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iOS 18 Speculation Thread

Ludatyk said:
I like to form my own opinion as well… I was only pointed out that a very popular content creator mentioned that Samsung is better, because @bigjnyc made it seem as if it was some random iPhone hater with these thoughts.

I don’t think it’s that difficult to test… take a photo on each device and see how they perform with removing some object/person out of it.

Anywho, I’m hoping we see the beta today… I’ve been waiting to see the slightly revised mail app on the iPad.
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@bigjnyc was just saying that that photo could have been put together by an iPhone hater cherry-picking a bad comparison to validate their preconceived conclusion. I agree that scenario is a possibility. I don’t think he was saying that you would have to be an iPhone hater in order to think Samsung’s is better, just pointing out the possibility that that was the motivation and bias behind the person who did this.

It is difficult to test because both can have varying results even with the exact same photo. As I said, a lot of factors can affect the results. Just comparing it the way you are talking about can lead to varying results, even with the same photo being used. One time Apple’s could get better results, and another Samsung’s could. Because there’s so much variation in results that can be achieved with these tools, it’s hard to have a true and fair comparison from just one photo…

Yeah, I’m hoping we’ll see the beta today! Only about a half hour possibly! 👍🏻
 
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It’s interesting. Since 2020, they’ve either released a x.4 beta the same week as x.3, or much later (24 days for 16.4 and 57 days for 13.4).

This is telling. If it’s ready, they release it ASAP. But if there’s something that’s holding it back that they need to work on before people get their hands on it, they will take their time. I think that’s exactly what’s happening.
 
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The day is still not over yet. Sometimes betas drop later in the day. Though I will admit it becomes less likely the later it is for today.
 
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Sadly at this point it’s probably most likely coming next week. I don’t get why they’re dragging their feet to get the betas out. Give it to us warts and all so we can help make it great!!!
 
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Kal Madda said:
@bigjnyc was just saying that that photo could have been put together by an iPhone hater cherry-picking a bad comparison to validate their preconceived conclusion. I agree that scenario is a possibility. I don’t think he was saying that you would have to be an iPhone hater in order to think Samsung’s is better, just pointing out the possibility that that was the motivation and bias behind the person who did this.
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I completely understand.

Ultimately, the issue at hand is whether or not Samsung does the feature better than Apple. And my response was that some well known Youtuber thought the same, indicating that it's not something outlandish...

It is difficult to test because both can have varying results even with the exact same photo. As I said, a lot of factors can affect the results. Just comparing it the way you are talking about can lead to varying results, even with the same photo being used. One time Apple’s could get better results, and another Samsung’s could. Because there’s so much variation in results that can be achieved with these tools, it’s hard to have a true and fair comparison from just one photo…
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I don't think you read what I expressed initially... I mentioned cherry picking doesn't make one better than the other. I stated consistency. And the Youtuber that you haven't heard of... took multiple photos and decided that Samsung was better at the feature.
 
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dannyyankou said:
It’s interesting. Since 2020, they’ve either released a x.4 beta the same week as x.3, or much later (24 days for 16.4 and 57 days for 13.4).

This is telling. If it’s ready, they release it ASAP. But if there’s something that’s holding it back that they need to work on before people get their hands on it, they will take their time. I think that’s exactly what’s happening.
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Apple has had a timeline from the beginning of iOS 18. This isn't about not being ready, it's the roadmap they set out from the beginning.
 
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Ludatyk said:
I completely understand.

Ultimately, the issue at hand is whether or not Samsung does the feature better than Apple. And my response was that some well known Youtuber thought the same, indicating that it's not something outlandish...

I don't think you read what I expressed initially... I mentioned cherry picking doesn't make one better than the other. I stated consistency. And the Youtuber that you haven't heard of... took multiple photos and decided that Samsung was better at the feature.
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I don’t think anyone, including @bigjnyc, was saying that it’s outlandish to be of the opinion that Samsung’s version of the feature is better. I do think we have stated disagreement with that conclusion (I at least think Apple’s implementation is better personally, but totally respect others with a different opinion), and that the guy who set up this particular comparison could be cherry-picking, which we both agree would not result in a good comparison or test.

Again, I am not saying that it’s outlandish to be of the opinion that Samsung’s version is better. I totally respect other’s opinions. But they are simply that: opinions. That is mainly the point I am trying to make. Some well-known YouTuber could go and say that Android is better than iOS based on several tasks they perform on it or something. But that doesn’t mean that that is objectively the case. It just means that that is their personal opinion. That’s all I’m trying to say. Again, I’m glad that some people really like and enjoy Android, and I respect that, I am just not one of those people. 👍🏻
 
It's not surprising that this may be delayed compared to a typical beta. There are huge financial/stock implications surrounding Apple finally unveiling their "smarter Siri" upgrade. Anything with "AI" attached to it is undergoing a huge level of scrutiny and comparison these days. Of course, people in this thread (mostly) understand it's a beta and not a finished product, but if they release it and it's terrible, there are gonna be YouTube vids, blog posts, Reddit threads, etc. all talking about how bad Apple AI is.

That's all to say: normally, there aren't such huge contextual implications surrounding a mid-cycle beta. To that end, they are incentivized to make this Beta 1 a bit more polished, which may take more time.
 
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ATLAS-2 said:
It's not surprising that this may be delayed compared to a typical beta. There are huge financial/stock implications surrounding Apple finally unveiling their "smarter Siri" upgrade. Anything with "AI" attached to it is undergoing a huge level of scrutiny and comparison these days. Of course, people in this thread (mostly) understand it's a beta and not a finished product, but if they release it and it's terrible, there are gonna be YouTube vids, blog posts, Reddit threads, etc. all talking about how bad Apple AI is.

That's all to say: normally, there aren't such huge contextual implications surrounding a mid-cycle beta. To that end, they are incentivized to make this Beta 1 a bit more polished, which may take more time.
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But the vast majority of iPhones users will never hear any of it.
 
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Roctavious said:
But the vast majority of iPhones users will never hear any of it.
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Doesn't matter. The tech world is so hot on AI right now that even a few unfavorable blog posts or YouTube videos from decently popular outlets could ding Apple's stock. That said, I don't think it would tank the company or anything-- just trying to provide an additional perspective regarding why this beta might not come as soon as folks anticipate. There's likely pressure from "above" at Apple to make sure this first beta is a good showing, compared to a typical boring mid-cycle beta.
 
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