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philipyoungg

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Mini retina.
Stutters as on all places like 9.2.
Quite noticeable improvement speed on opening apps.
App switcher animation a hair smoother.
Screen less responsive?

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Biggest improvement on this update on mini retina and 5s is:
Camera now open almost instantly compared to 2-3 second delay on 9.2, and apps open faster.
 
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thed0g

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It's not "aren't affected". Newer device are so powerful, that those bad code are overpowered by raw power processing.
Exactly. How can people with 6S and 6S+ even comment on that, if they never ran iOS 8 on it ?

The quality of software engineering gone in continuous updates is evident in how it behaves on previous hardware to compare to.
 

thed0g

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And then the majority of people just want to enjoy their phones and live their lives, not something as petty as analyzing dropped frame rates in X-code stressing about those 2 dropped frames. Macrumors is not by any stretch the majority of iOS users, but the vast vast vast vast minority

It works both ways.
No my friend, the issue here is not that Apple has failed to deliver an update they promised. More serious is the fact that the minority trying to raise a question is continuously shunned by people like you.

Couple days ago, Philips dropped 3rd party lights support for it Hue product. (https://home-assistant.io/blog/2015/12/12/philips-hue-blocks-3rd-party-bulbs/)

People on a "minority" community called Hacker News were appalled and asked "How can they do that ?".

A major company can always try. The only difference is if it gets called out enough, by people vocal and passionate enough that are willing to do it. But the sad part is that most of the time the minority gets shut down by others, who don't like this uncomfortable opinions. Isn't it better that we let the company be of judge if the protest is valid ?

In case of Philips, the community was loud enough, so they reversed the decision (http://www.developers.meethue.com/content/friends-hue-program-update).

I'd like to see the same happening with Apple. The bigger the company, the greater the responsibility. So don't just blindly think of yourself, but let people talk instead.
 

Appledict

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Mini retina.
Stutters as on all places like 9.2.
Quite noticeable improvement speed on opening apps.
App switcher animation a hair smoother.
Screen less responsive?

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Biggest improvement on this update on mini retina and 5s is:
Camera now open almost instantly compared to 2-3 second delay on 9.2, and apps open faster.

so what about CC lag on 5S? Still present?
 

stulaw11

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No my friend, the issue here is not that Apple has failed to deliver an update they promised. More serious is the fact that the minority trying to raise a question is continuously shunned by people like you.

Couple days ago, Philips dropped 3rd party lights support for it Hue product. (https://home-assistant.io/blog/2015/12/12/philips-hue-blocks-3rd-party-bulbs/)

People on a "minority" community called Hacker News were appalled and asked "How can they do that ?".

A major company can always try. The only difference is if it gets called out enough, by people vocal and passionate enough that are willing to do it. But the sad part is that most of the time the minority gets shut down by others, who don't like this uncomfortable opinions. Isn't it better that we let the company be of judge if the protest is valid ?

In case of Philips, the community was loud enough, so they reversed the decision (http://www.developers.meethue.com/content/friends-hue-program-update).

I'd like to see the same happening with Apple. The bigger the company, the greater the responsibility. So don't just blindly think of yourself, but let people talk instead.

There was ANECDOTAL evidence that there was no issue with compatibility; just a bad business decision not to support a product. Totally different here; not even close to the same issue. No one has shown 1/100th second of lag/stutter harms anyone or that anyone should expect a 100% no flaw fluid OS; or that sales have even taken a 1/10,000th hit because of this. Apple NEVER promised such, otherwise post such promise.

Better yet name a consumer product or OS that is 100% perfect without a single flaw. None!

If lag was that easy then EVERYONE would see it. Period. But obviously it is subjective to each person differently.

These threads sadly always get derailed by lag debates. Just sad Mucrumors has become this wasteland that an OS update actual merits/bugs/fixes cannot be discussed.

This will just become another update wiki shut down by mods for lag bickering.
 
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Jayson A

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There was ANECDOTAL evidence that there was no issue with compatibility; just a bad business decision not to support a product. Totally different here; not even close to the same issue. No one has shown 1/100th second of lag/stutter harms anyone or that anyone should expect a 100% no flaw fluid OS; or that sales have even taken a 1/10,000th hit because of this. Apple NEVER promised such, otherwise post such promise.

Better yet name a consumer product or OS that is 100% perfect without a single flaw. None!

If lag was that easy then EVERYONE would see it. Period. But obviously it is subjective to each person differently.

These threads sadly always get derailed by lag debates. Just sad Mucrumors has become this wasteland that an OS update actual merits/bugs/fixes cannot be discussed.

