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marlman

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It means they found a problem because the developers reported it, most probably the SE problem so they have delayed it. It is how it works!
 
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AZhappyjack

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It means they found a problem because the developers reported it, most probably the SE problem so they have delayed it. It is how it works!

Speculation, for sure (at least the speculation thread is the correct place for it). The recovery thing with the 2020 SE has been happening all along (beta 1, 2, 3 and 4)... and it not a DOA situation. I am incredibly doubtful that it was the SE recovery thing that is holding up the PB... and, to be honest, there may be NO issue holding anything up... it could be something completely different.
 

TheSkywalker77

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Speculation, for sure (at least the speculation thread is the correct place for it). The recovery thing with the 2020 SE has been happening all along (beta 1, 2, 3 and 4)... and it not a DOA situation. I am incredibly doubtful that it was the SE recovery thing that is holding up the PB... and, to be honest, there may be NO issue holding anything up... it could be something completely different.
I’m thinking it’s the watchOS and macOS betas that are holding it up.
 

Jimpilot

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The 13.1 was an abnormality. Apple usually only changes from habit with abnormalities like that. If anything, they could stretch it out, as some people think that iOS 14 will be release later than usual as the new devices are going to be later than usual. A beta seeming 'more stable' is not an abnormality.

well this sure seems to be the year of abnormalities
 
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gank41

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not in the same way.

The last line of my post is why the OPs reason would not apply.

Well, considering how flakey iOS 13 was, I’ve found most people just looking forward to stability again. And seeing that they even took time in the keynote to point out more stability this year, going back to what I said initially (considering we’re all just speculating here), was that folks could start seeing a weekly beta cycle start as soon as next week. Last year there was a beta that came out on a Friday after a beta came out earlier that week. It all depends on their internal schedule for when things need to be finalized. And I wouldn’t find it odd if after 4 rather stable beta releases, that they’d move quicker faster to shore up any loose ends so they can have the most stable product on the new phones when they’re packaged up. Speculating.
 

robert1998

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Maybe they will release an updated beta 4 this week or beta 5 next week and then a new public beta?
 

AZhappyjack

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Well, considering how flakey iOS 13 was, I’ve found most people just looking forward to stability again. And seeing that they even took time in the keynote to point out more stability this year, going back to what I said initially (considering we’re all just speculating here), was that folks could start seeing a weekly beta cycle start as soon as next week. Last year there was a beta that came out on a Friday after a beta came out earlier that week. It all depends on their internal schedule for when things need to be finalized. And I wouldn’t find it odd if after 4 rather stable beta releases, that they’d move quicker faster to shore up any loose ends so they can have the most stable product on the new phones when they’re packaged up. Speculating.

Asked. And answered. See above.
 

Ansath

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Well, considering how flakey iOS 13 was, I’ve found most people just looking forward to stability again. And seeing that they even took time in the keynote to point out more stability this year, going back to what I said initially (considering we’re all just speculating here), was that folks could start seeing a weekly beta cycle start as soon as next week. Last year there was a beta that came out on a Friday after a beta came out earlier that week. It all depends on their internal schedule for when things need to be finalized. And I wouldn’t find it odd if after 4 rather stable beta releases, that they’d move quicker faster to shore up any loose ends so they can have the most stable product on the new phones when they’re packaged up. Speculating.

Not that stable, seeing that I was having 15-30 reboots a day in B1-3 on my iPhone, and on B2 on my iPad, of which I was not the only one. Along with other issues. Widgets are still not stable. I actually had less issues on iOS 13.

Just because you had a stable Beta journey with iOS 14, doesn’t mean we all did.

The beta that came out on the Friday with iOS 13 After one earlier in the week, was due to the one earlier in the week being pulled as it bricked some users devices. It was the same beta release number, but different build.
 

LFC2020

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The beta that came out on the Friday with iOS 13 After one earlier in the week, was due to the one earlier in the week being pulled as it bricked some users devices. It was the same beta release number, but different build.

Question is do I get out of bed at 5am tomorrow morning during winter in Australia to install public betas for iOS and macOS?

Or don’t bother, they ain't getting released tomorrow. 😂
 

jeffcny

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I feel as though Apple has more flexibility this year with all the covid related delays. We may see betas all of August and September.
 
