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gank41

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Okay, bet 😼
They’re clearly going to still need “Profiles” in general due to work related things and whatnot. Or maybe not! They clearly don’t need them for beta software anymore. I haven’t used or needed a beta profile since whenever Apple enabled the option in Software Updates. I've even done a full restore, and then enabled beta updates. If there was going to be a time they turned that off, it’d be at a release like this one.
 
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gwhizkids

macrumors G5
Jun 21, 2013
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Okay, bet 😼
Apple is clearly trying to limit the Developer previews/betas usage to actual registered developers. They've gone to a lot of effort into changing the program from one requiring a profile to be installed to a different program requiring that the user be signed in with an Apple account registered as a developer account. To this point, they've been fine-tuning it, and it has been hit or miss. I am reasonably confident that that was all designed to be prepared for the iOS 17 rollout. Or, perhaps more pointedly, for the xROS rollout. I would be shocked if anyone without an active, paid Apple developer account will be able to install an IPSW next Monday or thereafter.
 

Realityck

macrumors G4
Nov 9, 2015
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Silicon Valley, CA
Apple is clearly trying to limit the Developer previews/betas usage to actual registered developers. They've gone to a lot of effort into changing the program from one requiring a profile to be installed to a different program requiring that the user be signed in with an Apple account registered as a developer account. To this point, they've been fine-tuning it, and it has been hit or miss. I am reasonably confident that that was all designed to be prepared for the iOS 17 rollout. Or, perhaps more pointedly, for the xROS rollout. I would be shocked if anyone without an active, paid Apple developer account will be able to install an IPSW next Monday or thereafter.
There are several possibilities, first might be suggestive to more underlying changes to iOS or other OS's than what’s been done in the previous few years? Yeah suggesting incorporation of initial dev releases at WWDC with less stabile baselines.

Secondly we discussed this relevant to AR or XROS whatever but could be other changes that they want to incorporate and having non-NDA developers frequently a source of leaks might have finally forced them to go a more thorough route of software release verification then years previously.

If one looks at the xROS example, it's like a security nightmare of people wanting to blab whatever without any consideration to corporate security.

There might be other reasons, but the OS stability and software confidentiality compliance seem enough to warrant using Apple ID verification rather than anyone use a generic dev profile to gain access. Just some thoughts.
 

gwhizkids

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Jun 21, 2013
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There are several possibilities, first might be suggestive to more underlying changes to iOS or other OS's than what’s been done in the previous few years? Yeah suggesting incorporation of initial dev releases at WWDC with less stabile baselines.

Secondly we discussed this relevant to AR or XROS whatever but could be other changes that they want to incorporate and having non-NDA developers frequently a source of leaks might have finally forced them to go a more thorough route of software release verification then years previously.

If one looks at the xROS example, it's like a security nightmare of people wanting to blab whatever without any consideration to corporate security.

There might be other reasons, but the OS stability and software confidentiality compliance seem enough to warrant using Apple ID verification rather than anyone use a generic dev profile to gain access. Just some thoughts.

Your second paragraph is intriguing. We’ll have to see if Apple cracks down on discussions of beta software in places like MR. Right now, I’d say that the NDA is honored more in the breach.

Also will be interesting to see if they release an SDK for xROS to the general development community (or if they incorporate it into xCode or not [almost certainly, “yes”]). Alternatively, they could require developers to sign an additional NDA for xROS, an NDA with more teeth.
 

Pearsey

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Nov 12, 2016
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🚨 ABSOLUTELY this!!! 🚨

➡️ Archive that encrypted back up from an official build before iOS 17. (So I’ve done one from 16.5) ⬅️

I CAN NOT STRESS that enough.

You need a safe platform/back up to go back to if sh*t hits the fan. If you hate IOS 17, as it’s just too buggy, you can easily restore back to the last official build.

Also some advice for the newbies to this or not that confident to get yourselves out of a bricked phone situ… I’d wait till beta 3 to be in the all round “safer” side of iOS 17 👍🏼

PLEASE, PLEASE, just brush up on some general reading about betas, IPSW files and DFU mode for emergencies. It still amazes me the way people go into these things blind and then panic because their “main” device 🙄 doesnt work how “they” had expected.

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gwhizkids

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Jun 21, 2013
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They work for me on 16.6 beta. I lost my profile and I only have public betas as an option in settings.

As for iOS 17, you'll probably need to do something in Xcode, I had to do it last year. I need to refresh my memory.

I will stand by my original statement that I doubt there will be any way short of outright hacking to install an iOS 17 IPSW file without having a valid developer account on the device on which you are doing this. Ignore what has happened thus far; its purely Apple getting it in final shape. If they are determined to restrict access to paid developers only, that’s what’s going to happen
 
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Pearsey

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Nov 12, 2016
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Apple is clearly trying to limit the Developer previews/betas usage to actual registered developers. They've gone to a lot of effort into changing the program from one requiring a profile to be installed to a different program requiring that the user be signed in with an Apple account registered as a developer account. To this point, they've been fine-tuning it, and it has been hit or miss. I am reasonably confident that that was all designed to be prepared for the iOS 17 rollout. Or, perhaps more pointedly, for the xROS rollout. I would be shocked if anyone without an active, paid Apple developer account will be able to install an IPSW next Monday or thereafter.

I know a man for that job 😆😂

Be interesting to see what happens to my account. It was a paid for Dev account, which then expired. But I still have access to all IPSW downloads. 🤷🏽
 

Realityck

macrumors G4
Nov 9, 2015
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Then immediately we have the many that will be waiting for the first PB of iOS 17. Not like Monday solves everything. :eek:

Last year iOS 16.0 dev beta 3 came out July 5th with PB on July 6th. Maybe this year we can hope it arrives by June 29th or 30th? Hey we could get lucky! :cool:
 

redbeard331

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Jul 21, 2009
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Then immediately we have the many that will be waiting for the first PB of iOS 17. Not like Monday solves everything. :eek:

Last year dev beta 3 came out July 5th with PB on July 6th. Maybe this year we can hope it arrives by June 29th or 30th? Hey we could get lucky! :cool:

I’m gonna hop on the beta Monday, just hope its something that makes all our wildest dreams come true.🌌
 
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