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iOS 18 Speculation Thread
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Yep the day isn’t over, one beta came around 10pm in the evening in July, so keep your faith up! And if not, tomorrow comes faster than you can imagine 😉
So fast! It will be here with all kinds of surprises. Genmoji and Image Playground for @Ansath 😂, and all the battery drain issues and keyboard lag fixes for the rest of us. 🥳
Got them both crossed 🤞🤞, and my tinfoil hat on too.
Still 2 hrs left for a potential beta drop ! I will reload the settings app in 2 hrs
Gotcha. I was confused a bit because the way their posts are worded makes it seem very matter-of-fact like they know for sure and not speculation or opinion…. Thought perhaps I had missed something
Will the beta be for both the public and developer version? I'm on the developer version now, and might try the public version of its possible
For 18.0? It will be the developer beta followed a few hours later by the public beta. But there is no point in switching between them because they’ll be identical.
For 18.1, presumably it will be only the developer beta as there has not been a public beta released as yet.
Thanks a lot 🙂. Didn't get any of the AI tools on Norway, although I tried switching to US location. My battery is pretty interesting though, so looking forward to try the new beta 🙂
So I am just curious what features of Gemini put any pressure on Apple? Seems the media that covered the event were not extremely impressed. The photo stuff is about it, nothing there is something to push Apple to release Genmoji and Image Playground or even AI Siri any sooner.
In your opinion, that is. I disagree with you.
Plus we still don’t definitively know what else is coming with 18.1. Could be more than we currently have in beta 2.
Cool? I think I was quoting and asking @gwhizkids his opinion since he brought it.
Last time I checked this the iOS 18 speculation thread, not the iOS 18 Apple confirmed thread. I am under the assumption everything here is someone's opinion as you should as well.
Now that there is some clarification for you, you can disagree as you like. Everyone here has opinions. I for one don't think Google is doing anything amazing. Are they ahead in AI, but they have been ahead of Apple in features for years. It's about making it better for Apple. So rushing now seems rather pointless. They aren't releasing the iPhone 16s with AI, so rushing now only creates a worse product down the road if they are use AI as the main selling point of the 16s.
It’s a public forum, so others can chip in and disagree with you, it wasn’t a private chat.
Additionally, you have stated matter of factly that genmoji & image playground are not coming in 18.1, rather than speculatively stating it - which was why I made a point of picking you up on it.
Additionally, you know Apple has been working on AI for at least a couple of years, so they’re not ‘rushing’ it. The way you talk about it, you’d think they only started on it 3 months ago. 🫠
I think you are misunderstanding me: Of course, Apple didn't start jumping up and down following last week's Pixel event. What I am saying is that it’s been obvious for a while now that Apple is not at the vanguard of the development of AI tools on phones. The Pixel event just served to reinforce that idea. Now, not being at the forefront of a new technology may not be objectively a bad thing, as Apple usually takes features developed first on other platforms and makes them uniquely Apple, frequently more successfully than the originator. But here, Wall Street has gotten involved and has decided that AI is the "next big thing" and that it would punish companies that were not embracing it sufficiently. Apple was one such company until June.
WWDC gave Apple some breathing room. But it has to show progress on getting these features out to market, or Wall Street will turn up the heat again. Given that OpenAI has released ChatGPT 4o and Google has released these new Pixel/Gemini features, Apple is going to really be feeling it, and they know they need to play catch-up.
Various reports and ex-employees pretty much confirmed that AI is a kneejerk reaction by Apple, as evident by the lackluster launch scope. They got caught cold by ChatGPT and co. and have been scrambling to produce something that competes.
Anyone who believes this thing has been in the works for half a decade, let alone more than 1-2 years is delusional and will be severely disappointed come public launch. They’re playing catch-up as we speak, 2/3 of the things shown are pretty much proof of concept tier functionality.
Anyone can disagree with whoever they like. I didn't suggest it wasn't a public forum. Moving on.
