iOS 9 problems = considering Android?

[Max(IT)]

Inherently insecure how?

It's made by Google, it was exploited in a great number of ways, it's partially open source and less "sandboxed" than iOS or Windows mobile....

The Apple 's walled garden isn't inviolable, as recent expolits demonstrated, but surely is much more secure than Android.

 

[SpiralS]

Thanks guys for the replies. I have now made my final decision and will be picking up a iPhone 6s+ 64GB early Jan. I do own an ipad mini although its an old one and have some knowledge on how iOS works. I will be looking forward to my purchase and have my fingers crossed that I am part of the masses that gets a great unit out of the box.

This was a pretty good thread to read as all replies and responses was great. Thanks for the input and who knows iOS 10 might be a big upgrade and we might get some useful upgrades to the OS thats on a lot of peoples wish lists.

If I dont like it after the 2 years I can always go back.

You all must have a great Christmas.

 

[Michael Goff]

It's made by Google, it was exploited in a great number of ways, it's partially open source and less "sandboxed" than iOS or Windows mobile....

The Apple 's walled garden isn't inviolable, as recent expolits demonstrated, but surely is much more secure than Android.

Made by Google? Irrelevant to security
Exploited in a great number of ways? And yet very few in the wild. Unless you're talking about malware you get from outside the Play Store.
Open Source? Not a security issue.
Less sandboxed? That's an actual security concern, but this is the first time I've read that.

 

[Blaze4G]

People views are stuck in the past, particularly iOS users. We are in 2015, almost 2016...please take your mind out of 2009 please.

Security - Google now releases monthly security updates for all phones and tablets running on kit kat and up. Samsung and lg also does the same.

Lag - Android has caught up in this area, both iOS and Android offers relatively the same user experience when it comes to smoothness. Some manufacturers on Android side do offer better experiences than some though.

Build quality - iPhones build quality is great, however Samsung, htc, Sony, nexus 6p are all up there in build quality too.

Updates - Google updates all its core apps through the playstore. For all iPhone users who uses updates as a negative against Android. You have a CHOICE. Want quick updates, get a nexus. It is pretty simple.

Now bearing this in mind, what advantage does iPhones really offer over flagship androids?

I can think of only 2 things, which may or may not be a big deal to you.
1. Great customer service, better than every other phone manufacturer. Walking into a store for a replacement is nice. Google customer service in my experience has been good (they send a new phone overnight shipping). I still prefer the idea of walking into a store for a replacement.

2. Battery life (6s plus) - the best battery life excluding Sony xperias which are on par or close to imo. But in general battery efficiency on iPhones are great for the size battery. However my personal opinion is iPhones advantage of great battery life is not such a big factor since it lacks quick charging. If it had quick charging then it would be a big advantage.

Honestly, I can't think of what other advantage there is.

With Androids I can name quite a few. Although not all advantages in my list for Android may not fit into being an advantage for you.

 

[billy the fish]

If we're talking milliseconds than the "superior" design video and camera of the s6 is only marginal at best.

So if You admit the design, screen, camera and video of the s6 are better, how does the 6s end up much better ?

 

[syphern]

LOL, really? I want that pharmacy subscription too.

It's prescription not subscription.

 

[John Mcgregor]

It's prescription not subscription.

No, do get to that level you need subscription.

 

[Max(IT)]

Made by Google? Irrelevant to security
Exploited in a great number of ways? And yet very few in the wild. Unless you're talking about malware you get from outside the Play Store.
Open Source? Not a security issue.
Less sandboxed? That's an actual security concern, but this is the first time I've read that.

Irrelevant? Google couldn't care less about your security as long as they can have your data...
There is plenty of malware for android, and side load apps aren't so uncommon there ...
Being open source is easier to exploit for every hacker.

iOS is far from being perfect, but surely Android is far from being acceptable in my opinion.

 

[nj1266]

Don't care about biased reviewers.The A9 completes tasks some milliseconds faster than the the Exynos inside the S6.While the S6 has a 2K AMOLED screen already noted to be the best display on the market even by Anandtech compared to the 720P of the iPhone.So which would enhance the user experience more?

Anandtech also gave a Gold Award to HTC M7. Were they Android biased then? Now they are Apple biased. In a span of two years no less.

 

[Blaze4G]

If we're talking milliseconds than the "superior" design video and camera of the s6 is only marginal at best.

Irrelevant? Google couldn't care less about your security as long as they can have your data...
There is plenty of malware for android, and side load apps aren't so uncommon there ...
Being open source is easier to exploit for every hacker.

iOS is far from being perfect, but surely Android is far from being acceptable in my opinion.

Anandtech also gave a Gold Award to HTC M7. Were they Android biased then? Now they are Apple biased. In a span of two years no less.

