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iOS 17 Speculation Thread

It will be interesting to see if iOS 17.5 includes any substantial feature improvements. With the long wait for betas, it should. One thing I’m holding out for in either a later version of 17 or 18 is the ability to use AirPlay Receiver between more devices, like between the iPhone and iPad. This already works between an iPhone and a Mac, and that setting on the Mac is also called “AirPlay Receiver” so I see absolutely no reason why this functionality wouldn’t be included at some point.
 
Kal Madda said:
It will be interesting to see if iOS 17.5 includes any substantial feature improvements. With the long wait for betas, it should. One thing I’m holding out for in either a later version of 17 or 18 is the ability to use AirPlay Receiver between more devices, like between the iPhone and iPad. This already works between an iPhone and a Mac, and that setting on the Mac is also called “AirPlay Receiver” so I see absolutely no reason why this functionality wouldn’t be included at some point.
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I know it's taken a while but I highly doubt we see any major features in 17.5 beta 1
 
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It has been more than a year since the date of entry into force of the EU law was published. It was rumored that the iOS 17 betas in June would address installing apps externally, but it didn't happen. Apple and only Apple is to blame for having waited until the last second, the law has been published for some time, so Apple, like the rest of the companies, has known for some time that they have to comply.
To this we add that iOS engineers were referred to develop the software for the glasses, instead of hiring more workers, since now we see the problem of wanting to tackle so many projects with a limited number of workers.
And in other territories, the US and the United Kingdom among others, Apple faces similar problems as in the EU, so the EU was the first, but other countries and regions will end up forcing it to make practically the same changes that it has had to make in the EU.
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The EU didn’t decide on a lot of details regarding the DMA until last minute. Case in point, they only decided about a month before the deadline for the DMA whether or not they would require an overhaul of iMessage. This is why Apple had to have several meetings with the EU to get clarification on the details, because they were woefully absent with the DMA until the last minute. So it isn’t Apple’s fault. Sure, Apple knew some nebulous, evolving, and ill-defined regulation would come into effect in a year, but how is that at all helpful? They had little to no actual hard details on many different aspects of the requirements until shortly before they came into effect. So it would seem it’s the EU’s fault for A. drafting this ridiculous legislation and passing down these silly edicts they should have no business creating in the first place if they were operating within the proper scope of government authority (I’m an American Conservative, not a socialist), and B. For not even being clear on what their requirements would be until the last minute on many aspects of the DMA. It goes without saying you’re free to disagree, but from my perspective, this was clear government overreach akin to government telling McDonalds it needs to sell Pizza or such (the DMA dictates that private businesses must offer particular services), and beyond it being a legislation the government shouldn’t be drafting in the first place, they gave Apple little detail on how it would apply until last minute. So I blame the EU. The EU should mind their own business and not try to meddle with private businesses and forcing them to provide products or services that they don’t want to, and use up precious development resources to implement. I believe this meddling is responsible for the delays we’re experiencing with new betas for iOS 17.5.
 
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I know it's taken a while but I highly doubt we see any major features in 17.5 beta 1
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Even if they only made the changes to the AirPlay Receiver setting’s device compatibility, that would be great! It doesn’t have to be major new features, but enhancements to some existing ones would be great! I just hope it’s not a new emoji update after this long wait.
 
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Kal Madda said:
Even if they only made the changes to the AirPlay Receiver setting’s device compatibility, that would be great! It doesn’t have to be major new features, but enhancements to some existing ones would be great! I just hope it’s not a new emoji update after this long wait.
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It won’t be an emoji update, because the new emojis were introduced with 17.4. However, I also think 17.5 will be focused on more bug-fixes and security patches. Including AirPlay between iPhone and iPad, while possible (if it’s an iOS 17 announced feature), like other minor features, is unlikely at this point of the development. Same for the eject button for external drives on iPadOS.

I guess at this point all we can do is to look forward iOS 18, and hope that the few major releases of iOS 17 are really focused on bug-fixes and efficiency.
 
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Abthevolfan92 said:
I know it's taken a while but I highly doubt we see any major features in 17.5 beta 1
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From a earlier post of mine in this same thread
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Some possible iOS 17.5 rumors from geeky gadget
  • iOS 17.5 is set to introduce a Game Mode, specifically tailored to the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max models
  • SharePlay, a feature that initially made a brief appearance before being pulled back, is poised for a return in iOS 17.5. This update aims to broaden the feature’s capabilities, allowing users to share control over music not just in their cars but extending it to the HomePod and Apple TV.
  • A new feature will enable users to effortlessly transfer playlists and music from other services directly into Apple Music.
  • iOS 17.5 plans to bring back the stopwatch live activity feature for both Dynamic Island and the lock screen. This feature, which had a brief stint in a previous beta version.
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There is likely more possibilities now. Tuesday getting closer.
 