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gank41

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Not that stable, seeing that I was having 15-30 reboots a day in B1-3 on my iPhone, and on B2 on my iPad, of which I was not the only one. Along with other issues. Widgets are still not stable. I actually had less issues on iOS 13.

15-30 reboots a day?? Yikes! I'm assuming you've tried a clean install and went thru app by app installing one at a time to find out which app(s) is causing that? When something like that continues to happen, and it's clear that it's happening to some but not everyone (because that would be one of those showstopper problems that could hold up a Public Beta release), it's most likely an app that's either old or just isn't set to work well on iOS 14 (or possibly iOS 13 even) yet. For me, I had to delete PAC-MAN 256 when iOS 14 Dev Beta 2 was released. It's been one of my most used games for years, but it hasn't been updated since late 2016. And I only found that out because I did a clean install and went thru and installed the apps I use the most first just to make sure they'd still work. After installing that game and opening it, it crashed right away. Then my phone rebooted.. I deleted it and now I don't have that issue. I've also found that an app called World Clock continued to drain my battery and make my phone hot.. Deleted the app and now that's not a problem anymore.

I'm not trying to diminish your issues here, just saying that 30 reboots a day? I wouldn't be able to use my phone if that was the case, and would have gone back to iOS 13. I'm hoping you're filing feedback with sysdiagnose logs and stuff, right? What troubleshooting have you done?
 

Ansath

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15-30 reboots a day?? Yikes! I'm assuming you've tried a clean install and went thru app by app installing one at a time to find out which app(s) is causing that? When something like that continues to happen, and it's clear that it's happening to some but not everyone (because that would be one of those showstopper problems that could hold up a Public Beta release), it's most likely an app that's either old or just isn't set to work well on iOS 14 (or possibly iOS 13 even) yet. For me, I had to delete PAC-MAN 256 when iOS 14 Dev Beta 2 was released. It's been one of my most used games for years, but it hasn't been updated since late 2016. And I only found that out because I did a clean install and went thru and installed the apps I use the most first just to make sure they'd still work. After installing that game and opening it, it crashed right away. Then my phone rebooted.. I deleted it and now I don't have that issue. I've also found that an app called World Clock continued to drain my battery and make my phone hot.. Deleted the app and now that's not a problem anymore.

I'm not trying to diminish your issues here, just saying that 30 reboots a day? I wouldn't be able to use my phone if that was the case, and would have gone back to iOS 13. I'm hoping you're filing feedback with sysdiagnose logs and stuff, right? What troubleshooting have you done?

I've been doing beta testing on iOS since about iPhoneOS 3, so I know what I am doing. It wasn't my primary device, but it was a clone of it, basically. So I still had a device on iOS 13 that I could use. I had done clean install, everything, same happened. It was definitely OS related (for many obvious reasons, including the iPad doing same on Beta 2, but didn't on B1 or B3 & 4), not App related. Also, I wasn't the only one with this issue, there have been others, both here and on the Dev forum. It is now resolved and working fine since updating to Beta 4. As I have said many times, I have filed via feedback and have had dialog with Apple about it, and this morning confirmed with them that Beta 4 has resolved the issue.
 
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Ansath

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Question is do I get out of bed at 5am tomorrow morning during winter in Australia to install public betas for iOS and macOS?

Or don’t bother, they ain't getting released tomorrow. 😂

I've not seen any rumblings from reliable sources about PB coming today or tomorrow, yet. Only the wild guesses, that seem to say today on every day lol 😆
 
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Prpolo

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It’s here!
 

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Geckotek

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Doh!! Got booked up with meetings and didn't get a chance to check with my little feathered friend!

Oh well, downloading now. Hope it finishes quickly enough before I go for my walk. :)

Edit:He says “I told you today!”
 

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LFC2020

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Public beta time. 😁 macOS big sur installing first, then onto iOS public beta.
 

Ansath

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Still no watchOS public beta. :(

I'm wondering if it's been delayed, due to COVI, as if anyone has issues with the Beta, they've either got to provide support for downgrading it either in Apple Stores or sending them in somewhere, and with places closing back down, etc, they don't want to take the risk at the moment. Just pure speculation, of course.
 
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