event in October - only iPhone X related.

Well it was leaked way back by the HomePod firmware. It wasn't exactly a secret by the time the GM was being dug through the weekend before the event. But I honestly believe there is no way in hell Apple would announce/release the iPhone 8, and then announce the X a month later outside of the 14-day return window. People would be furious.
 
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sunny2k1

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Kind of skipping over drag and drop, complete iPad redesign, control centre, AR Kit, Siri AI Learning on Device, indoor Apple Maps, etc. Delaying iMessage iCloud sync and Peer-to-Peer Apple Pay happened though. But still.

I did not talk about the iPad features. Based on all iPhone features (Siri AI Learning, AR Kit) you do not need any new device. This could all be part of a 10.x update. Even the iPad features could have been an 10.x release, because the devices were available.

Of course, due to the iPhone 8 they had to publish iOS 11.

Well it was leaked way back by the HomePod firmware. It wasn't exactly a secret by the time the GM was being dug through the weekend before the event. But I honestly believe there is no way in hell Apple would announce/release the iPhone 8, and then announce the X a month later outside of the 14-day return window. People would be furious.

No, the iPhoneX features like Animojis were part of the iOS 11 GM leak. And the HomePod only showed an iOS 11.0.2 release only. That means, they were pretty far regarding iOS 11.1. Today we receive iOS 11.0.3.
 

gwhizkids

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Well it was leaked way back by the HomePod firmware. It wasn't exactly a secret by the time the GM was being dug through the weekend before the event. But I honestly believe there is no way in hell Apple would announce/release the iPhone 8, and then announce the X a month later outside of the 14-day return window. People would be furious.

Not to mention shareholders. The stock would have crashed.
 

PBz

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First.. isn’t this a lot of updates for such a short period of time?
Second (really first to me).. could I bug someone to test Sky Guide and/or Sudoku ME for the in-application speaker clipping/popping with 11.0.3?

I am in PB 11.1 v2 and don’t want to go to 11.0.3 only to be letdown.

Thanks, TC
 

Stuipdboy1000

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Another relatively big update.
 

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PBz

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Oh Schmack... did Apple just send a warning about non-Apple screen repairs with 11.0.3?
 

nfl46

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But didnt he say 6s and 7 only? I am receiving the update on my SE
Reading the main release notes, it looks like it was targeted for the 6s, 7 and 7 Plus. But I’m guessing it was other bug fixes as well, just those two main ones Apple talked about on the update screen.
 

sbailey4

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I can’t imagine there been 7 betas for a x.x release.

Yep. Has happened more than once. Just happened in 10.3.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/03/16/ios-10-3-beta-7/

https://9to5mac.com/2016/12/07/ios-10-2-beta-7/

That’s 2/3 for just iOS 10. Now take that to 9 other versions of iOS.
Even 10.3.3 was 6 betas then release version (different build) so 7 technically for it too.

But didnt he say 6s and 7 only? I am receiving the update on my SE

He updated it to all devices last week.
He did but also seems the release notes really target the 6s, 7 and 7+ as was mentioned initially.
 

Galacticos

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Just because we don’t see noticeable changes doesn’t mean underlying code isn’t getting major revamps.

yeah. this is an anecdote but i noticed a big change in usage times (battery) in ios11. i guessed in another post it may be implementation of the apfs changing the way usage is. either way usage has changed for me and that would be something that could require large code changes
 
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