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From a earlier post of mine in this same thread
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Some possible iOS 17.5 rumors from geeky gadget
  • iOS 17.5 is set to introduce a Game Mode, specifically tailored to the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max models
  • SharePlay, a feature that initially made a brief appearance before being pulled back, is poised for a return in iOS 17.5. This update aims to broaden the feature’s capabilities, allowing users to share control over music not just in their cars but extending it to the HomePod and Apple TV.
  • A new feature will enable users to effortlessly transfer playlists and music from other services directly into Apple Music.
  • iOS 17.5 plans to bring back the stopwatch live activity feature for both Dynamic Island and the lock screen. This feature, which had a brief stint in a previous beta version.
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There is likely more possibilities now. Tuesday getting closer.
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I agree, I don’t think we’ll be getting huge features, but I do think we could get some of the ones you outlined. And I wonder if they may expand the functionality of AirPlay Receiver given the changes to SharePlay you’re talking about. Hopefully we see new betas next Tuesday.
 
Kal Madda said:
The EU didn’t decide on a lot of details regarding the DMA until last minute. Case in point, they only decided about a month before the deadline for the DMA whether or not they would require an overhaul of iMessage. This is why Apple had to have several meetings with the EU to get clarification on the details, because they were woefully absent with the DMA until the last minute. So it isn’t Apple’s fault. Sure, Apple knew some nebulous, evolving, and ill-defined regulation would come into effect in a year, but how is that at all helpful? They had little to no actual hard details on many different aspects of the requirements until shortly before they came into effect. So it would seem it’s the EU’s fault for A. drafting this ridiculous legislation and passing down these silly edicts they should have no business creating in the first place if they were operating within the proper scope of government authority (I’m an American Conservative, not a socialist), and B. For not even being clear on what their requirements would be until the last minute on many aspects of the DMA. It goes without saying you’re free to disagree, but from my perspective, this was clear government overreach akin to government telling McDonalds it needs to sell Pizza or such (the DMA dictates that private businesses must offer particular services), and beyond it being a legislation the government shouldn’t be drafting in the first place, they gave Apple little detail on how it would apply until last minute. So I blame the EU. The EU should mind their own business and not try to meddle with private businesses and forcing them to provide products or services that they don’t want to, and use up precious development resources to implement. I believe this meddling is responsible for the delays we’re experiencing with new betas for iOS 17.5.
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In mid-2022, the final text of the DMA was approved and published, specifying what the law does and does not do. Once approved, that and any law is not modified or negotiated with anyone, unless the courts detect some legal anomaly, which to date has not happened. In September 2023, after having appointed the guardian companies and listening to their allegations, it names the seven companies that they consider must comply with the law: Apple, ByteDance, Meta, Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft. Of these companies, Apple, ByteDance and Meta challenged this decision before the General Court of the European Union, while the other three agree. At the same time, Apple and Microsoft opened disputes over some services, which they wanted to leave outside the application of the law:

Microsoft: Bing, Edge and Microsoft Advertising
Apple: iMessage

And that's where Apple has been wasting its time in recent months, trying to leave iMessage out of the application of the law, not negotiating anything with the EU, but sending resources to various organizations and praying that they agree with it while they didn't. nothing. Furthermore, it seems that until iOS 18 they are not going to move on this issue. The rest of the features that arrived in 17.4, Apple has known for some time that it had to do them, since the law was published, because this law states that a company has to comply to be considered a guardian. Apple knew it, but preferred to be Apple and leave everything until the last minute.
Finally, in other regions, the US among them, there are also complaints and legislation in this regard. I think it's time for the iPhone to truly belong to the user who buys it, and not some kind of phone that Apple rents to you and tells you as if it were your mother what is best for you.
 
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drak22 said:
In mid-2022, the final text of the DMA was approved and published, specifying what the law does and does not do. Once approved, that and any law is not modified or negotiated with anyone, unless the courts detect some legal anomaly, which to date has not happened. In September 2023, after having appointed the guardian companies and listening to their allegations, it names the seven companies that they consider must comply with the law: Apple, ByteDance, Meta, Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft. Of these companies, Apple, ByteDance and Meta challenged this decision before the General Court of the European Union, while the other three agree. At the same time, Apple and Microsoft opened disputes over some services, which they wanted to leave outside the application of the law:

