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Mlrollin91

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Based on the previous schedule. 10.3 beta 1 was released January 26th, 2017. So I only assume that the first beta will be released similar to that as well. Apple wouldn't just leave no betas in the iOS beta program.

I guess we'll find out next week.
There are multiple times in the last 11 years where there has not been any beta in testing. You’re talking about a week and a half. It’s not 2 months. You are fighting an uphill battle fighting the words directly from the CEO.
 

dannyyankou

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Based on the previous schedules. 10.3 beta 1 was released January 26th, 2017. So I only assume that the first beta will be released similar to that as well. Apple wouldn't just leave no betas in the iOS beta program.

I guess we'll find out next week.
Tim already said the developer beta is coming out next month. He’s the CEO, that’s as official as it gets.
 

Evelyn Harthbrooke

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There are multiple times in the last 11 years where there has not been any beta in testing. You’re talking about a week and a half. It’s not 2 months. You are fighting an uphill battle fighting the words directly from the CEO.
He didn't say whether or not the information would be in the first beta. You're assuming stuff, dude. But again, we'll find out next week, and I'm going to leave it at that.
 

Mlrollin91

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He didn't say whether or not the information would be in the first beta. You're assuming stuff, dude. But again, we'll find out next week, and I'm going to leave it at that.
I’m the one assuming stuff? You literally said in the post I quoted that you are assuming. I am taking his direct words. You have no source and are making things up.

You made up two things. They wouldn’t not have a beta in testing and that it won’t be included in the first beta.
 
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Evelyn Harthbrooke

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I’m the one assuming stuff? You literally said in the post I quoted that you are assuming. I am taking his direct words. You have no source and are making things up.
I think you're getting a little bit defensive. I'm speculating. This thread is for speculation. No need to get defensive about it.
 

C DM

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It's mostly all speculation anyway. Maybe it will be one way, or maybe it will be another way.
 

Mlrollin91

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I think you're getting a little bit defensive. I'm speculating. This thread is for speculation. No need to get defensive about it.
I’m only defensive because you put words in my mouth. Don’t say I’m assuming something when you used the word assuming. I don’t tolerate that.

PS. I thought you said you were done. Yet you continue to respond. Seems as you’re also in a defensive state. :rolleyes:
 
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Tmelon

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The quote from Cook just said that the battery options would be in a developer release next month. Apple has obviously been testing 11.3 since before the battery/performance controversy and there’s likely multiple builds internally that don’t have the battery features added. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were given a build of 10.3 before the second beta in February that would have the battery options added.
 

Evelyn Harthbrooke

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The quote from Cook just said that the battery options would be in a developer release next month. Apple has obviously been testing 11.3 since before the battery/performance controversy and there’s likely multiple builds internally that don’t have the battery features added. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were given a build of 10.3 before the second beta in February that would have the battery options added.
This is exactly what I am saying. There's no reason why there can't be a beta 1 of 11.3 without the battery info. That can just be added in a release in February with beta 2 or later. Especially considering the fact that beta 1's usually have a two week hiatus before the second beta. So technically, beta 2 would be released in February if beta 1 was indeed released next week.
 
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Mlrollin91

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The quote from Cook just said that the battery options would be in a developer release next month. Apple has obviously been testing 11.3 since before the battery/performance controversy and there’s likely multiple builds internally that don’t have the battery features added. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were given a build of 10.3 before the second beta in February that would have the battery options added.
Being how big the implementation of this feature probably is, the internal betas were probably scraped and replaced with new internal betas with the battery health. They want to alpha test it as much as possible before sending it out to developers because it could have catastrophic consequences if the “software” limiting feature doesn’t turn off properly.
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This is exactly what I am saying. There's no reason why there can't be a beta 1 of 11.3 without the battery info. That can just be added in a release in February with beta 2. Especially considering the fact that beta 1's usually have a two week hiatus before the second beta. So technically, beta 2 would be released in February if beta 1 was indeed released next week.
See above. That’s a reason why right there.
 

Evelyn Harthbrooke

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Being how big the implementation of this feature probably is, the internal betas were probably scraped and replaced with new internal betas with the battery health. They want to alpha test it as much as possible before sending it out to developers because it could have catastrophic consequences if the “software” limiting feature doesn’t turn off properly.
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See above. That’s a reason why right there.
No, it's not. It's honestly not that big of an implementation to track a battery's health. It just needs to check current capacity vs design capacity as well as various other variables (depending on how the iOS developers choose to go about implementing it) to determine as to whether or not the battery is in good health or not, and just display the information in iOS settings, probably in the Battery page or wherever they decide to put the information. Not that difficult to do, and I don't think it would require too much testing to warrant a delayed beta 1 without it and just put it in a beta 2 or later.

