iOS 18 Speculation Thread

[Realityck]

Yeah. Not terribly surprising. Probably through 18.4.

In the meanwhile it's enough to learn how to use the changes to the UI and feature set that iOS 18 brings. Anyone that isn't satisfied with that, well try using multiple new WWDC OS versions and testing the changes all at the same time. 😉

 

[DCohen726]

When do we expect beta 2? I forget, will it be a 2 week cycle?

Probably 2 week cycle, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see changes from traditional schedule to allow for AI…

Let’s just pretend my original post stopped there

 

[dannyyankou]

Sometimes we wait 3 weeks between beta 1 and beta 2 btw

 

[Realityck]

Probably 2 week cycle, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see changes from traditional schedule to allow for AI. Like maybe dev beta 3 will be the first public beta instead of dev beta 2 like it has been. Or possibly this is a 3 week cycle.

I’m not ruling out public beta before the US 4th of July holiday but considering the highest demand in years and need to make sure it’s stable… I’d a little surprised

AI won't factor in as a delaying agent with seeds. AI is already destined to be a gradual multiple iOS 18 increment rollout as Apple gets parts of it working.

Beta 2 is usually 16 or 17 days. 15 days would be Tuesday June 25. It's more commonplace to see beta 3 (usually 2 weeks after beta 2) be the basis for the first PB, but occasionally it comes out end of June with the beta 2.

 

[Realityck]

Sometimes we wait 3 weeks between beta 1 and beta 2 btw

iOS Version History Chart

iOS version history chart

www.thinkybits.com

As you can see on the chart sometimes there are long delays indeed, but its usually with beta 2, beta 3, or beta 4 sometimes. Look at the XX.0 releases number of days. 17.0 beta 3 was 20 days, 16.0 beta 3 was 21 days, 15.0 beta 2 was 20 days. 😉

 

[DCohen726]

AI won't factor in as a delaying agent with seeds. AI is already destined to be a gradual multiple iOS 18 increment rollout as Apple gets parts of it working.

Beta 2 is usually 16 or 17 days. 15 days would be Tuesday June 25. It's more commonplace to see beta 3 (usually 2 weeks after beta 2) be the basis for the first PB, but occasionally it comes out end of June with the beta 2.

Wow.. I got my history wrong. I swore it was dev beta 2 last year… maybe with 16? I def remember one of beta 2 being public one

 

[Realityck]

Wow.. I got my history wrong. I swore it was dev beta 2 last year… maybe with 16? I def remember one of beta 2 being public one

When I search for macrumors articles on the web with first xx.0 public beta they will show up for you. 15.0 uses the beta 2 for PB release. 🙂

Apple Releases First Public Betas of iOS 17 and iPadOS 17

Apple today seeded the first betas of iOS 17 and iPadOS 17 to public beta testers, opening up the new software to the general public for the first time since the Worldwide Developers Conference in June. Developers have had three betas so far, and the first public beta offers the same content as...

www.macrumors.com

Apple Seeds First Public Betas of iOS 16 and iPadOS 16

Apple today seeded the first betas of iOS 16 and iPadOS 16 to public beta testers, opening up the iOS 16 beta testing process to the general public for the first time since the Worldwide Developers Conference. Developers have already had three betas, and the first public beta coincides with the...

www.macrumors.com

When Will the iOS 15 Public Beta Be Released? [Update: Available Now]

Update June 30: The first public betas of iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 are now available to download. Public beta programs for watchOS 8 and tvOS 15 are also rolling out, but Apple has yet to release a public beta for macOS Monterey. Announced in June at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, iOS 15...

www.macrumors.com

 

[gwhizkids]

AI won't factor in as a delaying agent with seeds. AI is already destined to be a gradual multiple iOS 18 increment rollout as Apple gets parts of it working.

Beta 2 is usually 16 or 17 days. 15 days would be Tuesday June 25. It's more commonplace to see beta 3 (usually 2 weeks after beta 2) be the basis for the first PB, but occasionally it comes out end of June with the beta 2.

We don't have any idea how the rollout of the Apple Intelligence features will figure in the betas. None.