This will just become another update wiki shut down by mods for lag bickering.

If iOS 9 turned out better than iOS 8 in terms of performance like we were promised, then we wouldn't be having these lag discussions. But, in order to have performance even close to iOS 8, you have to upgrade to the newest hardware. So much for metal being faster/smoother.
 

stulaw11

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If iOS 9 turned out better than iOS 8 in terms of performance like we were promised, then we wouldn't be having these lag discussions. But, in order to have performance even close to iOS 8, you have to upgrade to the newest hardware. So much for metal being faster/smoother.

Who said? Who stood there and say you will see a x times/x% improvement of OS smoothness/less lag? Never heard that in the keynote and I've seen every one going back to the original iphone.

"Many of the iOS graphics APIs, including Core Animation and Core Graphics, are now using Metal instead of OpenGL ES on the iOS devices that support Metal. According to Apple this reduces CPU usage, and will improve the overall smoothness of the UI."

"Performance enhancements/increased smoothness" can be anything from a 1% difference up to many times better; and many different aspects of the OS. It's a very (intentionally) general statement with no specific numbers or comparisons stated.

iOS9 is likely not fully done/optimized yet either considering it was moving most things from OpenGL to Metal. It was JUST released publicly 2 months ago, people are quick to forget because there have been so many updates very quickly.

But again this has NOTHING to do with 9.2.1 is the point. There is a lag thread/discussion if you search in the iOS9 section here.
 
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rmadera

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Who said? Who stood there and say you will see a x times/x% improvement of OS smoothness/less lag? Never heard that in the keynote and I've seen every one going back to the original iphone.

"Many of the iOS graphics APIs, including Core Animation and Core Graphics, are now using Metal instead of OpenGL ES on the iOS devices that support Metal. According to Apple this reduces CPU usage, and will improve the overall smoothness of the UI."

"Performance enhancements/increased smoothness" can be anything from a 1% difference up to many times better; and many different aspects of the OS. It's a very (intentionally) general statement with no specific numbers or comparisons stated.

iOS9 is likely not fully done/optimized yet either considering it was moving most things from OpenGL to Metal. It was JUST released publicly 2 months ago, people are quick to forget because there have been so many updates very quickly.

But again this has NOTHING to do with 9.2.1 is the point. There is a lag thread/discussion if you search in the iOS9 section here.
Not really seeing faster scrolling, smoother animations, or better overall performance compared to 8.4.1. And I own an iPhone 6s Plus and iPad Air 2.
 

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nerdriot

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Does anyone notice that when unlocking the phone with TouchID, the screen briefly goes black before loading the home screen?

This is the first time I've noticed it. It doesn't seem like a bug; more intentional. It doesn't bother me, it's just different.
 
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zorinlynx

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Does anyone notice that when unlocking the phone with TouchID, the screen briefly goes black before loading the home screen?

This is the first time I've noticed it. It doesn't seem like a bug; more intentional. It doesn't bother me, it's just different.

Mine does that on iOS 9.2 (release)
 

gwang73

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Does anyone notice that when unlocking the phone with TouchID, the screen briefly goes black before loading the home screen?

This is the first time I've noticed it. It doesn't seem like a bug; more intentional. It doesn't bother me, it's just different.
It's always done that if you have a different wallpaper on the lock screen from the home screen.
 

nerdriot

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Mine does that on iOS 9.2 (release)
That's so strange... I stayed on the 9.2 final beta and never noticed it until this update. That may be why I never noticed.

Thanks for the heads up about it being in the previous version! Guess I wasn't paying attention.
 

nerdriot

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It's always done that if you have a different wallpaper on the lock screen from the home screen.
I actually have the same for both, but they aren't any of the default Apple wallpapers (if that makes a difference?).
 

gwang73

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Shouldn't make any difference. I haven't had the same lock/home wallpaper in forever so Im not sure for that case.

Maybe it's a function of 'Reduce Motion' if that is turned on? Try toggling that on and off and see if that makes any difference.
 

Luis Mazza

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Not really seeing faster scrolling, smoother animations, or better overall performance compared to 8.4.1. And I own an iPhone 6s Plus and iPad Air 2.

I have both and I disagree. Performance has being greatly improved on Air 2. And... Considering 6S Plus never ran iOS 8, this proves you have no competence to evaluate this.
 
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vertsix

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Control Center lag does indeed appear to have been reduced a bit on iPhone 5s!

Maybe it's just a placebo effect, but I don't know. I'll keep observing.
 
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Elisha

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Touch ID didn't recognize my fingerprint. Had to use power button to turn screen off and on and then it worked. Hopefully it's only a one time glitch.
 
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