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All Devices iOS 13 Speculation Thread [Merged]
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To give quick (and slightly updated) version of my theory:
-Tariff situation has caused Apple to build and ship a lot of phones early
-Those phones have 13 on them, more or less as it exists now, as they have to have something
-13.1 is really just the continuation of the 13 beta and will be the release version for upgraders.
-Users upgrading current phones may never see 13.0
it’s the only way it all makes sense.
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No I suspect gwhizkids theory above is correct and we may see more betas as 13.1 continues development up to the 19th or 20th. Just my opinion but it’s the only way I can make sense of it.
Nah, don’t buy that. There’s been no indication that any phones have been shipped, as they stuff is never subtle.
13.0 GM will be on the 10th, General release on 17th/18th (I forget if they do it on a Tuesday or a Wednesday) with phones on 20th (or the 13.0 release and phone release the week after).
13.1 out mid/end October.
Why wouldn’t they go with 13.0.1 then over a whole new x.1 update with a bunch of additions and less stability and polish?
As you suggest:
x.0.1 releases are usually bug fixes and the like.
x.1 releases usually add significant feature updates.
In this case I wonder if they feel the x.1 updates are important enough to warrant early inclusion?
Whatever the case, we are all confused and are just guessing.
Not sure if Apple is going to be super overt about surreptitiously shipping phones to avoid a tariff.
I've offered my theory. To date, I have not seen a single other theory for this quite odd development which is unprecedented. What's changed? The trade status between the United States (not the UK) and China, where these devices are made. Perhaps my theory is not 100% correct, but I think I am close to the mark.
Just happened to read some tweets from the last hour from Jason Snell and Rene Ritchie and came across this:
https://medium.com/@charlesarthur/i...ened-tariffs-not-missed-features-667ff8e41b0e
They wouldn’t have to ship to US I don’t think, just somewhere out of China. Not sure of that though.
I do agree it’s the only idea that makes any sense.
From what the Medium post says, tariffs are imposed FOB the shipping country, so I think as long as they are out of China, they'd be ok.
The new iPhone tariffs don't land until Dec. 15. So that doesn't make much sense.
Seeing how Trump changes his mind ever so frequently I'm guessing Apple didn't want to take any chances.
Though I'm personally surprised at the sudden drop in build quality between beta 8 and 13.1 beta. Beta 8 was mostly stable barring a few minor bugs here and there, but 13.1 was a huge step back. I definitely do not think 13.1 should be the version that gets pushed out to the public after the keynote.
That was not true as of August 13, though (see CNN article below). Remember, a go/no-go on early shipments did not happen this past Tuesday. It was likely made in late July/early August, so that as many phones could be transhipped out of China as possible before Sept 1.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/13/tech/apple-tech-companies-tariffs/index.html
Remember, Tim Cook's forte is logistics. This smells like a logistics play.
[doublepost=1567181664][/doublepost]Is there any way to downgrade from IOS 13.1 beta 1 to IOS beta 8 as I want to move from the beta to the final release when it will be realeased by Apple ? Thank you for your help
That’s why I’m on 13.0 beta 8 for both my iPhone and iPad Pro. No 13.1 for these for now.
Like C DM said, a 13.0.1 release would make waaaaaaaaay more sense, plus there’s precedent for this.
Also, for a 13.1 release that’s adding 2 features back in, we’re only going to get 2-3 betas if they’re releasing them on the day of the new phones (If it’s the 20th September).
There’s just no logic from a dev point of view for 13.1 to be rushed out for the 20th.
So, yes, I’m guessing, but there’s logic and precedence on my side.
Well, it’s a beta 1, code has change, thus they need people testing
We should get more clarity on 10 Sep, an expected GM release day. I personally doubt it Apple will manage to make iOS 13.1 ready for the masses by 20 September, but if they do, will be super happy too. For now will stay on iOS 13.0 DB8/PB7.
And that's probably a good way to conclude at least this part of the discussion. As I said earlier, if we see another beta this coming week, that's a good data point that they are fast tracking this.
I emailed Craig about Peek and Pop. It couldn’t hurt, lol. Someone did that about 3D Touch multitasking a few years ago, and he replied saying they’ll add it back.
It didn’t really surprise me that much that 13.1 came early to developers. What surprised and confused me is the fact that they released 13.1 right away as a public beta too, considering the potential headache it can cause if 13.1 doesn’t get released shortly after 13.0.
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Alright, Craig replied and he asked me to elaborate a bit more. I sent him a follow up and hopefully he replies.