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stooovie

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*sigh* Look, I'm annoyed as anyone when people complain about things not running smoothly in betas, but honestly. 5 dev betas and 3 public betas later, and iOS 9 does not run well on an A5 device. I may be completely wrong, but I highly doubt it will magically stop dropping frames with every animation before the GM. Trust me, I want to be wrong. I just don't see it happening.

Yes, it won't happen.
 

Am3r1ca16

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Is the shuffle All on top of the music app new?
Can someone confirm? Seems like it to me.
 

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Are you sure, that's never happened before and I've been running every beta of iOS 9 and plug in my headphones daily. I'm referring to the auto-powering of the screen when you plug in your headphones, not the Music icon showing when you plug in the headphone. I'm almost definitely sure the screen powering on connection is new to Beta 5.
Fairly certain I've come across people making a similar observation in the beta fixes/changes threads at least for the past few iOS 9 betas.
 

pmostoff

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As unfortunate as it is, old hardware can't always handle new software. It sucks that for some people iOS 9 still isn't giving any improvements. As for my personal experience, I've had an gen 1 iPad Mini since it came out. I've always loved it but it progressively got slower as I updated and used it. It got to the point that it was hardly useable on iOS 8.x. It would struggle to even open Safari and switch tabs, it would lag when bringing up the keyboard. Now, for me personally anyway, the iOS 9 beta, since maybe about beta 3, has breathed new life into my Mini. It actually feels like a useable device now and I feel like I can trust it enough to do more on it than just read books and articles. So essentially, as much as it sucks, user experience may vary. Unfortunately we can't really expect four year old hardware to run brand new software perfectly.
 
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LewisChapman

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*sigh* Look, I'm annoyed as anyone when people complain about things not running smoothly in betas, but honestly. 5 dev betas and 3 public betas later, and iOS 9 does not run well on an A5 device. I may be completely wrong, but I highly doubt it will magically stop dropping frames with every animation before the GM. Trust me, I want to be wrong. I just don't see it happening.

Just based on experience with previous betas, the performance in regards to frame rates and animation times only really gets adjusted in the very last betas.

Its the big features and the big bugs they cause that tend to get focused on first. It's like cleaning a car and then polishing it - if you were to try polishing before cleaning you'd have to go back over it anyway and you'd make a fair bit of mess.

My opinion anyway - keep faith ;).
 
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batting1000

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Are you sure, that's never happened before and I've been running every beta of iOS 9 and plug in my headphones daily. I'm referring to the auto-powering of the screen when you plug in your headphones, not the Music icon showing when you plug in the headphone. I'm almost definitely sure the screen powering on connection is new to Beta 5.

Oh, didn't see that in your post. That sounds new
 

Bbqthis

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Just based on experience with previous betas, the performance in regards to frame rates and animation times is only really gets adjusted in the very last betas.

Its the big features and the big bugs they cause that tend to get focused on first. It's like cleaning a car and then polishing it - if you were to try polishing before cleaning you'd have to go back over it anyway and you'd make a fair bit of mess.

My opinion anyway - keep faith ;).
Oh trust me, I won't officially declare it until it's out, but there are still features missing for A5 devices. Notes app missing a ton of things, no public transportation directions, only one of the "search" menus (honestly how it should be), and more. I understand that certain features just aren't supported by the hardware, but I refuse to believe that any of the ones I listed are affected.
 

lagwagon

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Is the shuffle All on top of the music app new?
Can someone confirm? Seems like it to me.

Yep new to this build and FINALLY!

I've been submitting feedback on a shuffle for ALL music since the first 8.4 beta (when music got its redesign)

Until now the only way to shuffle absolutely ALL music was to switch to song view, tap on a song and then enable shuffle in the full screen player, or make a playlist containing everything and shuffle that playlist.

Now it's easier with the shuffle right at the top of ALL your music.
 
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Nikhil72

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Was laggy after my initial update on my 6+ but a hard reboot seems to have done wonders and it's smooth again. Even music seems smoother
 

dbrose

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All you lucky people in the US with wifi calling. My carrier (Rogers) here in Canada "claimed" they were going to add it back when iOS 8.0 came out. Well...here we are with iOS 9 around the corner and they still haven't added it. /sigh
What about us on EE in the UK. We have it aswell!!!

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LewisChapman

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Oh trust me, I won't officially declare it until it's out, but there are still features missing for A5 devices. Notes app missing a ton of things, no public transportation directions, only one of the "search" menus (honestly how it should be), and more. I understand that certain features just aren't supported by the hardware, but I refuse to believe that any of the ones I listed are affected.

