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Agent2015

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Weird how Windows aero glass ran ok on 9 year old PCs. Haven't the latest iPhone GPU's caught up to their speed yet?
The operative phrase is "ran ok" and nothing more. You really think that those Window users are really enjoying their experience on a 9 year old PC? Please! Just why do they sell millions upon millions of cheap PCs every year? Hardware has to keep up with the software. On other hand my iPhone 5 and iPhone 6 are happily running 9.2 Beta 4. Smooth as Aero glass...er...well let's just say very smoothly!
 

RebornProphet

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Has anyone tried using their nose while doing the above routine to see if they can replicate the "lag" issue? This whole "lag" thing is simply silly! iPhone 6 here. Both 9.2 Beta 3 and Beta 4 have been nice and smooth for me.

Don't forget the most important step, throw your phone in the air and catch it behind your back with one hand while double tapping the home button.

Very important that.
 

sanke1

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Sorry sanke1 but you are just not making sense. I for one like all the UI enhancements including blur. My iPhone 5 and 6 are just fine with all those demanding animations. I say we start an online petition asking that blur not be removed! My efficiency is fantastic by the way.
Actually, even I like blur effects. But I prefer 60fps performance over some snazzy translucency effect which adds nothing apart from asthetic. It also taxes the hardware too much.

Remember Windows Vista? It was the first OS which implemented blur in Aero interface. Most of the PCs at that time started to stutter and drop frames during animations. You know how Vista turned out to be. Then came Windows 7 which had perfect blur code in Pro & Ultimate versions. Microsoft even went to the extent of disabling blur on Windows 7 Basic edition PCs which had entry level hardware. Windows 8,8.1 dropped blur completely and Microsoft boasted how 8,8.1 ran faster and smoother on old hardware and it did. Now, blur is again making a comeback in Windows 10 but in limited form, start menu and taskbar.

If Apple can't get their blur code/technique right, they must drop it in favor of something else. Plain material background.

If we enable Reduce Transparency in iOS settings, the dock becomes an ugly eye sore. Why can't they leave it completely transparent? No grey background, just the icons and we can see our full wallpaper around them? The performance gain would tremendous. I would keep reduce transparency setting on forever.

So blur is the culprit. Love it but can do without it.

I hope this makes sense to you.
 
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RebornProphet

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iPhone 5 - no stutters in CC


iPhone 5S stutters


Thanks to Apple for gimping our devices, no wonder you need "desktop class hardware" now.

And has been pointed out a hundred times, iPhone 5 uses OpenGL and the 5s uses Metal. The OS is
iPhone 5 - no stutters in CC


iPhone 5S stutters


Thanks to Apple for gimping our devices, no wonder you need "desktop class hardware" now.

Instead of moaning here, why don't you send a report or two via the Feedback app?

Although try and be a little less childish in what you write if you do. I don't think your report will get much attention if you rant about "gimping devices" and "planned obsolescence".
 
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RebornProphet

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Actually, even I like blur effects. But I prefer 60fps performance over some snazzy translucency effect which adds nothing apart from asthetic. It also taxes the hardware too much.

Remember Windows Vista? It was the first OS which implemented blur in Aero interface. Most of the PCs at that time started to stutter and drop frames during animations. You know how Vista turned out to be. Then came Windows 7 which had perfect blur code in Pro & Ultimate versions. Microsoft even went to the extent of disabling blur on Windows 7 Basic edition PCs which had entry level hardware. Windows 8,8.1 dropped blur completely and Microsoft boasted how 8,8.1 ran faster and smoother on old hardware and it did. Now, blur is again making a comeback in Windows 10 but in limited form, start menu and taskbar.

If Apple can't get their blur code/technique right, they must drop it in favor of something else. Plain material background.

If we enable Reduce Transparency in iOS settings, the dock becomes an ugly eye sore. Why can't they leave it completely transparent? No grey background, just the icons and we can see our full wallpaper around them? The performance gain would tremendous. I would keep reduce transparency setting on forever.

So blur is the culprit. Love it but can do without it.

I hope this makes sense to you.

The thing with that is that Apple can't win, because it they followed Microsoft's example and disabled all blur effects on lower end devices you'd have people complaining that Apple are stripping their phone or tablet of effects.

Thankfully those who don't want them can turn them on or off if they wish (although I'm not sure if devices like the 4s and iPad 2 have any blur effects?).
 

RebornProphet

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I just flipped between Reduce Transparency on and off and played around with my iPhone ... no difference on the main and most noticeable animations (zoom in/out when opening and closing apps, rotation, etc).
 
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Chocolatemilty

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Wow, a lot of folks are having animation issues. On my iPhone 6, I'm noticing some in only the Messages and Twitter apps. It's kinda weird, it'll completely drop all animations unless I kill the apps in the app switcher. That's pretty much all I've seen, however. Everything else has been solid.
 

asv56kx3088

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I'm getting really poor battery life on PB4 after a day of moderate usage.
iPhone 6 Plus, now at 26% with only 5 hr 15m of usage time.
Anyone?
 

gewawd

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Anyone know why Apple has had so many stutter issues with iOS 9? Even on the latest hardware?

I remember that especially prior to iOS 7, there were NEVER such issues in iOS. I have an ancient iPod touch in my car running iOS 5 and it's smooth as BUTTER. I haven't seen that sort of smoothness since iOS 6, it feels like everything iOS 7 and later has had performance problems.

It's as if Apple decided to stop caring about smoothness in the UI.

