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TimFL1

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Agree with both of these statements. It is easy to get back PROVIDED you set yourself up to do so with an encrypted, archived backup.

If you don’t spend the time to learn how to be able to restore to a “stable” release, you pretty much deserve whatever happens to your data.

But, as @JCCL mentions, the risk to most operational data is pretty slight now, with most of it residing in the cloud. The biggest risk is to your health and fitness data, which can only be archived via an encrypted backup (and even then you would lose whatever data was generated since the backup was created).

The biggest barrier to uneducated participants using the developer beta is the cost of the developer program (US $99). I think that is why the MR team is relentless in removing posts advertising where you can get the developer profile for free. They don’t want to be accused of facilitating someone losing their data or, worse, having a phone incapable of, e.g., making emergency calls because an early beta messed up the phone app. During the iOS 13 early betas, my GPS was completely messed up. Maps had me driving across farm fields and lakes. Had this become an issue for me (i.e., if I really needed maps to go somewhere I was not familiar with), I would have had to revert. Imagine that situation if you had to navigate to a hospital in an unfamiliar place. (I had the vehicle nav as my backup)
No. They remove the links to developer profile sites because it‘s against the Apple Developer agreement and can result in your developer account being suspended. It has nothing to do with protecting average joes from bricked devices, it‘s simply about the act of sharing a profile being against the ToS for the developer program. It‘s lowkey illegal and MR (and probably most sites involved in iOS things) doesn‘t want to get caught in between a rock and a hard place.
 
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murad_fourth

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I was wrong!

I am not a developer but i have installed iOS 15 Beta 1 to my iPhone.

You all guys above are right… I should not have done this to my iPhone since it is in pain now due to the bugs in the beta version.

However, i will still wait for iOS 15 Beta 2. I will let my iPhone suffer because of my mistake.

Poor thing! It doesn’t deserve it… 🤣
 

gwhizkids

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No. They remove the links to developer profile sites because it‘s against the Apple Developer agreement and can result in your developer account being suspended. It has nothing to do with protecting average joes from bricked devices, it‘s simply about the act of sharing a profile being against the ToS for the developer program. It‘s lowkey illegal and MR (and probably most sites involved in iOS things) doesn‘t want to get caught in between a rock and a hard place.

Well yeah. That too
 

christian.terra

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Based on past releases, I'm going to bet on tomorrow even though I would love to see beta 2 drop today (it has happened). The 3 week cycles were pretty rare, and I think last year was a 3 week cycle because of how late in June they announced ios 14.
 

VSMacOne

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Probably beta 2 next week so the first one in July is the week after July 4th and that’s going to be the public beta 1.
 

TimFL1

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Beta 2 will be today or tomorrow at 1pm EDT / 10am PDT. Then Beta 3 will be two weeks from that day. Usually the first 4 betas are in 2 week cycles before they go to an every week cycle.
I hope it‘s today, my life is pretty boring right now and B2 would be the highlight of the week outside of work.

That being said, we should expand our speculation to also include bets on whether the upcoming beta release is better or worse than the current one. The quality of Beta 1 reminds me of that one freakshow beta cycle from a few years ago that had a great B1, followed by trainwreck B2 and B3 that had me literally crawling for 4 weeks straight, praying to Craig Federeghi every night for sweet salvation (which came with B4, if I recall correctly).

I‘m optimistic: Beta 2 will be great too and fix a few annoyances.
 

vbctv

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Probably beta 2 next week so the first one in July is the week after July 4th and that’s going to be the public beta 1.
Public Beta 1 has been announced for July and ended up being released at end of June before. I believe it was iOS 12 or 13 the last time it happened. But WWDC was also earlier this year than the last few years. But it's always 2 week cycles. 4th Of July is on a Sunday and observed that Monday the 5th. But they can still release on that next day Tuesday and have before in the past I believe.
 

gank41

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I’m not expecting a new beta this week.

That said, I’d love to see one.
It’d be great to see b2 today (two weeks later) but I’d assume if we did see anything this week it’ll be tomorrow or Wednesday. I think we’ll see Dev B2 next Tuesday, and then PB1 the following week.
 
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gwhizkids

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Next week it’s coming
Most likely, yes.

And to those who inevitably will say "But Beta 1 has been so great. I'm sure they'll release Beta 2 earlier", let's get this out of the way now: Apple Beta HQ has a wall with a big calendar on it. On that calendar, there are dates already circled in red when betas will drop, all the way through the public release date, likely in late September. The keepers of that calendar do not have meetings where they say "Wow! Beta 1 is doing really well. Let's cross out all those dates we planned months ago and circle new dates just because its doing well." No. They keep executing on their plan unless something really bad happens that has them choose an alternate date. And this is really, really unlikely and may have happened once or twice over the past 5-7 years. I am sure when it does happen, somebody at Beta HQ has a very bad day and have to turn in their Apple Employee badge.
 

gank41

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Most likely, yes.

And to those who inevitably will say "But Beta 1 has been so great. I'm sure they'll release Beta 2 earlier", let's get this out of the way now: Apple Beta HQ has a wall with a big calendar on it. On that calendar, there are dates already circled in red when betas will drop, all the way through the public release date, likely in late September. The keepers of that calendar do not have meetings where they say "Wow! Beta 1 is doing really well. Let's cross out all those dates we planned months ago and circle new dates just because its doing well." No. They keep executing on their plan unless something really bad happens that has them choose an alternate date. And this is really, really unlikely and may have happened once or twice over the past 5-7 years. I am sure when it does happen, somebody at Beta HQ has a very bad day and have to turn in their Apple Employee badge.
And to go along with this, Apple likely knew 2-3 months ago that iOS 15 b1 was going to run as smoothly as we are all finding now. They run the versions internally looong before we see them.
 
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AZhappyjack

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Public Beta 1 has been announced for July and ended up being released at end of June before. I believe it was iOS 12 or 13 the ONLY time it happened. But WWDC was also earlier this year than the last few years. But it's always 2 week cycles. 4th Of July is on a Sunday and observed that Monday the 5th. But they can still release on that next day Tuesday and have before in the past I believe.
Fixed that for you... patience, young grasshopper...

And FWIW, Cook never said "July"... he said "next month"... perhaps that's a distinction without a difference, but words mean things.
 
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