Adding to the uncertainty is that WWDC was held a week later than its normal positioning this year. Will that mean a normally timed second beta (after 15 or 16 days)? A later second beta (skipping over July 4th week here in the US)? None of these options would surprise me.

The one thing that is 100% certain is that Apple needs to have new iPhones on sale prior to the beginning of their annual big quarter (10/1 - 12/31). So everything works back from that.

If I had to guess, I would say that we will get beta 2 on Wednesday next week (June 26). That will not be the version that becomes the public beta. That will occur with beta 3, which will likely come on July 9 (for developers) and July 11 (for the public). There will be no Apple Intelligence features in those betas.

If Apple is going to introduce any Apple Intelligence features for the iOS 18 launch (as teased by Mark Gurman), it will be the summarization/writing improvement type features. I suspect that we might start seeing those in DP 4 in mid-to-late July. But I also would not be terribly surprised to see those slip into 18.1/18.2 either, meaning later in the year. That would put more Apple Intelligence capable phones in the hands of consumers, softening the blow somewhat regarding the unavailability of these features for earlier phones.

 

[dannyyankou]

iOS Version History Chart

iOS version history chart

www.thinkybits.com

As you can see on the chart sometimes there are long delays indeed, but it's usually with beta 2, beta 3, or beta 4 sometimes. Look at the XX.0 releases number of days. 17.0 beta 3 was 20 days, 16.0 beta 3 was 21 days, 15.0 beta 2 was 20 days. 😉

Ok, but because of the later WWDC this year I think there's a good chance it comes after the July 4 holiday.

Edit: Whoops, I forgot what week it was. So never mind, July 4 shouldn't have any effect.

 

[Realityck]

We don't have any idea how the rollout of the Apple Intelligence features will figure in the betas. None.

Adding to the uncertainty is that WWDC was held a week later than its normal positioning this year. Will that mean a normally timed second beta (after 15 or 16 days)? A later second beta (skipping over July 4th week here in the US)? None of these options would surprise me.

The one thing that is 100% certain is that Apple needs to have new iPhones on sale prior to the beginning of their annual big quarter (10/1 - 12/31). So everything works back from that.

If I had to guess, I would say that we will get beta 2 on Wednesday next week (June 26). That will not be the version that becomes the public beta. That will occur with beta 3, which will likely come on July 9 (for developers) and July 11 (for the public). There will be no Apple Intelligence features in those betas.

If Apple is going to introduce any Apple Intelligence features for the iOS 18 launch (as teased by Mark Gurman), it will be the summarization/writing improvement type features. I suspect that we might start seeing those in DP 4 in mid-to-late July. But I also would not be terribly surprised to see those slip into 18.1/18.2 either, meaning later in the year. That would put more Apple Intelligence capable phones in the hands of consumers, softening the blow somewhat regarding the unavailability of these features for earlier phones.

How can we, Apple has no history of tacking something like this prior, except what they accomplished via machine learning.
Compared to all the previous difficult adaptions/additional of OS/app functionality AI is more like a long term transition of hardware. Thats why I think that Apple can't hold up the iOS 18.x release of seeds just because some parts of AI aren't usable. It be this long game of this can be enabled, but might be disabled if it isn't ready for consumers by the time a beta cycle concludes goes public. Some AI features could even not make it into this whole next year.

Makes for a lot of future speculation with iOS 18 doesn't it? 😉😎

 

[bigjnyc]

Probably 2 week cycle, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see changes from traditional schedule to allow for AI…

Let’s just pretend my original post stopped there

I feel like this is going to be the quirkiest and most adventurous iOS speculation thread ever.

 

[gwhizkids]

How can we, Apple has no history of tacking something like this prior, except what they accomplished via machine learning.
Compared to all the previous difficult adaptions/additional of OS/app functionality AI is more like a long term transition of hardware. Thats why I think that Apple can't hold up the iOS 18.x release of seeds just because some parts of AI aren't usable. It be this long game of this can be enabled, but might be disabled if it isn't ready for consumers by the time a beta cycle concludes goes public. Some AI features could even not make it into this whole next year.

Makes for a lot of future speculation with iOS 18 doesn't it? 😉😎

Yes, it does!

