iOS 9.0 Beta 4 Bug Fixes and Changes

[mizxco]

Bingo. How could an iPad vibrate if it can't?

I think it is a bug though.
Most users would prefer the tone, while driving etc.

Edit: I stand corrected. Hey Siri produces the tone, maybe it is intentional.

 

[lagwagon]

I think it is a bug though.
Most users would prefer the tone, while driving etc.

It's not a bug though. Plus if you're in a car, you're probably plugged in and on Bluetooth, just use Hey Siri and you get the audio beep (since more likely if you're needing to use hey Siri its not in your hand.)

 

[luke lau]

Developers can support a beta by using hacks and other tricks but they cannot suport a beta that had new API's as they can't upload if they're using a new XCode version that goes with the new OS release. That's the difference.

Basically, no new OS features can be supported before a public release (non-beta) because the beta version of XCode won't upload.

You can use new OS features as long as you weakly link against new API classes when building with the newest SDK, and there are ways of getting the new SDK to run on an old version of Xcode

 

[tosbsas]

Any word if notifications from the Outlook iOS app work again?

Nope

 

[mizxco]

Is everyone's spotlight still slow and unresponsive?
Opposite of Safari really..

It's not a bug though. Plus if you're in a car, you're probably plugged in and on Bluetooth

Not everyone drives their dream car, it should still be an option IMO.

 

[TheKrs1]

Siri doesn't beep when you prompt it.

Yeah, something that has been going on (at least for some devices and/or some cases) in at least the last beta as well.

I am getting the vibration when siri is activated. Instagram & snapchat videos working. Camera icon on lock screen present. Still looking for everyone else's issues reported.

It's an iOS 9 feature. If the device is on silent mode, it will only vibrate. If it's on loud, then it functions as before.

[iPhone only, as far as I know]

 

[C DM]

It's an iOS 9 feature. If the device is on silent mode, it will only vibrate. If it's on loud, then it functions as before.

[iPhone only, as far as I know]

Seems like even without silent mode it will not make a sound with an iPhone (unless headphones or Bluetooth or Hey Siri is being used).

 

[lagwagon]

Is everyone's spotlight still slow and unresponsive?
Opposite of Safari really..



Not everyone drives their dream car, it should still be an option IMO.

Well the fact it's illegal to be fussing around with your phone while driving in many places, Apple probably chose to not encourage it by removing the sound when not on headphones or plugged in and using Hey Siri. (Not to mention it's now less obtrusive to surrounding people when out in public.)

 

[Jt69yupper]

It's there for me.

Had to restart the phone twice... Now it's there

 

[The Doctor11]

Downloading now, yes I know I'm late. I'm supper excited about that new handoff in app switcher. The old one just didn't feel right but that new handoff bar is perfect.

 

[mizxco]

Well the fact it's illegal to be fussing around with your phone while driving in many places, Apple probably chose to not encourage it by removing the sound when not on headphones or plugged in and using Hey Siri.

Actually, by removing the sound, it 'motivates' people to look at the screen since they're not sure if Siri is activated..

Think again.

 

[KALLT]

It's not a bug though.

Do you have any proof for this? Given how erratic it currently behaves on various devices, I don’t see much support for your claim. In its current state, it is actually annoying not to hear the sound.

 

[C DM]

Actually, by removing the sound, it 'motivates' people to look at the screen since they're not sure if Siri is activated..

Think again.

But if it's only like that when you are physically activating it by using the home button on the phone, wouldn't you feel the vibration that's there now to know that it's enabled in that case?

 

[C DM]

Do you have any proof for this? Given how erratic it currently behaves on various devices, I don’t see much support for your claim. In its current state, it is actually annoying not to hear the sound.

Erratic in what way?

 

[lagwagon]

Actually, by removing the sound, it 'motivates' people to look at the screen since they're not sure if Siri is activated..

Think again.

Well the fact it's illegal to be fussing around with your phone while driving in many places, Apple probably chose to not encourage it by removing the sound when not on headphones or plugged in and using Hey Siri. (Not to mention it's now less obtrusive to surrounding people when out in public.)

Re read the bold part. When in a car you're supposed to use Hey Siri for hands free. You do not need "your dream car" to have that. Cars have come with USB ports for over a decade now and there's after market stereos as well that do.

That's like saying "I can't afford my dream TV" and complaining your current TV won't let you watch 3d blu rays. You pay for features.

 

[KALLT]

But if it's only like that when you are physically activating it by using the home button on the phone, wouldn't you feel the vibration that's there now to know that it's enabled in that case?

Well, it’s not ‘dinging’ either with Hey Siri. I also don’t have any vibration on my device when I enable Siri, so clearly something must be wrong with Siri’s new interface at this point. If you don’t want to hear the ‘ding’ then you are free to enable silent mode. After all, that short ding won’t be more annoying than Siri’s responses or the fact that you yourself have to speak. I just don’t see a reason for removing it.

 

[mizxco]

But if it's only like that when you are physically activating it by using the home button on the phone, wouldn't you feel the vibration that's there now to know that it's enabled in that case?

Well if you reach for the home button on a phone that's held on the windshield and your car is in motion, a vibrate won't actually feel very significant, and the lack of tone would really encourage you to look at it.

 

[mizxco]

Re read the bold part. When in a car you're supposed to use Hey Siri for hands free. You do not need "your dream car" to have that. Cars have come with USB ports for over a decade now and there's after market stereos as well that do.