Microsoft: Bing, Edge and Microsoft Advertising
Apple: iMessage

And that's where Apple has been wasting its time in recent months, trying to leave iMessage out of the application of the law, not negotiating anything with the EU, but sending resources to various organizations and praying that they agree with it while they didn't. nothing. Furthermore, it seems that until iOS 18 they are not going to move on this issue. The rest of the features that arrived in 17.4, Apple has known for some time that it had to do them, since the law was published, because this law states that a company has to comply to be considered a guardian. Apple knew it, but preferred to be Apple and leave everything until the last minute.
Finally, in other regions, the US among them, there are also complaints and legislation in this regard. I think it's time for the iPhone to truly belong to the user who buys it, and not some kind of phone that Apple rents to you and tells you as if it were your mother what is best for you.
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For starters, even if we assume that Apple knew everything that would be required well in advance (they didn’t as in the case of iMessage), that doesn’t change the fact that they’re now having to do extra to make sure that they close security holes as they’re discovered now that this system is out in the wild in the EU. The changes they’ve been forced to make open up serious security risks, so it requires extra resources to stay on top of that. Also, the EU (and all governments for that matter) should mind their own business rather than trying to hand down silly edicts to private businesses forcing them to provide products or services that they don’t want to. As an American Conservative, that’s outside of the proper jurisdiction of government authority. Let the free market work. Consumers aren’t stupid, and if they think app sideloading is so important to them, then they can always choose to go with a platform that supports that. If they prefer the “walled garden” and the benefits that Apple’s system provides, then they can choose to go with that. It’s really that simple. Government intervening to attempt to make all choices essentially the same isn’t a win for consumers and their choices. It’s akin to the government requiring McDonalds to sell pizza in the name of “consumer choice”. Governments and their faux concern about “consumer choice” is an absolute load of rubbish. All governments care about is themselves and their own power… That’s at least my opinion, and you aren’t going to convince me otherwise.
 
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Kal Madda said:
For starters, even if we assume that Apple knew everything that would be required well in advance (they didn’t as in the case of iMessage), that doesn’t change the fact that they’re now having to do extra to make sure that they close security holes as they’re discovered now that this system is out in the wild in the EU. The changes they’ve been forced to make open up serious security risks, so it requires extra resources to stay on top of that. Also, the EU (and all governments for that matter) should mind their own business rather than trying to hand down silly edicts to private businesses forcing them to provide products or services that they don’t want to. As an American Conservative, that’s outside of the proper jurisdiction of government authority. Let the free market work. Consumers aren’t stupid, and if they think app sideloading is so important to them, then they can always choose to go with a platform that supports that. If they prefer the “walled garden” and the benefits that Apple’s system provides, then they can choose to go with that. It’s really that simple. Government intervening to attempt to make all choices essentially the same isn’t a win for consumers and their choices. It’s akin to the government requiring McDonalds to sell pizza in the name of “consumer choice”. Governments and their faux concern about “consumer choice” is an absolute load of rubbish. All governments care about is themselves and their own power… That’s at least my opinion, and you aren’t going to convince me otherwise.
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Laws are always written with ambiguous language. That’s why even lawyers never agree on what a law really says or means.
 
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drak22 said:
In mid-2022, the final text of the DMA was approved and published, specifying what the law does and does not do. Once approved, that and any law is not modified or negotiated with anyone, unless the courts detect some legal anomaly, which to date has not happened. In September 2023, after having appointed the guardian companies and listening to their allegations, it names the seven companies that they consider must comply with the law: Apple, ByteDance, Meta, Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft. Of these companies, Apple, ByteDance and Meta challenged this decision before the General Court of the European Union, while the other three agree. At the same time, Apple and Microsoft opened disputes over some services, which they wanted to leave outside the application of the law:

Microsoft: Bing, Edge and Microsoft Advertising
Apple: iMessage

And that's where Apple has been wasting its time in recent months, trying to leave iMessage out of the application of the law, not negotiating anything with the EU, but sending resources to various organizations and praying that they agree with it while they didn't. nothing. Furthermore, it seems that until iOS 18 they are not going to move on this issue. The rest of the features that arrived in 17.4, Apple has known for some time that it had to do them, since the law was published, because this law states that a company has to comply to be considered a guardian. Apple knew it, but preferred to be Apple and leave everything until the last minute.
Finally, in other regions, the US among them, there are also complaints and legislation in this regard. I think it's time for the iPhone to truly belong to the user who buys it, and not some kind of phone that Apple rents to you and tells you as if it were your mother what is best for you.
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After a law is signed, there is time necessary to prepare implementation regulations which typically have a comment period before they go into place.
 
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iOS 17.5 beta 1 expected imminently after three-week beta lull - 9to5Mac

Apple will soon release iOS 17.5 with build number 21F5048f, according to information shared on social media by a private...
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There’s no word on what’s coming as part of iOS 17.5. Apple announced that it has more changes planned for iPhone users in the EU as part of its efforts to comply with the Digital Markets Act. The big change here is that developers will be able to offer their apps for download directly from their website. Apple says that this feature will launch sometime this spring, suggesting it will be included in iOS 17.5.
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So there another likely expected feature of 17.5.
 
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gwhizkids said:
Not really. There’s a successor version out (17.4.1) and it addressed serious security issues. Of course Apple doesn’t want anyone reverting.
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Oh, that makes sense. Last night, for whatever reason, I thought that he was talking about 17.4.1, and I was really surprised seeing as it’s the current version.
 
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