My guess is that they have the main features in “modules”. If the module is ready to go, they’ll include it in 18.1. If it’s not, it goes into 18.2. And we’ll never be the wiser as to what the original intent was.

 

[fabric17]

next developer beta tomorrow? or next week?

 

[hovscorpion12]

next developer beta tomorrow? or next week?

I want to say next week. Keep to a two week schedule. Beta 3 in July comes with public version.

 

[Jkeith85]

Oooh! You work for Apple and are privy to the entire announcement? Cool!!!! Do tell!

They aren’t going to make any wow features.

It’s pretty obvious

 

[gwhizkids]

They aren’t going to make any wow features.

It’s pretty obvious

Um…ok.

 

[Jkeith85]

Um…ok.

Name what they will add that’s wow

 

[gwhizkids]

Name what they will add that’s wow

You are of course entitled to your own opinion. But that opinion is shared by very few.

 

[john991]

Let’s hope beta 2 drops Tuesday. 😁

 

[Kal Madda]

I’m really excited about Apple’s AI integration. I think it will revolutionize the experience, especially on iPadOS where you’ll be able to easily pull in data from the background, at least when the things they demoed are up and working. Obviously I think this will be just as amazing on the iPhone and Mac, but for me, the iPad is where I’m really interested in using this. I recently rewatched through the Apple Intelligence announcement from the keynote, and one thing that I caught this time is that they implied that Apple Intelligence will include additional features and functions they didn’t announce. If I’m understanding that correctly, this could be a very interesting speculation thread, because there’s more potential for new features that weren’t mentioned. Already running the beta for iPadOS 18, I’ve discovered a few that weren’t mentioned, such as a “Keep Downloaded” option for iCloud Drive files in the Files app. This also happened last year with 17, many features went unannounced and just were discovered in 17. It will be really interesting to keep an eye out during the beta cycle. 👍🏻

 

[Kal Madda]

Since iPadOS 18 now has a SharePlay feature which allows me to remotely control someone else’s iPad (I believe iPhone as well), I wonder if we’ll get an AirPlay Receiver that actually works with more than just the Vision Pro. It’s going to be really weird if here I can mirror someone else’s display on my own, and even control it, but then I can’t even mirror my own iPhone’s display to my iPad. Maybe they’re holding off to introduce the iPhone Mirroring feature macOS just got onto iPadOS? That does seem odd that that’s a Mac-exclusive feature. That would be so useful for the iPad. Oh well, maybe they’ll incorporate the iPhone Mirroring feature into a later update for iPadOS 18, or maybe iPadOS 19…

 

[Jkeith85]

You are of course entitled to your own opinion. But that opinion is shared by very few.

For the average user, the features won’t be useful.

 

[Kal Madda]

For the average user, the features won’t be useful.

I don’t think it’s advisable to make such broad sweeping claims and generalizations. I don’t think everyone will find them useful, but I think many average users will find it very useful.

 

[circlel05]

I agree, most features won’t be all that useful to the “average user”. Sure there will be more advanced users that will make use of them. I bought into Samsungs marketing hype with the S24 Ultra. The photo stuff was useful, but as an average user I didn’t find much benefit for the rest of the features. As it evolves I’m fairly certain more people will make use of it.

 

[Realityck]

I don’t think it’s advisable to make such broad sweeping claims and generalizations. I don’t think everyone will find them useful, but I think many average users will find it very useful.

One could debate if the casual user benefits at all from AI beyond Web Surfing, streaming, emailing, social media, and light application with current machine language AI implementation?

Does someone need generated content, summaries of recommended web content as examples. Does all the features iOS/IpadOS 18 added initially short cheat the majority of iPhone or iPad community With a slow Apple Intelligence roll out?

Phones are getting packed with AI features. But how helpful are they?

If your phone isn’t full of AI-powered tools yet, your next one almost certainly will be. Here’s what they can do for you.

www.washingtonpost.com

Infographic: How Smartphone Users Benefit From Artificial Intelligence

This chart shows how many smartphone users are aware of/using applications featuring machine learning.

www.statista.com

So it’s way premature to render verdicts against what Apple, Google, and MS achieve in convincing casual users, including gamers.