I am curious and want to hear your opinions. If you could has iOS on any device (s6, note 5, 6p etc)...which phone would you choose? Would it still be an iPhone or one of the others? Whichever your choice is, could you state your reason?

 

[Michael Goff]

Irrelevant? Google couldn't care less about your security as long as they can have your data...
There is plenty of malware for android, and side load apps aren't so uncommon there ...
Being open source is easier to exploit for every hacker.

iOS is far from being perfect, but surely Android is far from being acceptable in my opinion.

Google doesn't care about security? Is that why they are one of the few companies that pay bug bounties? Is that why they have one of the most secure browsers on Windows?

 

[Radon87000]

Google doesn't care about security? Is that why they are one of the few companies that pay bug bounties? Is that why they have one of the most secure browsers on Windows?

He is probably talking about the Android security issue in general.There are still hundreds of millions of Android devices having the Heartbleed vulnerability and still aren't fixed.Android is a security nightmare when it comes to vulnerabilities.Those Monthly updates sound good in theory but many devices don't even get them regularly rendering them useless.
Of course Nexus does not have any of these issues

Anandtech also gave a Gold Award to HTC M7. Were they Android biased then? Now they are Apple biased. In a span of two years no less.

They hardly gave an explanation for why it deserves the award.They simply said everything was great and gave it to them when many devices like the Nexus 6P,Xperia Z5 also have all of those qualities they praised the iPhone for.The review reeks of bias.

Irrelevant? Google couldn't care less about your security as long as they can have your data...
There is plenty of malware for android, and side load apps aren't so uncommon there ...
Being open source is easier to exploit for every hacker.

iOS is far from being perfect, but surely Android is far from being acceptable in my opinion.

Google does care about security.Its why they introduced Play Services API in Android which resolves vulnerabilities on a weekly basis.its not possible for them to resolve the fragmentation issue as that is built into Android's foundation.Any initiative they launch gets hamstrung by carriers or manufacturers.
If you want to enjoy a real Google Android,just get a Nexus.Matches the iPhone in every way possible.The Play Store doesn't have malware.Its people who side load APKs who get it.And these guys deserve it because Android specifically warns you that unverified apps are dangerous when you enable the side loading feature

 

[Michael Goff]

He is probably talking about the Android security issue in general.There are still hundreds of millions of Android devices having the Heartbleed vulnerability and still aren't fixed.Android is a security nightmare when it comes to vulnerabilities.Those Monthly updates sound good in theory but many devices don't even get them regularly rendering them useless.
Of course Nexus does not have any of these issues


They hardly gave an explanation for why it deserves the award.They simply said everything was great and gave it to them when many devices like the Nexus 6P,Xperia Z5 also have all of those qualities they praised the iPhone for.The review reeks of bias.

Google does care about security.Its why they introduced Play Services API in Android which resolves vulnerabilities on a weekly basis.its not possible for them to resolve the fragmentation issue as that is built into Android's foundation.Any initiative they launch gets hamstrung by carriers or manufacturers.
If you want to enjoy a real Google Android,just get a Nexus.Matches the iPhone in every way possible.The Play Store doesn't have malware.Its people who side load APKs who get it.And these guys deserve it because Android specifically warns you that unverified apps are dangerous when you enable the side loading feature

If he wants to talk about the crap OEM/Carrier issue, we can agree. I like what iOS has, what Microsoft looks like they're finally getting to, and the Nexus experience. But he's saying this problem is because Google doesn't care about security. They do, even if they screwed themselves earlier on when they allowed everyone else to be able to stop their updates.

I encourage everyone to get a Nexus, and maybe in the future a Pixel Phone if they come out with one of with their own processor, if they want an Android device. Or get something with Cyanogen/Oxygen on it.

 

[Blaze4G]

If he wants to talk about the crap OEM/Carrier issue, we can agree. I like what iOS has, what Microsoft looks like they're finally getting to, and the Nexus experience. But he's saying this problem is because Google doesn't care about security. They do, even if they screwed themselves earlier on when they allowed everyone else to be able to stop their updates.

I encourage everyone to get a Nexus, and maybe in the future a Pixel Phone if they come out with one of with their own processor, if they want an Android device. Or get something with Cyanogen/Oxygen on it.

Thinking about it, I can just imagine how awesome a pixel phone would be. I wonder if they would go for a boxy shape like their tablet and laptop. My only problem would be the price. If past pixel devices are to be used to guage the price, the pixel phone will be at least 650.

 

[Michael Goff]

Thinking about it, I can just imagine how awesome a pixel phone would be. I wonder if they would go for a boxy shape like their tablet and laptop. My only problem would be the price. If past pixel devices are to be used to guage the price, the pixel phone will be at least 650.