I wasn't aware of said missing features for the A5 devices. How very disappointing that Apple is still playing it's forced upgrade game even with the current heft of their wallet and their ever-increasing range of devices.

Definitely agree with you that those missing features have no relevance to hardware capability.
 

lagwagon

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I wasn't aware of said missing features for the A5 devices. How very disappointing that Apple is still playing it's forced upgrade game even with the current heft of their wallet and their ever-increasing range of devices.

Definitely agree with you that those missing features have no relevance to hardware capability.

It's not a force upgrade game. As with anything in life, old hardware will always mean not the latest features. That's like complaining records aren't as easy to play as cds or digital copies.
 

Bbqthis

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It's not a force upgrade game. As with anything in life, old hardware will always mean not the latest features. That's like complaining records aren't as easy to play as cds or digital copies.
Problem is Apple made no indication that any of those features would be excluded from A5's. They usually make it clear when that happens, like when Siri was a 4s exclusive.
 

MrGimper

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Just based on experience with previous betas, the performance in regards to frame rates and animation times only really gets adjusted in the very last betas.

Its the big features and the big bugs they cause that tend to get focused on first. It's like cleaning a car and then polishing it - if you were to try polishing before cleaning you'd have to go back over it anyway and you'd make a fair bit of mess.

My opinion anyway - keep faith ;).

Just wait until the last beta when they disable all the extensive debugging routines and everything is as smooth as a pornstar's noonie.
 

nordique

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*sigh* Look, I'm annoyed as anyone when people complain about things not running smoothly in betas, but honestly. 5 dev betas and 3 public betas later, and iOS 9 does not run well on an A5 device. I may be completely wrong, but I highly doubt it will magically stop dropping frames with every animation before the GM. Trust me, I want to be wrong. I just don't see it happening.


I think there are variable experiences for users. For example, I found the beta 1 (dev beta 1, not PB1) to be absolutely unusable on the 5s. It was beyond laggy and terrible animation speed. Very unresponsive. Reminded me of the iPhone 4 on the original iOS 7 installations lol.

My current experience on the PB3 on my 5s is great, its the smoothest its been in a long time easily the smoothest on iOS 9 betas. I have no lag, no dropped frames, multitasking is very responsive and fast, and my notification centre and control centre appear very responsive.

However you can read through this thread that others on a 5s have not had the same experience, in fact theirs has been disappointing at best, reporting laggy frames and stuttering or non-responsiveness

Myself and another user on here found 4s to be very solid on PB3. Its the best my 4s has run since 7.1.2, which I had on the device up until only a month or so ago. I've had various iOS 8 versions on another 4s, and experienced 8.4 on my 4s which now has PB3 on it, but my experience overall with iOS 8 on the 4s has been abysmal. Clean installs, hard resets, a lot of time spent on various techniques and such....didn't fix anything, its been a terrible experience for me.

However, a good friend of mine loves his 4s on 8.4. He's had a solid experience with iOS 8 from 8.1 onwards. Today he put the PB3 on and he's been texting me nothing but bad stuff all day haha. I've seen his iPhone with iOS 8 at various times throughout the past year and it was a smoother than my experience with it. His battery drainage, how stuttery its been for him, etc... has been the opposite of my 4s iOS 9 beta experience.

Point is there will be people who experience both sides. I am not sure why exactly, but what is a smooth experience for me can be dismal for another user on the same device, and vice versa.

I wouldn't be so quick to write it off until iOS 9 is actually released, But its unfortunate you're having the problems you are, and understandable why you're frustrated....hopefully it improves by the time the GM comes out.
 

batting1000

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That was one example. When slo-mo video was released, it was made clear it was a 5s exclusive.

Again, another fairly major feature. There's too many minor things in iOS 9 for Apple to go create a a chart with what is supported on which devices. There's a thread at the top of the forum with all of that info. What difference does it make if Apple says it or a forum user says it?
 

skwood

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Proactive music in the lock screen now suggests either your latest addition or most recently played rather than the first song alphabetically for me. Can someone confirm? It was bugging me that it defaulted to all songs in alphabetical order.

EDIT: Also in the app switcher as a handoff "from audio connection" - may not be new but I haven't seen that before
 

LewisChapman

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It's not a force upgrade game. As with anything in life, old hardware will always mean not the latest features. That's like complaining records aren't as easy to play as cds or digital copies.

Usually I would agree with you for features such as Siri where the noise isolating microphone was not present on the 3Gs or TouchID where the fingerprint reader was not present on the iPhone 5 however the features in discussion here have no need for new hardware to exist.

Also I'm not sure whether your analogy will ever be relevant.
 
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