It's because prior iOS 7, transparency was not implemented in the UI. And 2 major updates since iOS 7, Apple still cannot figure out Gassian Blur for the love of God.

If you wish to truly achieve smooth and non-stuttery animations, you may go to Settings > Accessibility > Increase Contrast > then enable Reduce Transparency. Though, users should not resort to this fixes in order for their devices to properly "just work".
 

Sumter

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I'm getting really poor battery life on PB4 after a day of moderate usage.
iPhone 6 Plus, now at 26% with only 5 hr 15m of usage time.
Anyone?

6+ here, things are fine. I've started keeping track of the battery usage/standby time per -0% basis, right after I updated and charged to 100%.

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Currently at 45% with 6 hr usage, 11hr 12min standby. I have brightness around 30~50% and I didn't take pctures of top % cause that's too many pictures, but they're mostly messenger app, video streaming and browsing. I have background app refresh completely off. I did not do anything that would make apps run in the background counting as usage, like listening to music.
 

GreyOS

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The operative phrase is "ran ok" and nothing more. You really think that those Window users are really enjoying their experience on a 9 year old PC? Please! Just why do they sell millions upon millions of cheap PCs every year? Hardware has to keep up with the software. On other hand my iPhone 5 and iPhone 6 are happily running 9.2 Beta 4. Smooth as Aero glass...er...well let's just say very smoothly!
Im talking abut when aero came out 9 years ago
 

ad931

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He showed up long ago as the very first post aside from the very top wiki thread starting post. And sure enough he already was talking about lag. Just like in every thread that mentions iOS. Or the number 9 or what someone ate for breakfast.

I swear 98% of all his posts ever on this site are whines about "lag". It's really borderline childish at this point to go on for so long, over and over. Haha.

couldn't agree more. i'm willing to accept that i definitely don't have the "stutter" & that others do, but it is getting very tiring. surely there are other things we could discuss about the beta's?
 

thed0g

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We need even more discussions about worsening the UI performance, so that it gets into mainstream media. They managed to destroy the whole premise of what iOS had compared to the rival OS and they never hesitated to mock them about it.

1) Blur effect didn't change nor does it look different.
2) Older hardware like the iPhone 5 can draw the blur just fine (no support for Metal).
3) 64 bit devices stutter with blur and in other UI elements (have support for Metal.
4) iOS 9 uses Metal throughout system apps as advertised on WWDC and Apple website compared to iOS 8, which didn't use Metal.

You don't have to be a ****ing rocket scientist to come to a conclusion.

Here's another test if you want stutters: open a video in YouTube app, then drag the video to bottom right as if you want to make it smaller. Stutter **** fest, compared to iOS 8.
 
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Radon87000

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We need even more discussions about worsening the UI performance, so that it gets into mainstream media. They managed to destroy the whole premise of what iOS had compared to the rival OS and they never hesitated to mock them about it.

1) Blur effect didn't change nor does it look different.
2) Older hardware like the iPhone 5 can draw the blur just fine (no support for Metal).
3) 64 bit devices stutter with blur and in other UI elements (have support for Metal.
4) iOS 9 uses Metal throughout system apps as advertised on WWDC and Apple website compared to iOS 8, which didn't use Metal.

You don't have to be a ****ing rocket scientist to come to a conclusion.

Here's another test if you want stutters: open a video in YouTube app, then drag the video to bottom right as if you want to make it smaller. Stutter **** fest, compared to iOS 8.
Stop talking about lag.Its forbidden here :)
 

GreyOS

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Which computer did you have that ran Aero well 9 years ago when it came out?
can't remember mate. but 7-8 years ago i got a fairly high end CPU (Q9550) and apparently its geekbench mark is 1650 which seems to be around the score of the iPhone A8. I know it's more about the GPU but i can't remember what i had to compare and i'm just trying to get a rough idea of what era of desktop systems iphones are now approximating. what do you reckon?
 
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syphern

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i used my friends Nexus 5x with marshmallow oh man i got so jealous! That thing flies, no stutters or slow downs i even opened like 20 apps and tried to crash it but nope. Well done google but due to your privacy crap i wont be going there any more!
 
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GreyOS

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i used my friends Nexus 5x with marshmallow oh man i got so jealous! That thing flies, no stutters or slow downs i even opened like 20 apps and tried to crash it but nope. Well done google but due to your privacy crap i wont be going there any more!
yeah friend of mine got a 5x too. it has some of its own issues but you're right, it felt very smooth, even though it's slightly dated hardware
 

Act3

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Devices weren't as good in 8.0 or 8.1 days when compared to 8.3 or 8.4. So we'd likely need to wait until the latter versions of iOS 9 to really make they call.

My air 2 seemed just as good from the day I got it with 8.1 throughout 8.4.1... 9 and above has introduced minor issues/annoyances with it.
 

Luis Mazza

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Yup blur destroys performance in iOS .Just turn reduce transparency and motion on and even on new devices those things fly with no lag and the moment you turn it off it's back to stuttersville

This is very true. Probably the flat out easiest way to point out lag and stutter to someone who might not see it. Turn on Reduce Transparency (Settings > General > Accessibility > Increase Contrast) and use the phone or iPad as you normally would for a little while (multitasking, Spotlight, Control Center, etc.). Now turn RT off and do those same things. There is a HUGE difference.

Turn on reduce transparency for you both and leave us alone. No need to change iOS for worse to please two people.
 
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