Also, the toggle isn't that big of a deal either. It would just be like turning off Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, or cellular services. It just needs to hook into the respective methods that control the throttling in the first place.
 

sunny2k1

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Wow. It‘s iOS 11.2.0 all over again. At least it answers my question, whether macOS will see an supplementary update or not.

No, it's not. It's honestly not that big of an implementation to track a battery's health. It just needs to check current capacity vs design capacity as well as various other variables (depending on how the iOS developers choose to go about implementing it) to determine as to whether or not the battery is in good health or not, and just display the information in iOS settings, probably in the Battery page or wherever they decide to put the information. Not that difficult to do, and I don't think it would require too much testing to warrant a delayed beta 1 without it and just put it in a beta 2 or later.

Yes, it is. Because you have various core function which have basically to be rewritten. The user interface (what you see in the Settings.app) may the least issue, but you have to access the right parameters within the core OS.
 
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Mlrollin91

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No, it's not. It's honestly not that big of an implementation to track a battery's health. It just needs to check current capacity vs design capacity as well as various other variables (depending on how the iOS developers choose to go about implementing it) to determine as to whether or not the battery is in good health or not, and just display the information in iOS settings, probably in the Battery page or wherever they decide to put the information. Not that difficult to do, and I don't think it would require too much testing to warrant a delayed beta 1 without it and just put it in a beta 2 or later.
You missed the entire second part of the the implementation. The ability to turn on and off the “throttling” based on health of the battery. Letting the user choose. That’s will require a lot more implementation because it has to be system wide.
 
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Evelyn Harthbrooke

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You missed the entire second part of the the implementation. The ability to turn on and off the “throttling” based on health of the battery. Letting the user choose. That’s will require a lot more implementation because it has to be system wide.
I edited it with information about the toggle right as you posted that message.
 

Tmelon

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Being how big the implementation of this feature probably is, the internal betas were probably scraped and replaced with new internal betas with the battery health. They want to alpha test it as much as possible before sending it out to developers because it could have catastrophic consequences if the “software” limiting feature doesn’t turn off properly.
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See above. That’s a reason why right there.
I get what you’re saying, but your theory on their internal betas is just speculation. Aside from the battery features, we have no idea what else will be included in 11.3 and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that there are other features that are ready to be tested.
 

sunny2k1

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I get what you’re saying, but your theory on their internal betas is just speculation. Aside from the battery features, we have no idea what else will be included in 11.3 and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that there are other features that are ready to be tested.

IOS 11.1 was already for internal testing (only for iPhone X) on the day of the keynote. Apple already has started iOS 12 planning,
 

Evelyn Harthbrooke

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Yes, it is. Because you have various core function which have basically to be rewritten. The user interface (what you see in the Settings.app) may the least issue, but you have to access the right parameters within the core OS.

Yeah, alright. Still not that difficult. Also, I find it highly likely that they were already doing what I was talking about with the battery percentage. How do you track stuff like that without tracking the battery's capacity or other things? They just have to hook into methods such as those, but update them to support being displayed publicly in some form or another.

Anyways, this has gone massively off-course. I'm going to leave it at that, as I don't want to steer this thread any more off-course than it's already gotten.
 

sunny2k1

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Yeah, alright. Still not that difficult. Also, I find it highly likely that they were already doing what I was talking about with the battery percentage. How do you track stuff like that without tracking the battery's capacity or other things? They just have to hook into methods such as those.

Anyways, this has gone massively off-course. I'm going to leave it at that, as I don't want to steer this thread any more off-course than it's already gotten.


A not unlikely scenario could be an iOS 11.3 beta 1 without the battery toogle.
 

sbailey4

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I think you're getting a little bit defensive. I'm speculating. This thread is for speculation. No need to get defensive about it.
I see what you are saying. Tim's quote COULD mean that the battery health info will be an 'A' version of a developer preview next month (maybe b2 or some other later build in Feb). Others here are reading it as a developer preview is coming next month that will have the battery health info. (Meaning the developer preview 1.) So it could be interpreted either way I suppose.
[doublepost=1516394291][/doublepost]Pretty sure no iOS 11.2.3/11.2.4 will happen and 11.2.5 will drop next week as the next official release.
 
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