But it would be worth the cost. You would be getting what might easily be Google's real answer to the iPhone.

 

[Blaze4G]

But it would be worth the cost. You would be getting what might easily be Google's real answer to the iPhone.

Well that is true. However in my opinion I don't like the idea of spending over $500 on a phone. Heck, I think $500 is still pushing it. Then again, I have never seen a phone that "wowed me" to make me say I have to get it no matter the price. Maybe the Pixel Phone could do that.

 

[Max(IT)]

I am curious and want to hear your opinions. If you could has iOS on any device (s6, note 5, 6p etc)...which phone would you choose? Would it still be an iPhone or one of the others? Whichever your choice is, could you state your reason?

Very interesting question.
In that case the iPhone would still be my choice because of some factors:
Build quality, unmatched.
Customer service, another league.
Ax architecture, simply the best in the mobile.

But I would take a look at Sony. I still think their Z3/Z4 mini line is the best in the android panorama. A pity they are lazy regarding updates.

Google doesn't care about security? Is that why they are one of the few companies that pay bug bounties? Is that why they have one of the most secure browsers on Windows?

They are not caring in a figurative way.
The basic concept behind Android, and the openness of the system, the great liberty OEMs have, the fragmentation Google has allowed over the time ..... it's a security nightmare and it brings to a poor user experience.
Android is just a "mean" for Google. Their core business is elsewhere, in the account of customers buying an android device.
I agree the only acceptable (barely) way to use it is the Nexus way (I owned a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 devices, both sub par products compared to Apple but cheap and thus acceptable).

 

[nj1266]

They hardly gave an explanation for why it deserves the award.They simply said everything was great and gave it to them when many devices like the Nexus 6P,Xperia Z5 also have all of those qualities they praised the iPhone for.The review reeks of bias.

Last time I checked the Xperia does not have 3D Touch nor does the Nexus 6P. This has the potential to change how people interact with their phones. Nor do the 6P or the Xperia score any advances in chip design like the A9 does. Here is a dual core chip destroying Octacore chips in almost every benchmark while giving longer battery performance from a smaller battery.

The same advancement was seen in the HTC M7. That was the first Android phone to make a design breakthrough. It beat Apple at its own game. And it used a very light Sense overlay that made the phone a pleasure to use.

In both cases the awards were well deserved. If you accuse Anandtech of IPhone 6s bias, then you MUST say the same for their HTC M7 bias because both devices got the Gold Award. However, you do not say that.

 

[Max(IT)]

Last time I checked the Xperia does not have 3D Touch nor does the Nexus 6P. This has the potential to change how people interact with their phones. Nor do the 6P or the Xperia score any advances in chip design like the A9 does. Here is a dual core chip destroying Octacore chips in almost every benchmark while giving longer battery performance from a smaller battery.

The same advancement was seen in the HTC M7. That was the first Android phone to make a design breakthrough. It beat Apple at its own game. And it used a very light Sense overlay that made the phone a pleasure to use.

In both cases the awards were well deserved. If you accuse Anandtech of IPhone 6s bias, then you MUST say the same for their HTC M7 bias because both devices got the Gold Award. However, you do not say that.

You can bet you'll see a 3Dtouch implementation in one of the next Samesung product in a shot time

 

[Radon87000]

You can bet you'll see a 3Dtouch implementation in one of the next Samesung product in a shot time

Huawei already did it before both

 

[Max(IT)]

Huawei already did it before both

Sure, and a lot of people gave it attention .... err, not.

 

[nj1266]

Huawei already did it before both

What phone model is that? I would like to buy one?

 

[billy the fish]

Sure, and a lot of people gave it attention .... err, not.

You saying that it's OK for Apple to shamelessly steal someone's ideas and market them as their own as long as the original design isn't well known.. so most folk don't realise they are IP Thief's. . Good call.. but then you mock samsung and call them pathetic little names at the same ttime., boy you are just one big bowl of hyprocacy now aintcha. .

 

[Radon87000]

Sure, and a lot of people gave it attention .... err, not.

Irrelevant.Point is it was done before Apple and a Chinese phone at that.Even Samsung's possible implementation won't attract attention until the feature is baked into the OS itself

What phone model is that? I would like to buy one?

The Mate S

 

[Radon87000]

You saying that it's OK for Apple to shamelessly steal someone's ideas and market them as their own as long as the original design isn't well known.. so most folk don't realise they are IP Thief's. . Good call.. but then you mock samsung and call them pathetic little names at the same ttime., boy you are just one big bowl of hyprocacy now aintcha. .

Exactly.What Apple is good at is not inventing things but rather copying a novel idea from someone and making it mainstream.Just like how they recently ripped off the Surface Pro with iPad Pro