That's like saying "I can't afford my dream TV" and complaining your current TV won't let you watch 3d blu rays. You pay for features.

I'm sorry, my car doesn't have USB. Cars you rent at Hertz might not have USB.

I went through 6 cars at Enterprise before finding one with USB/Bluetooth support, and I booked mid sedan class.

Can you think outside of your box?

 

[KALLT]

Erratic in what way?

There is no audible cue in Siri all the time, not when I enter Siri and only sometimes when it completed the query. I’ve tested various queries and the results vary. Also, I don’t have any vibrations when using Siri, unless I turn on silent mode. Apple typically uses vibrations to denote audible cues that are now suppressed, but there are no audible cues in Siri anymore when I press the home button, so why bother leaving the vibration in that case? It just doesn’t make sense, it is not consistent.

 

[C DM]

Well if you reach for the home button on a phone that's held on the windshield and your car is in motion, a vibrate won't actually feel very significant, and the lack of tone would really encourage you to look at it.

Well, you are likely glancing at it anyway since on the windshield so that it's visible. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be good to at least have the option for that sound to be there, but it seems that in situations where they did remove it it might not be as much of an issue.

Well, it’s not ‘dinging’ either with Hey Siri. I also don’t have any vibration on my device when I enable Siri, so clearly something must be wrong with Siri’s new interface at this point. If you don’t want to hear the ‘ding’ then you are free to enable silent mode. After all, that short ding won’t be more annoying than Siri’s responses or the fact that you yourself have to speak. I just don’t see a reason for removing it.

Well, it seems like it works with Hey Siri for most, which sounds like it's still there in that situation (and if it doesn't work for someone then perhaps there's something weird about their setup or some glitch is in play).

 

[C DM]

There is no audible notification in Siri all the time, not when I enter Siri and only sometimes when it completed the query. I’ve tested various queries and the results vary. Also, I don’t have any vibrations when using Siri, unless I turn on silent mode. Apple typically uses vibrations to denote audible cues that are now suppressed, but there are no audible cues in Siri anymore when I press the home button, so why bother leaving the vibration in that case? It just doesn’t make sense, it is not consistent.

Seems like your case is somewhat different that that of others who do have vibration notifications and also sounds with particular usage of Siri.

 

[KALLT]

Seems like your case is somewhat different that that of others who do have vibration notifications and also sounds with particular usage of Siri.

That’s my point. Apple seems to have made some changes there that affects users to a different degree. At this moment we can’t rule anything out, so claiming that it’s working as intended is not honest. I would make the case that removing the audible cue does not add anything, but makes certain use cases less practical. The only scenario where the audible cue could be removed, in my understanding, is when you invoke Siri by hand and without speakers or earphones, but in its current state it seems to stay silent even when using Hey Siri. But then why play the cue when people are pressing the home button while having earphones on? There is no reason why the cue should play in that case, right? Ideally, Apple should suppress the cue when users invoke Siri by hand, regardless of earphones or external speakers, but that isn’t how it works currently.

 

[mizxco]

I can't imagine how stupid you guys would look if the tone came back in GM.

Blindly defending Apple when it's clearly not a good idea.

 

[ZeChild]

Anyone else having a problem with the music app. If I've got iCloud music library turned on the music app won't play anything in my collection it also won't allow me to download the songs either. Tried turning it off and rebooting my iPhone then turning it all back on again but no joy. It'll let me download purchases I've made if I turn off iCloud music library.

 

[C DM]

That’s my point. Apple seems to have made some changes there that affects users to a different degree. At this moment we can’t rule anything out, so claiming that it’s working as intended is not honest. I would make the case that removing the audible cue does not add anything, but makes certain use cases less practical. The only scenario where the audible cue could be removed, in my understanding, is when you invoke Siri by hand and without speakers or earphones, but in its current state it seems to stay silent even when using Hey Siri.

It seems like it's a fair possibility. Sure, perhaps saying that it's certainly by design would be going a bit far at this point without more confirmation to that effect, but it can be said that there's a decent likelihood that all of it or at least a good part of it (in case there might be some bug here or there in the betas) is related to some sort of a new design decision.

That’s my point. Apple seems to have made some changes there that affects users to a different degree. At this moment we can’t rule anything out, so claiming that it’s working as intended is not honest. I would make the case that removing the audible cue does not add anything, but makes certain use cases less practical. The only scenario where the audible cue could be removed, in my understanding, is when you invoke Siri by hand and without speakers or earphones, but in its current state it seems to stay silent even when using Hey Siri. But then why play the cue when people are pressing the home button while having earphones on? There is no reason why the cue should play in that case, right? Ideally, Apple should suppress the cue when users invoke Siri by hand, regardless of earphones or external speakers, but that isn’t how it works currently.

The cue for when headphones or Bluetooth is being used can be there because Siri can be invoked through means other than the home button on the phone (in which case the vibration wouldn't be felt). They could potentially factor in whether or not you are doing it using the home button at that time or not, but perhaps they are just simply going by if headphones or Bluetooth are being used and not further than that. Could be because it's still in beta and still being worked on to some degree, could be because of a bug of some sort, could be because they didn't consider all the specific sub-cases of it all, could be because they considered it all and decided they want it that way. There are possible explanations, we just don't really know which ones would really be the right ones, as we aren't completely certain that it's all truly a redesign vs. some issue (simply that there's a decent change that the design could have been changed in relation to it all).