How I stated it doesn't change the fact that it's an opinion. Come on, you clearly know that. I am guessing just like you and the rest of the people here. Saying "mark my words" doesn't make it fact. Come back and tell me I am wrong if it happens, I have been wrong plenty of times. I just have a strong guess nothing else major is coming to iOS 18.1 before full release.
Absolutely never ever said Apple just started working on AI. Clear if Apple thought Genmoji and Image Playground, and the AI Siri were ready they would have put them on the 18.1 release. Every reputable source has said Apple is behind on the release of their AI, and it was getting push back. So clearly I am not off base is saying that. @gwhizkids stated that he though now Apple would be under a little pressure to speed things up because of Googles event. I am simply saying I don't think Apple can do that nor should do that.
The thing about this discussion of catch up is…when has apple technically been ahead of the curve with tech trends? and why do people insist on having the same conversation over and over for…decades. they follow a cautious monitoring approach almost always. The vision pro might violate that rule in some ways but it clearly was priced to serve as a high end concept, not for the mass consumption market.
The Gemini demo…in what world am I going to be going back and forth with an AI bot to search for travel ideas or trips? Maybe typed out so I can make notes, but their demos really just seem to serve as “demos.“ Apple’s seem “lackluster“ because they are demonstrating some very basic evolutions of what we didn’t refer to as AI before but was clearly AI, like predictive text, mail summarization, etc. But you know what? they’re small adjustments that seem to be useful without forcefeeding excess AI front and center.
The Gemini demo…in what world am I going to be going back and forth with an AI bot to search for travel ideas or trips? Maybe typed out so I can make notes, but their demos really just seem to serve as “demos.“ Apple’s seem “lackluster“ because they are demonstrating some very basic evolutions of what we didn’t refer to as AI before but was clearly AI, like predictive text, mail summarization, etc. But you know what? they’re small adjustments that seem to be useful without forcefeeding excess AI front and center.
Ok, that is fair enough. I took it as you saying because of what Google put on stage, Apple is gonna have to scramble with AI. I totally agree the heat is on Apple. It's been there. I just dont think Googles event makes Apples AI come out any faster.
Yep this is what I am saying. Apple isn't leading the way in AI, and they are going to keep playing catch up on AI.
That was my original point, the demo of Googles did nothing to push anyone.
Clearly at the WWDC announcing iOS 18 Apple mentioned this:
Apple Intelligence
Apple Intelligence is the personal intelligence system that puts powerful generative models right at the core of your iPhone, iPad, and Mac. It powers incredible new features to help people communicate, work, and express themselves.Writing Tools are available system-wide, and help users rewrite, proofread, and summarize text.
The Image Playground API delivers an easy-to-use experience where people can create fun, playful images right in your app. Genmoji bring fun new ways to communicate by providing the ability to create an emoji for any occasion.
And Siri will be able to access text displayed in your app, and take hundreds of new actions in and across apps using the App Intents you make available.
So we will see image playground and Genmoji in 18.1… Mostly likely in the near future betas.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Apple was showing both during the WWDC…
One simply has to look on the dev portal to see. 😁
This is exactly right. Apple almost never does anything first; they just do it better (and usually best). They don't go for "sexy" and "sizzle"; they make stuff that makes their users' lives easier. Having a robust development community affords them the ability to do that. Anything Apple doesn't build into the OS can be supplied by developers.
Regarding Gemini and the Pixel: I don't want (and I suspect 90% of users don't want) the ability to insert themselves into a group photo. Might that be useful once in a while? Sure, maybe once every 3-5 years. Google is famous for throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. And even what sticks (which is not much, given the impressive list of deprecated Google apps and features) slowly slides off the wall with time.
That said, and as I have said throughout this thread, sometimes the financial markets get involved and decide what is best. They are wrong more than they're right. But they have to be heeded. And in this case, Apple can't afford to get too far behind, feature-wise, as this is such a resource-intensive game that it would be hard to catch up.