I asked if anyone had experienced the issue, and had no replies. Thanks. Currently working as designed does not mean it is working correctly Either.
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iOS 17 Beta 8 ― Bug Fixes, Changes, and Improvements
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Well, it’s working correctly as far as they intended it. It’s just not working the way you want it to, which is different.
It is working as expected, not correctly, for the current beta release, so there is a known issue that has been released. The idea for Beta testing is that feedback is gathered for known and unknown bugs from beta testers/developers. The current geolocation bug may not be a problem with all devices connected to HomeKit, so the bug is a bug and the geolocation function is not working correctly for sure.
I know this has been asked probably a million times, so apologies.
I was always under the impression that a IPSW install was a wipe and restore? If I were to install (using your excellent instructions at the beginning of this thread), is it the same as an OTA update - ie it will keep all my settings? I would prefer to do that, but have always done a OTA install. The app I am worried about is my company RSA app, as that is a real PIA to get reinstalled and I am in the chicken and egg situation that I have no remote access (I WFH) to contact support lol or access to my work VDI machine if that goes. Fixable, but waste half a day!
Thanks and sorry to make you repeat yourself
Have a look at page 1.
Pinned to the top is an instal guide using IPSW or OTA for updates, reinstalls etc
Just re-installed Beta 8 over the top of my OTA install
Everyday is a school day. I just presumed that IPSW way was a 'fresh' install
This is the way forward as i feel like i have a fresh OS now, rather than an incremental update if that makes sense. I can see how it will build on bugs the other way.
The operating system files are signed, and you end up with the same files installed regardless of the method used to get to a given version of operating system, so if you were already on beta 8, you have exactly the same thing installed as you did before reinstalling.Just re-installed Beta 8 over the top of my OTA install
Everyday is a school day. I just presumed that IPSW way was a 'fresh' install
This is the way forward as i feel like i have a fresh OS now, rather than an incremental update if that makes sense. I can see how it will build on bugs the other way.
Agreed, but as far as I understand it is a whole OS reinstall, rather than a patch that the OTA is.
In my mind it is like a docker install when you have all the app data on a separate volume compared to an application install on a machine - in docker you get a fresh OS and fresh app (but keep the data), but in a normal update you get the patched OS and app.
I don't think i explained myself very well lol but I know what i mean!
It's not like that. The files are all identical, regardless of how you get there. The signatures on the files require that, or the OS won't boot.
Did they remove the ability to create a contact photo using initials or emoji? When I go to edit a contact, I only see the contact poster setup screen.
And that is anecdotally confirmed by the millions of users who update regularly throughout the lifetime of their iOS devices.
Do you think the average Joe or Jill User actually contemplate going with the IPSW version vs just doing the OTA update?
Just re-installed Beta 8 over the top of my OTA install
Everyday is a school day. I just presumed that IPSW way was a 'fresh' install
This is the way forward as i feel like i have a fresh OS now, rather than an incremental update if that makes sense. I can see how it will build on bugs the other way.
It is a fresh install in respect that it installs the full iOS files, instead of patching like OTA does.
Great thing is, it doesn’t touch your data or you need to get any back ups involved. It literally reinstalls the iOS and only takes minutes.
Great results from this I’ve consistently had since iOS 15. Little bit more time, but so worth it.
Would be amazing if you had the option to do a full install/update using the OTA method every time. Then you would have the luxury of being tether free.
One day maybe.
By the way there is literally no need to worry about it being a "full install" vs a "patched update".
EVERY update now does a full cryptographic verification of the entire OS partition; if it doesn't match the update will fail.
This isn't something worth worrying about anymore. Remember, hundreds of millions of iPhones get updated several times a year without people even having to think about it. It's an exceedingly reliable process with plenty of verification along the way. Even a 0.01% update failure rate would cause Apple a MASSIVE support burden; they can't afford it to not be perfect.
Could not have said it better myself.
Conversation in Cupertino that did NOT happen:
“𝘈𝘱𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘌𝘯𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘳: 𝘞𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘯’𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘣𝘦 𝘧𝘶𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘪𝘧 𝘸𝘦 𝘱𝘶𝘳𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘪𝘵 𝘴𝘰 𝘔𝘢𝘪𝘭.𝘢𝘱𝘱 𝘥𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘦𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘭 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯? 𝘓𝘖𝘓𝘖𝘓𝘖𝘓!”
“𝘚𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘥 𝘈𝘱𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘌𝘯𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘳: 𝘠𝘦𝘢𝘩, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘴𝘢𝘺 𝘪𝘵’𝘴 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯𝘦𝘥, 𝘴𝘰 𝘪𝘵’𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘣𝘳𝘰𝘬𝘦𝘯! 𝘓𝘖𝘓𝘖𝘓𝘖𝘓!”
Apple’s finance team might have something to say about the additional bandwidth they’d need to pay the CDN provider for for a full install.
Yes and No.
A few months back a few of us did an activity with Apple's Mr. Hair and our results demonstrated there could be a difference in effect based on OTA vs IPSW.
Binary's matched though.
It was eye opening and a reason you see some here recommend the ipsw.
No but I lost track how many times I heard Apple CS recommend a reinstall of the OS.
It's a step on their trouble shooting guide.
No, I know all that.
It’s the re-installation process that seems to do wonders. And this is also promoted by Apple as a step to take to keep your phone software running smoothly.
Edit: So I don’t worry about it, at all. Because I install using the IPSW file every time and get great results to others on here.
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Yeah totally. But one day when everything is hyper sonic. 5 years maybe…
I just wish the IPSW install fixed my square notifications bug. Which is still happening in the latest version BTW...
I am running public beta on iOS 17 on both mine and my wife’s iPhone 14 Pro Max. Both of us are running Tmobile and have decent 5G coverage. I have found a weird bug, can someone confirm me is this the case for them as well?
Try this on iOS 17 device
1. Turn off WiFi
2. Make sure data is on
3. Make a FaceTime call to another iOS 17 device
4. See if the other device gets the call.
I have tried resetting network settings, hard reset, updating to latest public beta, nothing seems to be working. The only thing left is restoring the phone and then trying.
Thanks
I have already reported this to Apple since few betas but haven't had any luck.
Try this on iOS 17 device
1. Turn off WiFi
2. Make sure data is on
3. Make a FaceTime call to another iOS 17 device
4. See if the other device gets the call.
I have tried resetting network settings, hard reset, updating to latest public beta, nothing seems to be working. The only thing left is restoring the phone and then trying.
Thanks
I have already reported this to Apple since few betas but haven't had any luck.